This morning, I stumbled upon an ASTOUNDING report from the American Medical Association (AMA), one which specifically addresses the topic of abortion. YOU NEED TO READ THE FOLLOWING EXCERPT (their assessment of where abortion providers fit into the broader medical community):

 

[These are] men who cling to a noble profession only to dishonor it; men who seek not to save, but to destroy; men known not only to the profession, but to the public as abortionists.. These modern Herods, like their prototype, have a summary mode of dealing with their victims. They perform the triple office of Legislative, Judiciary, and Executive, and, to crown the tragedy, they become the executioners. They seem impatient for the sacrifice.. those innocent and helpless victims are not permitted ever to breathe that vital air which God in His providence has destined for their use in common with the rest of the human family. Their resting-place is rudely invaded, and that which would grow and ripen into manhood is cut off from existence by the hand of an educated assassin. Mark the monster as he approaches his work!... Does any compunction assail his corrupt soul, as he gazes on the field of his labors? Does he measure the extent of the foul deed he is about to commit? Or does he not fear that the uplifted hand of an avenging God will suddenly fall on his guilty head? No; Judas-like, he solaces himself with the prospect of thirty pieces of silver, and this forms the climax of his aspirations!

 

But, as is found in many other cases of murder, there is no extenuating circumstance here that can change or modify the character of his guilt. As in ordinary cases of murder, there is no anger to prompt him to the deed, no wrongs to be avenged, no jealousies to be appeased. These he cannot point to as extenuating circumstances, and it matters not at what stage of development his victim may have arrived .. it matters not how small or how apparently insignificant it may be .. it is a murder, a foul, unprovoked murder; and its blood, like the blood of Abel, will cry from earth to Heaven for vengeance.

 

We have no foreign enemy to contend with, but we have a domestic enemy, and that enemy is in our midst; it surrounds us; yes, we have an unprincipled, an insidious, an unmitigated foe to deal with, an enemy to the human family, as dark and as malignant as the spirit that sent it, and it now becomes us to do our part faithfully towards God in this matter, to crush the monster, and to place the profession right before the public. For it is at this late date.. a doubtful question whether or not the profession of medicine, with all its boasted intelligence, with all the aids and appliances which science and art can bestow .. it is doubtful, with such a disgusting caudal appendage as the abortionist attached to it, whether that profession is an advantage or a disadvantage, whether it is a blessing or a curse, to the human family... The abortionists are more destructive to human life than ten [foreign] armies.

 

"Report on Criminal Abortion," Transactions of the American Medical Association 22 (1871) 240-257.

 

1871. That was the date of the AMA report. How things change... and don't change. Almost 140 years later, abortion remains, but the AMA's opposition to it has totally vanished. Here's their official position today:

 

The Principles of Medical Ethics of the AMA do not prohibit a physician from performing an abortion in accordance with good medical practice and under circumstances that do not violate the law. (III, IV)

 

What happened?! How did the AMA go from issuing what is probably the most fiery, anti-abortion statement I've ever read to supporting any and all forms of "legal" abortion? Did new scientific evidence demonstrate that human embryos and fetuses are not actually alive (something the AMA unequivically stated in 1871)? No, as William Brennan notes, in his book Medical Holocaust (where I was introduced to the AMA report), "The whole issue of when human life begins and whether life in the womb is really human even early in gestation had been scientifically answered by the mid 1850s." All science has done since, is show us more and more clearly that these are living human beings, at every stage of development. The only change has been a moral one. God is no longer a part AMA thinking and human life no longer has any intrinsic value. Those are steps backwards, not forwards. Still, while doctors have long known that abortion kills a living human being, the populace is not so well informed. A couple days ago, I got the following email:

 

You people are sick. You use your anti-abortion propaganda to mislead women who are already having a difficult time. They are not human beings, they are TISSUE. Embryos, not babies. I hope you rot in hell for putting yourselves above others who are merely making an informed medical decision.

 

Clearly, anyone who thinks abortion is just about "tissue" is not making an "informed medical decision". For that reason, we will continue to do all we can to eliminate the massive amount of abortion ignorance that exists across the country, all the while praying that people will have their eyes opened to more than just the science of the matter...

 

For more on the history of abortion in the U.S., click here

 

Michael Spielman

What a load of self righteous bollocks.

" it is a murder, a foul, unprovoked murder; and its blood, like the blood of Abel, will cry from earth to Heaven for vengeance." - Thats deep. Actually that whole article was pretty heavy.:(

 

I know a 16 yr old girl who had an abortion. I can't really say anything negative to her about it although I disagree with it completely.

What a load of self righteous bollocks.

 

Were all guilty of "self righteous bollocks" why do you act different?

what do you think we should do nick, ban abortion?

what do you think we should do nick' date=' ban abortion?[/quote']

 

He has ambitions of becoming a preacher................................ :rolleyes:

erm, not wanting to be completely controversial, but the date attributed to that article is 1871. which means that it isn't the view of the American Medical Association today but a Victorian viewpoint. the world has moved on alot since then and very many things which were accepted as common practice then are no longer common practice and vice versa.

do we still hold the same views on slavery, homosexuality, the rights of women etc, as they held in 1871?

nick might :uhoh:

nick might :uhoh:

 

Yup. In fact, his middle name is "Mediaeval"!!:P

He has ambitions of becoming a preacher................................ :rolleyes:

 

Except im going into neurology.

Yup. In fact' date=' his [i']middle name [/i]is "Mediaeval"!!:P

 

Yes you know us mediaeval dudes, we just love our science.

 

BTW Marky how's that black magic thing working out for you? when will you get your head out of the 11th century and use science?:laugh3:

nick might :uhoh:

 

My interest are with science and medicine.

My interest are with science and medicine.

 

So was Dr. Frankenstein's!!:P

So was Dr. Frankenstein's!!:P

 

You seem to be a huge fan of him. Im guessing he created you?:thinking:

Science and Medicine CHANGE along with the times, scientists disprove theories and discover new things all the time.

Science isn't as concrete as you would think. And before anyone starts, I have studied this topic, and it has made me think a lot about how I view science.

So fit that into this thread wherever you like, just thought I would add it in!

someone didn't answer my question. what do you think we should do about abortion? it will happen, regardless of whether or not it's legal.

My interest are with science and medicine.

 

really? so you support stem cell research as well then?

really? so you support stem cell research as well then?

 

Well if he does, I suggest he works on getting a few more brain cells first!!:rolleyes:

someone didn't answer my question. what do you think we should do about abortion? it will happen' date=' regardless of whether or not it's legal.[/quote']

 

Ive already answered it in my other thread. But ill do it once more. Yes it should be illegal just as it is for me to kill you....or you to kill me.

Well if he does' date=' [/i']I suggest he works on getting a few more brain cells first!!:rolleyes:

 

Can you make a voodoo magic potion for that?:laugh3:

 

Conjure up some "brain gods" for me since that seems to be all you believe in. Ill stick with science and you can keep to your magic and voodoo.

*ehem*

 

 

so if you are for science and medicine.... I suppose that means you are pro-stem cell research?

*ehem*

 

 

so if you are for science and medicine.... I suppose that means you are pro-stem cell research?

 

He is a stem cell!!:P

He is a stem cell!!:P

 

Anything is better then what you are:laugh3:

*ehem*

 

 

so if you are for science and medicine.... I suppose that means you are pro-stem cell research?

 

Adult stem cells are MUCH more promising then embryonic stem cells....so lets go with the more likely choice of adult stem cells. They show much more promise.

 

You make "science" fit your view on reality, i base my reality on facts and science.

 

So bottom line, its better science to worry more about Adult stem cells.

 

"Virtually every human embryologist and every major textbook of Human Embryology states that fertilization marks the beginning of the life of the new individual human being."9 [Emphasis in the original.] Professor Hymie Gordon, chairman of the Mayo Clinic, says that, "By all the criteria of modern molecular biology, life is present from the moment of conception."10 Professor Micheline Matthews-Roth, Harvard University Medical School, states, "It is scientifically correct to say that an individual human life begins at conception."11 Carrie Gordon Earll, Focus on the Family policy expert, writes:

 

Biologically, human life begins at conception … when sperm and egg unite. This new embryonic life is 100 percent human, complete with 46 human chromosomes and his or her own genetic code. As the embryo grows, he begins the journey through all of life's stages: embryo, fetus, infant, toddler, adolescent and adult. To classify any one of these stages as not human discriminates based on age, appearance or location.12 "

So bottom line, its better science to worry more about Adult stem cells, as they are way better then embryotic stem cells. So from a pure scientific standpoint our best thing to use and study is adult cells. You cant win:dozey: