ugadawg5 Posted February 20, 2008 Share Posted February 20, 2008 This is all anyone has to know about Islam. Any religion that doesn't love dogs is suspect. http://www.foxnews.com/printer_friendly_story/0,3566,331528,00.html Iranian Man Sentenced to 4 Months in Jail, 30 Lashes for Walking Dog Wednesday, February 20, 2008 A 70-year-old Iranian man was arrested and sentenced to four months in jail and 30 lashes for walking his dog, Adnkronos.com reported Tuesday. Police caught the man on the street with his dog in Shahr Rey, a suburb of Tehran. Owners of domestic animals are forbidden from taking them on the streets of the city because Islam considers dogs to be impure. An Islamic judge later charged the man for "disturbing the public order,” Adnkronos.com reported. Despite repeated warnings by the police, dog owners continue to defy authorities by taking their dogs outside their homes. Typical punishment for people caught with dogs outside is a fine or the "detention" of their animals in a pound, Adnkronos.com reported. President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad recently provoked debate in Iran about dog ownership when he took possession of four guard dogs, bought in Germany for approximately $161,040 each. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TraceOddity Posted February 20, 2008 Share Posted February 20, 2008 WHile I won't just write off any faith as 'bad' no matter what I disagree with (unless they're eating children,lol) this is sad. I suggest all dog-owners in Iran have a 'dog-walking' day or protest. They'd be cleaning poop of the streets of Tehran for days! I would also suggest that any religeon that would give an old man 30 lashes needs to take a long look at itself. This isn't like your dad punishing you. These can kill you!:cry: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winigwl Posted February 20, 2008 Share Posted February 20, 2008 thats messed up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maldini Posted February 21, 2008 Share Posted February 21, 2008 Islam didn't said that, they are just crazy Persian Shia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RunForTheHills Posted February 21, 2008 Share Posted February 21, 2008 The fact that nowhere in the Islamic religion does it condem walking dogs on a street, the perversity and harshness of such a punishment is down to the powerful corrupt extremists that run the country, and not the religion itself. but it is still very sad that countries like Iran are allowed to enforce such ridiculous and restrictive laws on its citizens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TraceOddity Posted February 21, 2008 Share Posted February 21, 2008 Islam didn't said that, they are just crazy Persian Shia. Exactly. And if you dismiss a whole religeon for the acts of a few, you may as well add Christians and Jews to the list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RunForTheHills Posted February 21, 2008 Share Posted February 21, 2008 Exactly. And if you dismiss a whole religeon for the acts of a few, you may as well add Christians and Jews to the list. Well said. I hate it when people try to spread hate concerning this kind of thing, seeing as there is more than enough hate in this world to reckon with. "This is all anyone has to know about Islam. Any religion that doesn't love dogs is suspect. " And this is exactly the kind of mentality that is preventing the human race from working towards peace, and learning to tolerate different cultures and religions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GazeboflossUK Posted February 21, 2008 Share Posted February 21, 2008 What a terrible article - plus naming this thread 'Islam and dogs' and writing "This is all anyone has to know about Islam" is a joke... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TraceOddity Posted February 21, 2008 Share Posted February 21, 2008 The article itself made me sad to read it, and I don't mind that it's posted. It's one sect in one country, but I do agree it's unfair. I also agree that Catholocism banning birth control is cruel. The one thing all major religions have in common is that they ALL have archaic, unfair or out-of-date practices. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chuck kottke Posted February 21, 2008 Share Posted February 21, 2008 Under the Cover of Darkness.. When religion is hijacked by extremists, it becomes a tool to subvert and control people using fear and punishments for the most trivial of things - things that shouldn't be wrong to do! This is nothing new, and not unique to Iran. The Nazis did this to keep people in line in Germany when they took power, and Stalin did this as well (and one might add Senator Joe McCarthy, a "..good, descent, God-fearing loyal American" to this list of abusers). The Puritans did worse than this during America's early colonial period, and they were a sect of Christianity. It's really a bad strain of thought by those in power in Iran, and had the US and other nations been smart, we would have backed the popular demands to oust the Shaw at an earlier time in history. The result of backing a dictator is often the rise of extremist oppositions. So, the students backed the radical totalitarian groups (using Islam as a cover for legit opposition, much as the Nazis had used Christianity as a cover for their legitimacy), and the extremists gained control, against the real desires of the students, and the general public. Now extremism is extremism, no matter what the label says, as far as I can see - a bunch of powerful absolute rulers, who use fear, intimidation, minders, loyalty testing, and rewards to keep people in line. It isn't the true intent of the religion, but a hijacking of religion by those extremists, that they have done. Hence, finding the least possible excuse for abuse in the religious texts, magnifying that through a warped lens; the result is a whipping for even thinking about stepping out of the party line. In short: It's not about religion, it's about dictators. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chuck kottke Posted February 21, 2008 Share Posted February 21, 2008 bibble Tracie, I have to agree with you about that! If instead of just having absolute rules that use fear to dictate what someone can and cannot due, they should use reasoned arguments based on fair rules in society. Most religions contain a wide and large number of texts, some of which I consider more progressive than others. But also, interpretation has a lot to do with it. The Bible says nothing about birth control as far as I can recall, and I have read it (both the old and the new testaments). It's often allegorical and poetic, much of it simply a morality play, and much of it I think is good. But there are parts I disagree with, because they don't fit the litmus test of common-sense morality. And what to leave in, and what to leave out has been a matter of contention as well. If it's supposed to be so perfect, then why were there 13 or more gospels, and only 4 are allowed in the accepted "perfect" book of Christianity? Hmm.. methinks the word of God speaks more from some basic concepts of fairness in society, and I got as much out of Aesop's Fables and Mother Goose rhymes as a kid, than I get from the Bible. One good example - what sort of just God would ask a man to sacrifice his only son on an altar normally reserved for sacrificing sheep? Sure, God supposedly stops him at the last possible moment (as he raises the knife), saying "Whoa! I was only testing your loyalty!", but sheesh, that's ridiculous! Today, we would (and should) be appalled by this idea. And then, another - God supposedly will not allow any living Israelites to enter the 'promised land' (and never mind the people already living there - oops! too bad for them! Not the "chosen people"!), because they forgot to make a sacrifice one Sunday.. So, does the punishment fit the crime? (junior, you forgot to take out the trash on Monday, so from now on, you can't ever go to college. Too bad - don't cry to me - you had your chance!:laugh3:) Well, maybe I'm cherry picking examples - there are many fine morality tales that make perfect sense, but some of them are just extreme, or completely wrong.. The old maxims of "do unto others as you would have done unto yourself", and "don't judge a man or woman until you have walked a mile in his or her moccasins" go miles further than some of the half-baked tales in the Bible. I guess to me, well-reasoned arguments, with results as examples make sense; "you naughty, naughty doggie" type tales are just used to control, and are not very useful to enlighten anyone about reasons for behaving certain ways. Yes, much of it is backwards, and needs to evolve.. Plus, it could use a lot more positive tales, and a lot less punishment. Instead of the worst and most awful outcomes, they could have included more tales of enlightened reasoning, and thoughtfulness that led to greater happiness. So, I'm not always too pleased with it - but I did like the part where Jesus turns the table over in the temple, and drives out the money-changers! We could sure use someone like that in government today!;) Anyhow, my two cents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chuck kottke Posted February 21, 2008 Share Posted February 21, 2008 FOX "News": America's version of extremism and propaganda! It's like Spam, only without the salt and meat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TraceOddity Posted February 21, 2008 Share Posted February 21, 2008 The last post was the best.:laugh3: And thank you for adding McCarthy to the list...if ever there was a Holy Warrior for our times, he, sadly, is it! There was once a Jewish law that said you could not boil a calf in its mother's milk. As 'tradition' progressed, you could not even appear to boil a calf in its mother's milk, hence, the Kosher law that you may not consume milk and meat at the same time...in fact, according to the Talmud, even the APPEARANCE of 'evil' must be avoided, so if you cut your steak and your butter with the same knife, it must be buried in the ground. Over time, all faiths have convoluted themselves, without any accountability. (and again, please don't think I'm criticizing Judeism...it's just another example.) If you found a new religion in 2007, it will be based on the time in which it was created, and since it's 'sacred' noone will want to change its tennets. And the cycle continues. Leaders of all major faiths need to reconsider and update their beliefs, and make them more ammenable to their modern-day worshippers, otherwise, they will continue to look to extremism to express themselves. Long post, but I believe in it completely. No disrespect intended, but I still want that Iranian Dog-walking Day!:D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darlene_Ihnfsa Posted February 21, 2008 Share Posted February 21, 2008 :o poor man. as i know islam/muslims are "afraid" of dogs... dunno why, but i know also that one of the worse words that you can say to a muslim is dog... i really don't know why. when muslims came at first to my city, they have fear to dogs, now some of them don't fear dogs and let their kids play with them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rudy_o Posted February 21, 2008 Share Posted February 21, 2008 :o poor man. as i know islam/muslims are "afraid" of dogs... dunno why, but i know also that one of the worse words that you can say to a muslim is dog... i really don't know why. i'm disagree with you. totally. it's not about fear or afraid. there's a reason why dogs are forbidden for muslims. my country is a Muslim nation. and i live with the people from different religions and races. peacefully. and non-muslims are allowed to take a walk with their dogs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indanomati Posted February 21, 2008 Share Posted February 21, 2008 there's a reason why dogs are forbidden for muslims. It is not that it's forbidden for us. We can own dogs, walk dogs.. etc, it's just that we can't get them inside our houses and it's still NOT absolutely forbidden. It's a bit like the deal with pork for us and Jews. I'm not gonna go more into why we can't have them inside our houses because many I think would disagree and wouldn't be able to understand it fully. But that's how our religion is and that's what our beliefs are. When I first saw the title of this thread I was like 'Oh dear, I wonder how many of you could've got this wrong.' And I'm quite glad that many of you have responded in that way hehe.. :D As for 'ugadawg5', he has always been this biased or racist from the minute I've started coming to this forum. And I remember he and I had this heated discussion about Islam and I figured then that it's useless to talk to people like him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angel Eyes Posted February 21, 2008 Share Posted February 21, 2008 well - first of all I've never heard about this story before and I realy disagree about what happened to this old man because he just walk his dog and they do that to him! second, many of people here didn't know about the islamic religion and I'd say before you judge or say anything about this religion - Why don't you read about this religion to know more about it - than you can decided if that right or wrong! you said " ugadawg5 " this story happened in Iran not in all the islamic country - maybe they're different, but we don't have this rules in my country or the other arabic country... I have a story and this one is really true - it's also connect to the subject we talk about and all the moslem knew about it too... the propht Mohammed " Messenger of God "{ peace be upon him } said to his followers a story about How we should treat and deal with the animals! he said that a woman went to hell because of a Cat! than they asked him Why! he said because this woman didn't let the cat to eat and she also prisoned her and didn't feed her at all and three days later the cat died... so what do you think after you read this story? that the islamic religion forbid this act and also lead us to the right way to deal with animals... sorry, if I talked to much, but when I saw this thread - I said to myself that I have to write and let everyone knows about my religion and " I'm so proud of it "... and there are a lot of un-moslem people who lives in my country and the other arabic country and they can walk their dogs and no one can say or do anything to them... and finaly, thanks for all of you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rudy_o Posted February 22, 2008 Share Posted February 22, 2008 It is not that it's forbidden for us. We can own dogs, walk dogs.. etc, it's just that we can't get them inside our houses and it's still NOT absolutely forbidden. It's a bit like the deal with pork for us and Jews. . oh. sorry. we still can have dogs and it's not forbidden. my neighbour (a muslim) has a dog. actually i didnt find any suitable words either than 'forbidden'. heheh :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rudy_o Posted February 22, 2008 Share Posted February 22, 2008 well - first of all I've never heard about this story before and I realy disagree about what happened to this old man because he just walk his dog and they do that to him! second, many of people here didn't know about the islamic religion and I'd say before you judge or say anything about this religion - Why don't you read about this religion to know more about it - than you can decided if that right or wrong! you said " ugadawg5 " this story happened in Iran not in all the islamic country - maybe they're different, but we don't have this rules in my country or the other arabic country... I have a story and this one is really true - it's also connect to the subject we talk about and all the moslem knew about it too... the prophet Mohammed " Messenger of God "{ peace be upon him } said to his followers a story about How we should treat and deal with the animals! he said that a woman went to hell because of a Cat! than they asked him Why! he said because this woman didn't let the cat to eat and she also prisoned her and didn't feed her at all and three days later the cat died... so what do you think after you read this story? that the islamic religion forbid this act and also lead us to the right way to deal with animals... sorry, if I talked to much, but when I saw this thread - I said to myself that I have to write and let everyone knows about my religion and " I'm so proud of it "... and there are a lot of un-moslem people who lives in my country and the other arabic country and they can walk their dogs and no one can say or do anything to them... and finaly, thanks for all of you! I agree with you, nora! my country has no problem with dogs. And i also very proud of my religion. Thanks nora for a brief explanation. I can't write that long without a grammatical error. About the story, i have listened to it since i'm 4 years old.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angel Eyes Posted February 22, 2008 Share Posted February 22, 2008 Well, I hope that my explanation helps people now to understand everything about this thread and nothing else...:) Also - I asked some people about the story of the " Old Man " and they said this story is totally wrong! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TraceOddity Posted February 22, 2008 Share Posted February 22, 2008 I figured the dog thing was like pork, and that dogs were simply considered unclean by certain muslims in certain countries. Like somone already said, this is more Iranian law than Muslim law, from what I've read. I don't agree with them flogging the old man, but that's not a statement on an entire religeon. Thanks to you guys for clearing some of it up. I love the story about Mohamed and the cat...it says we should care for the animals...and I'm a cat-lover, so it made me smile.:) Bhuddists used to hate cats, and believe there is no place for them in 'heaven'. I'll never understand that since Buddhists are all about tolerance, but like I said, all faiths have their flaws...just like all people. IF there weren't flaws, we'd never learn anything. I'm learning a lot from this thread!:D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maldini Posted February 22, 2008 Share Posted February 22, 2008 As long as this thread name is Islam and Dogs, there is another story tells about a man walking in the desert and he was very thirsty, then he found a well and he get down to the well to drink, after that he saw a thirsty dog licking the sand from the thirst. When he saw that, he remembered how he was so thirsty so he get down again and bring some water to the dog and the man entered the heaven for this act. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rudy_o Posted February 22, 2008 Share Posted February 22, 2008 yeah. i hope all of you guys understand about the truth. thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angel Eyes Posted February 22, 2008 Share Posted February 22, 2008 I love the story about Mohamed and the cat...it says we should care for the animals...and I'm a cat-lover, so it made me smile.:) IF there weren't flaws, we'd never learn anything. I'm learning a lot from this thread!:D ^ I'm glad to hear that ( TracieMorgan )...:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rudy_o Posted February 22, 2008 Share Posted February 22, 2008 haha. actually there are a lot of cool stories, right, nora? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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