The trouble with Coldplay

[Tearfull]

The trouble with Coldplay is that they have to make an album that can be taken seriously like Radiohead's albums get taken seriously. While i love all there albums, Chris Martins overly sentimental lyrics prevent the band from ever making a truly classic album in the sense that what they do actually sounds original. i know the recording for prospekt has already been completed and i hope the whole album is full of dark songs. and i hope we dont have to have anymore love songs from chris when the whole music industry is saturated with such trash.

[Space Cadet]

:sleeping:

 

Here we go again

[winigwl]

can we :lock:this before it starts?

[Tnspieler1012]

While it seems that their next album will have a darker side along with being radiohead-esque in some instances(musically), A frontman doesn't need to seem constantly depressed to be taken seriously. I don't want to see another "fix you" (and I doubt we will) out of them, but if Chris went Yorke with all of his lyrics, coldplay would lose the color and warmth that gained their following in the first place.

I'm not ragging on radiohead, they're one of my top three bands of all time, I'm just saying that coldpay's albums, even X&Y have been taken seriously. they've won countless grammy's and brits for every one of them. More than radiohead, and they're four albums younger.

I'm very happy to see coldplay go in another direction, but there are parts of band that should change, and some that should stay the same...and the fact that a frontman is high on life shouldn't affect the band's credibility.

I don't see what you have against love songs either, I imagine music would grow very dry without them.

[blackchickintheback]

If one more person compares Coldplay to Radiohead, im going to lose it.

OK, there are some similarities, but NO, i disagree with you when you say that coldplay should make an album to be taken seriously.

Um, what do you call the last 3 albums?! They DO, in fact, take their work very seriously, trying to please people like you.

 

And some people happen to like Chris Martin's sentimental lyrics and their love songs. It's a matter of taste. I don't particularly

[blackchickintheback]

* i meant "PEOPLE like you." it won't let me change it.

[Tnspieler1012]

heh. Personally I think any comparison between the two bands should've ended after parachutes. the blue room E.P. and everything before it were the only things that came close to radiohead's style. I mean LP4 seems like it might the coldplay's equivalent of a Kid A, but it'll probably still be miles away from radiohead.

[Tearfull]

can we :lock:this before it starts?

 

 

 

why so the truth can be censored?

[Tearfull]

While it seems that their next album will have a darker side along with being radiohead-esque in some instances(musically), A frontman doesn't need to seem constantly depressed to be taken seriously. I don't want to see another "fix you" (and I doubt we will) out of them, but if Chris went Yorke with all of his lyrics, coldplay would lose the color and warmth that gained their following in the first place.

I'm not ragging on radiohead, they're one of my top three bands of all time, I'm just saying that coldpay's albums, even X&Y have been taken seriously. they've won countless grammy's and brits for every one of them. More than radiohead, and they're four albums younger.

I'm very happy to see coldplay go in another direction, but there are parts of band that should change, and some that should stay the same...and the fact that a frontman is high on life shouldn't affect the band's credibility.

I don't see what you have against love songs either, I imagine music would grow very dry without them.

 

you see the bands that gain credability are ones that go against the mainstream.

[Marisa]

why so the truth can be censored?

 

 

No.

Because we ( lowly CP fans) can't handle your revolutionary thoughts.

*bows down*:sleeping2:

[Space Cadet]

why so the truth can be censored?

Because we have this conversation once or twice a week. I for one am sick of it, whether or not I agree with you.

 

 

...You're not from At Ease by any chance, are you? :inquisitive:

[Tearfull]

Because we have this conversation once or twice a week. I for one am sick of it, whether or not I agree with you.

 

 

...You're not from At Ease by any chance, are you? :inquisitive:

 

its important though cause this is a band that should matter more than it does, in an artistic sense. i love their albums but they need to try something different lyrically.

[Space Cadet]

^Yeah, I think Chris figured that out about the time X&Y came out when all the critics started yelling at him. It's why the next album has been taking so freaking long.

 

And you didn't answer my question :p

[Tearfull]

^Yeah, I think Chris figured that out about the time X&Y came out when all the critics started yelling at him. It's why the next album has been taking so freaking long.

 

yeah but some of the sampled lyrics from the rolling stone article didnt sound too promising. strawbery swing and lovers in japan are not very encouraging song titles.

[Space Cadet]

^But they are different from the past. I'm going to withhold judgment until I hear the context. Goodness I'm too tired to argue rationally. (stupid DST :bomb:) I promised myself I wouldn't anyway... and yet here I am.

 

Goodnight.

 

 

 

....and you still didn't answer my question.

[rudy_o]

@ tearfull:::>

so what? i'm still going to wait that album to come out. and i'm gonna buy it. and i'll enjoying the album. yeah, just :lock:this thread...

 

 

 

 

 

@ space cadet:::>

good night. and i am agree with ya :dance:

[RunForTheHills]

Tearfull,

I get the impression that you want Coldplay to become some sort of Radiohead 2.0, but they are their own band with their own identity, and the subject matter is partly what defines them really. I have a feeling they will branch out more with this album in most aspects of their music, but don't expect them to change completely. Very few bands fully reinvent themselves and get away with it (exceptions being radiohead and a few others). Give them time to grow and mature beyond this album as this first shift of gear will probably show some growing pains.

[rudy_o]

Tearfull,

and i think this is the wrong place to argue. :confused:

[Tnspieler1012]

you see the bands that gain credability are ones that go against the mainstream.

 

Oh? Is that so Mr. nonconformist. I hope you realize how short-sighted and one dimensional that outlook is. It reminds me of those episode of southpark where they parody the goths.(I'm not judging you, but your screenname really fits the stereotype)

 

First off, who are the almighty credibility givers here? Obviously not the "mainstream i.e "popular" crowd who like "popular" bands like Coldplay who are "popular" meaning they must conform to the confines of "mainstream" music. #1. Just because a band is considered "mainstream" doesn't mean they are that way for the sake of conformity. You should know from previews of this next album that they aren't slaves to the "establishment"...all the members have said on numerous occasions they don't give a damn what anyone thinks. Yet somehow you still try to hold that against them.

 

Look, sometimes what a band prefers stylistically in music just happens to be part of the so-called "mainstream". and there's nothing un-credible or wrong about that. The real idiots are bands that intentionally sound like crap to be unpopular and "nonconformist"(the motivation and philosophy behind a lot of punk bands.). Why should a good band go out of it's way to not be "mainstream"? you tell me, cause I really wanna know.

 

Next, if the only bands that become greatly renowned, famous and "credible" as you say, are those that rebel against the "mainstream" then it seems like it's the so-called "mainstream" that aren't conforming to the absurd conditions you impose.

 

The fact is also that radiohead is also "popular", in rainbows was the best-selling album in the states for weeks after it came out (just like pretty much every album coldplay has and will came/come out with.) Even with Kid A, Radiohead never went out of their way to be "nonconformist" they simply wanted to move on to new things and their albums reflected the music they were listening to at the time. Also considering how coldplay have won more awards, and are rising as fast as radiohead did in the 90s...I just don't see the difference.

[Tnspieler1012]

its important though cause this is a band that should matter more than it does, in an artistic sense. i love their albums but they need to try something different lyrically.

 

 

And Radiohead are good role-models for that? With the exception of computer themes and distorted vocals. Thom Yorke has had the same thing going with his lyrics for a long, long time. If you want to see a difference, try getting yorke to write a "green eyes" .

 

Look, t's unfair to ask any band to change song themes. The songwriter will write what he/she/it cares about and will sing them in the style that they feel suits the song best, that's not gonna change with "high on life" Chris Martin. The music may change, the genre etc. but the unless he goes through something traumatic, the outlook and personality won't.

[Tnspieler1012]

yeah but some of the sampled lyrics from the rolling stone article didnt sound too promising. strawbery swing and lovers in japan are not very encouraging song titles.

 

Did you miss the stoner lyrics and the dark song titles like "cemeteries of london" and "death and all his friends"?

[miss capa]

It's Coldplay, they'll do as they please.

 

But seriously, by what we've heard, the new album should braek through all the stereo type Coldplay people have been complaining about.

[chuck kottke]

Besides, it just wouldn't be English without some haunting lyrics!:P

[frostbitepanda]

The trouble with Coldplay is that they have to make an album that can be taken seriously like Radiohead's albums get taken seriously. While i love all there albums, Chris Martins overly sentimental lyrics prevent the band from ever making a truly classic album in the sense that what they do actually sounds original. i know the recording for prospekt has already been completed and i hope the whole album is full of dark songs. and i hope we dont have to have anymore love songs from chris when the whole music industry is saturated with such trash.

 

So... you're saying that Chris' lyrics are overly sentimental?

 

I don't know about you, but I'm pretty sure a huge reason why Coldplay is so successful is because of their simple, direct lyrics that strike a chord. They're undecorated with oblique metaphor, but aren't trite or stupid. The exact and direct is often the most powerful.

 

And it also seems as though you're saying that they have to get over that in order to make a 'classic' record. Parachutes is already in many lists and in many minds as being one of the must-have albums along with the likes of OK Computer and Revolver.

 

I mean... all of the The Beatles' albums had many songs with lyrics that were simple. "All you need is love"? I don't know if you can get more sentimental than that.

 

You don't need 'dark' songs or deep, layered lyrics in order to make a good record. It's not cut and dry like that.

 

Don't get me wrong... I'd love to see Coldplay move in a new direction (Which, it seems that they've done), but don't go making assumptions and putting limits on what makes 'classic' music and what doesn't.

 

ETA

Also, don't judge an album before you've heard it. Especially, don't judge it by song titles for Christ's sake.

[TraceOddity]

If all a band does is sentimental, the fans will want darkness. If all a band does is dark, the fans will want sentiment. No one will ever be happy with what their favorite band does, because they'll always want to see the other side of that band.

 

The good news: artists demand the same from themselves, so we'll probably get what we want as fans from the new album.

 

(Please remember that musicians are first and foremost doing what they want for themselves. Not that they don't care about what their fans think, but they HAVE to please themselves first...it's why most of us get into it in the first place.)

 

Those four people in Coldplay are HUMAN, and they're doing this for thier pleasure, and if we as fans don't like it, well,we just have to deal, because they're human and they're in it for the JOY of making music for THEM, that THEY like.

 

Sorry for the rant, but us fans really need to relax! We're so ready to pounce and judge if we don't like it...guess what? That doesn't matter to them, and it shouldn't! I don't care how much they're paid, they can still only make the album that makes them happy. And we're just going to have to like it or lump it!

 

At the end of the day, if those four guys have a smile on their faces about the album they've just given us, that's all I want, whether it's my dream CP album or not. If we really 'love' the band, we should be happy for them either way...rant over!:)