O gosh, Im so bored and sick and tired of this constant arguing and comparing being made with coldplay.

Build a bridge...

you lot you just love newbies rattling on don't ye :P

(btw..that wasn't aimed at you personally TracieMorgan)

Music's more than just thinking about what might be sentimental, depressing, obscure, metephorical - you write about what you're feeling about above all. If he's happy to be in love, depressed about the death of a loved one, confused about the shitty world we live in, then who cares if he's Shakespeare or not.

 

"Give me love over this" isn't the most obscure, beautiful or complex lyric ever, but when Chris sings that line in Politik, it makes all of my hairs stand on end. That's what makes a good lyric.

I think what this guy is saying is that Coldplay have run the course on their aqauinted formula of being simple lyrics that hit the heart. Thtas still good but Great Legendary bands dont stay the same throughout alltheir albums, they change the direction they are going and that is what Coldplay needed to do and are doing now. So i kinda agree that they need something so great to be put in the history books.

I completely agree with every post since my last one!

 

I'm bored with the arguing too, but as long as we're all siting around waiting, we may as well enjoy speculating. The same thing's happenning over on the X-Files forum...fans are actually getting upset about spoilers etc, without knowing a thing about the new movie,lol.:)

 

We're a pathetic lot, aren't we?:lol:

Why is there so much snobbery and elitism with music?? Can't we all just enjoy it for what it is...geez. That's what music is for. To be expressive and carefree.

And Radiohead are good role-models for that? With the exception of computer themes and distorted vocals. Thom Yorke has had the same thing going with his lyrics for a long, long time. If you want to see a difference, try getting yorke to write a "green eyes" .

 

Look, t's unfair to ask any band to change song themes. The songwriter will write what he/she/it cares about and will sing them in the style that they feel suits the song best, that's not gonna change with "high on life" Chris Martin. The music may change, the genre etc. but the unless he goes through something traumatic, the outlook and personality won't.

 

but Thom has written a love song called "all i need" so wats your point?.

the reason Radiohead and ARcade fire gain credability is cause they try something creative lyrically rather than write love songs to Gwyneth.

Oh? Is that so Mr. nonconformist. I hope you realize how short-sighted and one dimensional that outlook is. It reminds me of those episode of southpark where they parody the goths.(I'm not judging you, but your screenname really fits the stereotype)

 

First off, who are the almighty credibility givers here? Obviously not the "mainstream i.e "popular" crowd who like "popular" bands like Coldplay who are "popular" meaning they must conform to the confines of "mainstream" music. #1. Just because a band is considered "mainstream" doesn't mean they are that way for the sake of conformity. You should know from previews of this next album that they aren't slaves to the "establishment"...all the members have said on numerous occasions they don't give a damn what anyone thinks. Yet somehow you still try to hold that against them.

 

Look, sometimes what a band prefers stylistically in music just happens to be part of the so-called "mainstream". and there's nothing un-credible or wrong about that. The real idiots are bands that intentionally sound like crap to be unpopular and "nonconformist"(the motivation and philosophy behind a lot of punk bands.). Why should a good band go out of it's way to not be "mainstream"? you tell me, cause I really wanna know.

 

Next, if the only bands that become greatly renowned, famous and "credible" as you say, are those that rebel against the "mainstream" then it seems like it's the so-called "mainstream" that aren't conforming to the absurd conditions you impose.

 

The fact is also that radiohead is also "popular", in rainbows was the best-selling album in the states for weeks after it came out (just like pretty much every album coldplay has and will came/come out with.) Even with Kid A, Radiohead never went out of their way to be "nonconformist" they simply wanted to move on to new things and their albums reflected the music they were listening to at the time. Also considering how coldplay have won more awards, and are rising as fast as radiohead did in the 90s...I just don't see the difference.

 

yeah but its not awards that matter, its what the critics think and the history books.

If all a band does is sentimental, the fans will want darkness. If all a band does is dark, the fans will want sentiment. No one will ever be happy with what their favorite band does, because they'll always want to see the other side of that band.

 

The good news: artists demand the same from themselves, so we'll probably get what we want as fans from the new album.

 

(Please remember that musicians are first and foremost doing what they want for themselves. Not that they don't care about what their fans think, but they HAVE to please themselves first...it's why most of us get into it in the first place.)

 

Those four people in Coldplay are HUMAN, and they're doing this for thier pleasure, and if we as fans don't like it, well,we just have to deal, because they're human and they're in it for the JOY of making music for THEM, that THEY like.

 

Sorry for the rant, but us fans really need to relax! We're so ready to pounce and judge if we don't like it...guess what? That doesn't matter to them, and it shouldn't! I don't care how much they're paid, they can still only make the album that makes them happy. And we're just going to have to like it or lump it!

 

At the end of the day, if those four guys have a smile on their faces about the album they've just given us, that's all I want, whether it's my dream CP album or not. If we really 'love' the band, we should be happy for them either way...rant over!:)

 

 

the band needs a dark side cause after 3 albums of sentiment,about girls anmd shit. for fuck sake grow up

All that matters is the listener! That's all that matters. If you like something then you like it despite what critics say. :rolleyes:

I think what this guy is saying is that Coldplay have run the course on their aqauinted formula of being simple lyrics that hit the heart. Thtas still good but Great Legendary bands dont stay the same throughout alltheir albums, they change the direction they are going and that is what Coldplay needed to do and are doing now. So i kinda agree that they need something so great to be put in the history books.

 

 

exactly my point, the great albums usually have a dark heart, like any dylan or pinkl floyd work.

:kiss:

Why is there so much snobbery and elitism with music?? Can't we all just enjoy it for what it is...geez. That's what music is for. To be expressive and carefree.

 

no music should reflect the times and therefore should have a dark side, just have a look at Bob Dylan Modern Times.

All that matters is the listener! That's all that matters. If you like something then you like it despite what critics say. Jesus :rolleyes:

 

no i love coldplay and i want a better future for them and the band need another lyrical dimension.

I think I'll stay out of this one. You all know my position.

I think I'll stay out of this one. You all know my position.

 

good idea lol.

They spun a web for meeeeeeeee.

but Thom has written a love song called "all i need" so wats your point?.

the reason Radiohead and ARcade fire gain credability is cause they try something creative lyrically rather than write love songs to Gwyneth.

 

 

1. All I need is my 2nd favorite song off of in rainbows but it's nothing near the "green-eyes" I was refering to. If anything all I need is a depresser considering lyrics like "I'm an animal trapped in your hot car, I'm al the days that you choose to ignore"..."I only stick with you, because there are no other", and of course the outro..."it's all wrong, it's all right" etc..

 

Also, I'm not saying there's anything particularly wrong about Yorke's writing style because he writes what comes natural to him personally, as does Martin...and because they're very different human beings one shouldn't be surprised that their songs turn out differently.

 

2nd. Radiohead was Martin's primary inspiration very early on and Arcade fire were a huge inspiration during X&Y. Believe me, coldplay is not oblivious to these bands or their styles, but last time I checked coldplay has a bigger following than arcade fire...so why do you still assert that coldplay lacks credibility?

 

3rd. Martin doesn't write love songs exclusively. I can only think of three real "love" songs on AROBTTH, and each one is considerably different than the other. Even with X&Y...what if is supposedly about his kids, white shadows isn't what I'd call a love song, talk, X&Y and speed of sound aren't exactly your stereotypical love songs either. but love songs considered... coldplay does a good job of mixing it up, they're a swiss army band, and with very few exceptions, no song is exacty like any other. You also exaggerate the prominence of love songs in coldplay's repertoire...in their career they've had many songs verging on the political(politik, animals, such a rush, murder, twisted logic etc.) I won't go on...just saying that coldplay have exploring subjects high and low in their career, and looking back, I can't count three songs that would count as "love songs to gwyneth"

no i love coldplay and i want a better future for them and the band need another lyrical dimension.

 

I respect your opinion, but I feel that you underestimate martin's songwriting. I'm having trouble finding anything crucial that coldplay hasn't explored in one song or another. If you want them to be a bit darker, they've had plenty of songs with a pessimistic outlook ,X&Y was all about the toss up of pessimism and optimism in every day life...but in the end, Martin is an optimistic, happy guy. He describes his songs starting off with a concern, and then at the end saying "what am I worrying about?" and unless he goes through something traumatic, the ideas addressed in his songs won't change. Music, instrumentation, and organization will. Lyrics will sound different too (thanks to hypnotization), but the mind behind them won't.

 

My final point is. You say some of the biggest albums and such have a "dark heart" about them. that's often because a lot of young people want something to blame and complain about.

 

The reason Coldplay is so different is because they show that you don't have to be a tortured artist to write meaningful songs. Why do you need to be angry to be respected?

:kiss:

 

no music should reflect the times and therefore should have a dark side, just have a look at Bob Dylan Modern Times.

 

Music doesn't need to be dark. Who told you that? You're starting to look like an increasingly depressing character.

the band needs a dark side cause after 3 albums of sentiment,about girls anmd shit. for fuck sake grow up

 

What exactly is the "shit" you're talking about? And what shit should they be talking about?

 

No bands "needs" a dark side; I'll say again that in their career Coldplay have written about a hell of a lot more than "girls anmd shit". So for heaven's sake grow up and stop trying to make coldplay into something they're not.

the band needs a dark side cause after 3 albums of sentiment,about girls anmd shit. for fuck sake grow up

 

I like their darker side, and I'd like to hear more of it. Don't get me wrong. I'm just saying that they have to please themselves first, as artists...otherwise they're selling out, imo.

 

One of the least popular songs on X&Y was Twisted Logic, which I love because it explored more than just mushy love,lol. (Not that I mind love songs, but there is more to life...hopefully.:))

I suppose the dark side has a certain appeal in exploring unlocked doors in our collective subconscious..:curtain:

I suppose the dark side has a certain appeal in exploring unlocked doors in our collective subconscious..:curtain:

 

yeah

im looking for a new lyrical approach on the as yet untitled album. the music is taken care of cause martin is a great pianist and songwriter and theyve got great producers. i hope lp4 is darker than the previous albums so its stands out more. if it is quite dark, i will listen to it, if it isnt dark, i will still listen to it, but there should be more to look forward to than sugary sentiment (you cut me down a tree, brought it back to me, wtf). if i want to listen to really positive music i will go and listen to the master Mccartney and for lyrical prowess Bob Dylan. Coldplay should take a new direction with lp4 and i hope they succeed.