You are right about the economy and the gov's role in its demise. I just think that this country will never change and Capitalism will always be the status quo

 

Yes. Anarcho-capitalism.

 

Josh man, people should not go broke just cause they get sick. Surely you don't believe that.

 

Of course, but a government monopoly is not the solution.

No no. That was not my intent. I do not like Capitalism. I was saying that this country will always be Capitalist and will not change. I believe that all people should be able to go to a doctor if they are sick and not have to pay for it. I do not believe that people should have to pay out of pocket for surgeries, medicines, etc...

 

You'd be paying for it through increased taxes. You're missing the point; the government has to get their money from somewhere and that somewhere is the taxpayers. Even if you didn't need to go to the doctor for a year, you'd still be taxed for that year. How would you feel if the government were FORCING you to pay for other peoples' health insurance?

Where then would you get the money to live off of?

 

From a job? I didn't say that if the company wasn't paying you enough you should just become unemployed; that would be retarded. You'd just go to a company which was paying you better. Much like a lot of people do now...

Yes. Anarcho-capitalism.

 

 

 

Of course, but a government monopoly is not the solution.

 

First response I like:)

 

second response I disagree. I think it would be better than what we currently have.

You'd be paying for it through increased taxes. You're missing the point; the government has to get their money from somewhere and that somewhere is the taxpayers. Even if you didn't need to go to the doctor for a year, you'd still be taxed for that year. How would you feel if the government were FORCING you to pay for other peoples' health insurance?

 

He already stated that he's a socialist so I don't think he really cares...

You'd be paying for it through increased taxes. You're missing the point; the government has to get their money from somewhere and that somewhere is the taxpayers. Even if you didn't need to go to the doctor for a year, you'd still be taxed for that year. How would you feel if the government were FORCING you to pay for other peoples' health insurance?

 

Doesn't bother me at all. We are all connected. I don't appreciate paying for a trillion dollar war in Iraq however. Do you?

First response I like:)

 

second response I disagree. I think it would be better than what we currently have.

 

You like anarcho-capitalism? That's like the polar opposite of your stated views...

From a job? I didn't say that if the company wasn't paying you enough you should just become unemployed; that would be retarded. You'd just go to a company which was paying you better. Much like a lot of people do now...

 

What if you can't find another job at another company. That was my point. It's not like jobs are all over the place.

I love the establishment!

Doesn't bother me at all. We are all connected. I don't appreciate paying for a trillion dollar war in Iraq however. Do you?

 

No, I don't, hence why I oppose taxation.

You like anarcho-capitalism? That's like the polar opposite of your stated views...

 

I was kidding around.

Doesn't bother me at all. We are all connected. I don't appreciate paying for a trillion dollar war in Iraq however. Do you?

 

Nope, don't want to pay for any of it. Nationalized health care, war, public roads, government employees.

 

You're once again bringing up my point that if it's something you don't want to pay for, you shouldn't be force to pay for it.

No, I don't, hence why I oppose taxation.

 

Taxes don't bother me. Just part of the game.

What if you can't find another job at another company. That was my point. It's not like jobs are all over the place.

 

They would be in an Anarchy.

 

I love the establishment!

 

:lol:

Nope, don't want to pay for any of it. Nationalized health care, war, public roads, government employees.

 

You're once again bringing up my point that if it's something you don't want to pay for, you shouldn't be force to pay for it.

 

You may not like it but taxes do play an important role. I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree.

What if you can't find another job at another company. That was my point. It's not like jobs are all over the place.

 

You're missing my point. They're not now, but in the hypothetical situation which we're discussing, a company would be more than happy to open up a position for a qualified employee.

They would be in an Anarchy.

 

 

 

:lol:

 

You can't be sure about that. :uneasy:

You're missing my point. They're not now, but in the hypothetical situation which we're discussing, a company would be more than happy to open up a position for a qualified employee.

 

Agreed.

hmm...

This is a really good debate and everyone seems to be mature. I'm happy.

I'm actually genuinely scared of nationalized health care. The more I hear about it the more I cringe. Someone on facebook just posted this:

 

Jan Hodgson

i will say it again..TALK TO people who know what health care is like under this "plan"...ASk me or my husband about relatives in england and.... Scotland (they always forget us).the scots are part of it too....we have LOADS of examples of BAD , SAD horror stories...family members...some who are no longer on this earth ....and why might you ask????NHS (obamas plan)..too depressing to ponder really...

First of all, this country is and will always be Capitalist. To turn away from that model would truly sink the country. Therefor, the whole anarchy thing will never come to fruition. At least not in my lifetime.

Well Jay is always harping over anarcho-capitalism. Anarchy doesn't necesaarily intend to dismantle the free market, quite the opposite really...

Secondly, I would like to see education provided with much more money than it currently gets.

Its been proven that more money does not translate into better education in schools. I'm not saying they don't need more funding, just that the government fails at education, and should at least put more money towards vouchers for better schools than trying to put cash in the wounds of a failed system.

Defense is King in this country and always gets the biggest piece of the pie. I would also like to see socialized health care. This is is the only industiralized country in the world where you could go bankrupt if you get sick or need surgery. That is just not appropriate.

True, but governments with completely socialized systems have very low quality healthcare because its rationed among citizens. In britain the government has encouraged citizens to hire midwives for pregnancies instead of cluttering hospitals. And the wait for MRI's and surgeries in Canada are ridiculous.

I do think the system does need to be changed, but the plan Obama is proposing is simply unsustainable.

 

How else would we take care of the poor and needy if the gov didn't. Philanthropical organizations cannot carry the burden of millions of needy people.

How about decreasing the number of poor and needy by not taxing them? If our government is by 'the people' then why must we be stolen from to do any good without it? You should be able to pick and choose exactly where your money goes.

I do think the system does need to be changed, perhaps even socialized to a certain degree, but the plan Obama is proposing is simply unsustainable.

 

I cringed. I'm highly disappointed in you Mr Schrodinger's cat.

Schrodinger's cat is disappointed in himself. I added that after the fact in sympathy. I'll edit it out. I just meant that it doesn't necessarily need to be raw and capitalism based. socialized was going too far.

here's an idea:

seeing as nothing will ever work the way we want it to, let's just all sit and stare.

:wideeyed:

then nothing can go wrong...

 

on second thought, i'm sure there's some way that people would screw that up, too. :rolleyes:

oh, humans. :\