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Oakland, California Passes Marijuana Tax. Should Pot Be Legal?


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No one ever goes over to the news section of the board so I am re-posting this here.

It should be legal. Would make a ton of money.

 

 

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From CNN:

OAKLAND, California (CNN) -- Oakland's bid to become the first U.S. city to tax proceeds on medical marijuana passed Tuesday by a landslide vote.

 

About 80 percent of voters chose to impose the tax on Oakland's medical marijuana facilities, according to the Alameda County Registrar of Voters.

 

Some celebrated the news at Oaksterdam University by hand-rolling large marijuana cigarettes or stuffing cannabis into pipes. The school trains students for work in the medical marijuana industry.

 

"It is important because the city of Oakland is facing a massive deficit like many jurisdictions in California," said Steve DeAngelo, a leader of one of the city's cannabis clubs. "And we decided to step up to the plate and make a contribution to the city in a time of need."

 

DeAngelo, one of the people who led the effort to get the tax approved, said his business will now have to pay more than $350,000 from the new tax next year. Watch report from CNN's Dan Simon »

 

Oakland's City Council was also behind the move.

 

"Given that the medical cannabis dispensaries are something that was legalized in California, why not have revenue from it?" said councilwoman Rebecca Kaplan.

 

There was no formal opposition to the effort, but some drug fighters say the tax sends the wrong message.

 

"The taxation of a federally unlawful drug is just not something that the community should accept," said Paul Chabot of the Coalition for a Drug Free California. "With the state in dire straits in finances and the country looking for ways to pay down debt, looking at illegal drugs is the absolute wrong thing to do."

 

 

The measure, passed in special mail-in election Tuesday, imposes a 1.8 percent gross receipts tax on the four licensed medical cannabis dispensaries in Oakland.

 

These facilities would have to pay about $18 in taxes for every 1,000 in marijuana sales.

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Why the fuck do they want to add new taxes? How about learn to fucking cut spending.

 

Anyways, yea it should be legal. It's a victimless crime. No worse than cigarettes and alcohol.

 

The taxes will go to getting Cali out of the mess it is in now. Can you imagine the billions of dollars our gov could make by legalizing and taxing pot. More money for education would be really nice.

 

Granted you are anti-gov influence.

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I don't want the government to have more money. I'd rather see it crumble and fall, crumble and fall like an animal.

 

It pisses me off how many people are in jail just because they had the wrong kind of vegetation in their pockets...

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You want Anarchy then? You've got to have some kind of control man. Government need not always be evil. I'd rather tax the hell out of pot and have the money go to education and city improvements etc.

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All victimless "crimes" should be legal. It's not the governments place to decide what's moral and immoral.

 

Drug cartels thrive because drugs are illegal...take out the illegality of it and you're killing their main source of income.

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You want Anarchy then? You've got to have some kind of control man. Government need not always be evil. I'd rather tax the hell out of pot and have the money go to education and city improvements etc.

 

Yea, taxing the hell out of it is better than the illegality of it now, but ideally there should be no taxes on it at all.

 

With the economy being in the shithole it's in right now, government should be working on CUTTING taxes, not thinking of ways to add new ones.

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Yea, taxing the hell out of it is better than the illegality of it now, but ideally there should be no taxes on it at all.

 

With the economy being in the shithole it's in right now, government should be working on CUTTING taxes, not thinking of ways to add new ones.

 

I agree with your first statement. However, I believe that the government should take care of its people. I would align myself more socialist than anything else. I do respect your views and understand what you are saying. The U.S. is too far along to go down the road you suggest. There will always be taxes. How else would we provide services in this country? I have no problem paying taxes if it supports causes that I find important.

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They're not thinking about legalizing stuff because they've just now realized how harmless it is, but because they're desperate for money. So desperate that they aren't even thinking twice about the hypocrisy of becoming reliant on people purchasing an illegal product to keep the government afloat. A lot like the cigarrette taxes actually...

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I agree with your first statement. However, I believe that the government should take care of its people. I would align myself more socialist than anything else. I do respect your views and understand what you are saying. The U.S. is too far along to go down the road you suggest. There will always be taxes. How else would we provide services in this country? I have no problem paying taxes if it supports causes that I find important.

 

Too far along the road eh? Anarchy is the next phase of politics following democracy. It'll come soon. The USA is just a failed experiment in politics.

 

What services do you speak of? What services do you think couldn't be provided (often more efficiently) without government?

 

You say you have no problem paying taxes as long as it supports important causes. I'm sure you don't support the war in Iraq do you? How does that make you feel? I feel the same way when it comes to the countless other things government forces me to pay for.

 

Don't get me wrong, charity is great. I love helping the poor, but government doesn't need to do it for me.

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They're not thinking about legalizing stuff because they've just now realized how harmless it is, but because they're desperate for money. So desperate that they aren't even thinking twice about the hypocrisy of becoming reliant on people purchasing an illegal product to keep the government afloat. A lot like the cigarrette taxes actually...

 

Good point.

pot will never be federally legal in this country but I think more states(in New Engand and in the West) will get on board and see how much good a pot tax could do to help the people that live there.

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Too far along the road eh? Anarchy is the next phase of politics following democracy. It'll come soon. The USA is just a failed experiment in politics.

 

What services do you speak of? What services do you think couldn't be provided (often more efficiently) without government?

 

You say you have no problem paying taxes as long as it supports important causes. I'm sure you don't support the war in Iraq do you? How does that make you feel? I feel the same way when it comes to the countless other things government forces me to pay for.

 

Don't get me wrong, charity is great. I love helping the poor, but government doesn't need to do it for me.

 

First of all, this country is and will always be Capitalist. To turn away from that model would truly sink the country. Therefor, the whole anarchy thing will never come to fruition. At least not in my lifetime.

 

Secondly, I would like to see education provided with much more money than it currently gets. Defense is King in this country and always gets the biggest piece of the pie. I would also like to see socialized health care. This is is the only industiralized country in the world where you could go bankrupt if you get sick or need surgery. That is just not appropriate.

 

You make a good point. I DO NOT support the war in Iraq and hate that my tax dollars go to the cause but I feel as though there is nothing I can do about that unfortunately.

 

How else would we take care of the poor and needy if the gov didn't. Philanthropical organizations cannot carry the burden of millions of needy people.

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First of all, this country is and will always be Capitalist. To turn away from that model would truly sink the country. Therefor, the whole anarchy thing will never come to fruition. At least not in my lifetime.

 

Secondly, I would like to see education provided with much more money than it currently gets. Defense is King in this country and always gets the biggest piece of the pie. I would also like to see socialized health care. This is is the only industiralized country in the world where you could go bankrupt if you get sick or need surgery. That is just not appropriate.

 

You make a good point. I DO NOT support the war in Iraq and hate that my tax dollars go to the cause but I feel as though there is nothing I can do about that unfortunately.

 

How else would we take care of the poor and needy if the gov didn't. Philanthropical organizations cannot carry the burden of millions of needy people.

 

Yea, it may not in our lifetime, but 500 years down the road it'll be the only system people know.

 

Name one thing which is government run that works better than it did before the government took it over, then we can talk about the state controlling my health care.

 

The beauty of Anarchy is that the unemployment rate would be next to nothing. Think about it. 40% of an American's income right now goes to taxes. Take that money, put it in their pockets, and the economy would flourish. Plus, if I had that extra 40%, I'd GLADLY give a lot bigger chunk of it to charity.

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Yea, it may not in our lifetime, but 500 years down the road it'll be the only system people know.

 

Name one thing which is government run that works better than it did before the government took it over, then we can talk about the state controlling my health care.

 

The beauty of Anarchy is that the unemployment rate would be next to nothing. Think about it. 40% of an American's income right now goes to taxes. Take that money, put it in their pockets, and the economy would flourish. Plus, if I had that extra 40%, I'd GLADLY give a lot bigger chunk of it to charity.

 

I do not think the gov runs anything better. I give you that point. That is the Capitalist model. I want a more socialized, caring government. I know it's all roses and sunshine and shit and that it will never happen but I can dream I guess.

 

The gov will always mess shit up.

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I do not think the gov runs anything better. I give you that point. That is the Capitalist model. I want a more socialized, caring government. I know it's all roses and sunshine and shit and that it will never happen but I can dream I guess.

 

The gov will always mess shit up.

 

I think your dream of a government who actually cares about people is less realistic than my dream of voluntary exchange and pure capitalism in an Anarchist society.

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I think your dream of a government who actually cares about people is less realistic than my dream of voluntary exchange and pure capitalism in an Anarchist society.

 

As far as America goes you are right my friend. But hey....with Obama....I can dream can't I?:sneaky:

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Yea, it may not in our lifetime, but 500 years down the road it'll be the only system people know.

 

Name one thing which is government run that works better than it did before the government took it over, then we can talk about the state controlling my health care.

 

The beauty of Anarchy is that the unemployment rate would be next to nothing. Think about it. 40% of an American's income right now goes to taxes. Take that money, put it in their pockets, and the economy would flourish. Plus, if I had that extra 40%, I'd GLADLY give a lot bigger chunk of it to charity.

 

yeah, like people would still make the kind of money they do today if businesses were allowed to do whatever they want. :rolleyes:

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All victimless "crimes" should be legal. It's not the governments place to decide what's moral and immoral.

 

Drug cartels thrive because drugs are illegal...take out the illegality of it and you're killing their main source of income.

This reminds me of the drug war in Mexico. Shows that as soon as you illegallize a product you put it in the hands of thugs and cartels. None of this would be going on if said substances were legal to sell.

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