http://www.upworthy.com/a-12-year-old-egyptian-boy-flabbergasts-an-interviewer-they-werent-expecting-a-political-genius-4

When the Egyptian economy came down after the start of the revolution, I would imagine a great many citizens are frustrated, and in confusion misled? I think of the Iranian revolution, and how so many student protesters were duped by the revolutionary regime. Intolerance is never a good sign, and that sets the stage for further repression... but behind it all is the question of who really is the military working for, will Egyptians get a hold of their government for real, and will more moderate voices gain the respect they deserve?

I just hope Egyptians know we are on their side, as much of our foreign policy is controlled not by our will, but by a few with tremendous wealth who have hijacked our government for personal gain and global hegemony. No more of this "now let's see you and him fight"

Meanwhile in Egypt...

 

 

 

Egypt's old guard takes the reins after overthrow of Mohamed Morsi

Mubarak-era officials give a familiar face to new regime in Cairo as supporters of former president are rounded up

 

Egypt's new power dynamic, following the 3 July coup that ousted Morsi, is eerily familiar. Gone are the Islamist rulers from the once-banned Muslim Brotherhood. Back are the faces of the old guard, many closely linked to Mubarak's reign or to the all-powerful generals. And for a seemingly broad array of Egyptians, that's exactly the way they want it.

 

The overthrow of Morsi has yielded a new appreciation for military rule in a country that so recently shunned it, and a striking return to the way things were before the 2011 revolution against a Mubarak regime that was widely considered irredeemably corrupt and exploitative.

 

Telltale signs of the old guard are cropping up in Egypt's new cabinet, where Mubarak-era figures abound and Islamists are absent; in the halls of the nation's justice system, where prosecutors are investigating the nation's pre-coup leaders on charges of incitement; and in darkened jail cells, where prisoners are blindfolded, handcuffed and interrogated about their adherence to the Brotherhood.

 

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jul/23/egypt-old-guard-mubarak-ruler

 

 

 

♫♪ "Meet the new boss / Same as the old boss" ♫♪

da faq?

Egypt crisis: 'Scores killed' at Cairo protest

 

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Egypt crisis: 'Scores killed' at Cairo protest

 

More than 100 people are reported to have been killed in Cairo at a protest held by supporters of ousted Egyptian President Mohammed Morsi.

 

Running battles are taking place around the Rabaa al-Adawiya mosque and there is blood on the streets, says the BBC's Quentin Sommerville at the scene.

 

A doctor at a field hospital close to the protest said that in addition to the dead, more than 1,000 were injured. Both pro- and anti-Morsi supporters had been holding huge protests overnight.

 

Many thousands occupied Cairo's Tahrir Square in support of the army, which removed Mr Morsi from office earlier this month. Army chief Gen Abdel Fattah al-Sisi had urged people to take to the streets to give the military a mandate for its intervention.

 

Early on Saturday, Interior Minister Mohammed Ibrahim had vowed to end the sit-in at the mosque. He said local residents had complained about the encampment and that the protest would be "brought to an end soon and in a legal manner".

 

However, it is not clear whether the latest clashes around the mosque represent a concerted effort by the security forces to clear the area.

 

Our correspondent says automatic gunfire can still be heard and the area is being hit by barrages of tear gas.

 

Muslim Brotherhood spokesman Gehad el-Haddad told Reuters news agency: "They are not shooting to wound, they are shooting to kill."

 

There has also been violence in Egypt's second city of Alexandria, where at least 10 people have been killed in clashes between rival factions. Since Mr Morsi, the country's first democratically elected president, was ousted on 3 July, dozens of people have died in violent protests.

 

Mr Morsi has now been formally accused of conspiring with the Palestinian militant group Hamas, which governs the Gaza Strip and has strong links with the Muslim Brotherhood.

 

He is alleged to have plotted attacks on jails in the 2011 uprising that overthrew President Hosni Mubarak. Mr Morsi and several Muslim Brotherhood leaders were freed during a breakout at a Cairo prison in January 2011.

 

Mr Morsi is to be questioned for an initial 15-day period, a judicial order said.

 

The order issued on Friday was the first official statement on Mr Morsi's legal status since he was overthrown and placed in custody at an undisclosed location.

 

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-23474645

The military didn't just step in for it's own sake, it stepped in because the majority of the nation demanded Morsi to be removed. Now they're going to set up another election, not a military dictatorship. This wasn't a move by a military, but a movement by the people assisted by the military, there's a difference.

 

Calling MrLick to the thread. MrLick?

Well they fucked up. That's the danger in any revolution, it can turn ugly fast. We still have to see if they set up another election and step aside.

 

I believe I did say this was always a possibility, like with any political movement. Anything is one moment away from going extreme, that doesn't mean it's not necessary.

 

You seem to be very quiet on Syria. What's your opinion on that? And U.S. involvement.

 

EDIT-This doesn't prove that they aren't doing it for the sake of the people and will step aside. Just because they're handling it horribly, doesn't mean they did it just for power. Doing something the wrong way doesn't always mean the intentions are bad. It's way too early to say I was wrong. I wasn't saying they'd do it the best way possible. So nice try there buddy.

So this is happening...

 

 

 

Egypt restores feared secret police units

Military-backed government seems to have no intent of reforming practices that characterised both Mubarak and Morsi eras

 

Egypt's interim government was accused of attempting to return the country to the Mubarak era on Monday, after the country's interior ministry announced the resurrection of several controversial police units that were nominally shut down following the country's 2011 uprising and the interim prime minister was given the power to place the country in a state of emergency.

 

Egypt's state security investigations service, Mabahith Amn ad-Dawla, a wing of the police force under President Mubarak, and a symbol of police oppression, was supposedly closed in March 2011 – along with several units within it that investigated Islamist groups and opposition activists. The new national security service (NSS) was established in its place.

 

But following Saturday's massacre of at least 83 Islamists, interior minister Mohamed Ibrahim announced the reinstatement of the units, and referred to the NSS by its old name. He added that experienced police officers sidelined in the aftermath of the 2011 revolution would be brought back into the fold.

 

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jul/29/egypt-restores-secret-police-units

 

 

 

♫♪ "Meet the new boss / Same as the old boss" ♫♪

If everyone is bad, why does it matter which one is in power?

Today, Eu's Katherine Ashton talked to Mursi for 2 hours. She said that he was alright and could read newspapers and watch tv.

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-23500117

 

30 July 2013 Last updated at 14:35 GMT

 

Ousted Egypt leader Morsi in good health, says EU's Ashton

 

EU foreign policy chief Catherine Ashton says Egypt's ousted President Mohammed Morsi is "well", but that she does not know where he is being held.

 

Baroness Ashton said she had two hours of "frank, in-depth" discussions with Mr Morsi on Monday, without giving further details of the conversation.

 

Mr Morsi had access to news and followed developments, she added.

 

She is the first foreign diplomat to meet Mr Morsi since he was detained after being overthrown on 3 July.

Egyptian cabinet vows to disperse pro-Morsi protest camps

Cabinet say camps represent threat to national security but Muslim Brotherhood says it will remain on streets of Cairo

 

The Muslim Brotherhood has said it will remain on the streets despite Egypt's military-backed cabinet vowing on Wednesday to forcefully disperse two month-long protest camps housing thousands of supporters of the ousted president Mohamed Morsi, prompting fears of a third state-led massacre of pro-Morsi protesters in as many weeks.

 

In a televised statement late on Wednesday afternoon, the cabinet said the camps "represent a threat to Egyptian national security" and the authorities would "begin taking all necessary measures to address these dangers and put an end to them, commissioning the interior minister to do all that is necessary regarding this matter within the framework of the constitution and the law".

 

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jul/31/egypt-disperse-muslim-brotherhood-morsi-camps#start-of-comments

 

 

 

Hmm I guess you can only have sit-ins and protests in the streets if you're planning to overthrow a democratically elected president. Makes sense to me! :thumbsup:

 

 

 

♫♪ "Meet the new boss / Same as the old boss" ♫♪

Again, if the new bosses are the same as the old, why do you pick a side? Is it just being democratically elected means it's okay to be a horrible government, is that your deciding factor?

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-08-08/muslim-brotherhood-best-straight-youtube-actors-money-can-buy

Egypt declares national emergency

 

 

Egypt declares national emergency

 

Emergency law in Egypt:

 

• Curfew in Cairo and nine provinces from 19:00 local time (17:00 GMT) to 06:00 local time daily
  
• Arrest of suspects deemed dangerous to public order
  
• Army to help police maintain security
  
• Limited movement of people and traffic
  
• Surveillance on messages and monitoring of media
  

 

Egypt's presidency has declared a state of emergency after scores of people were killed when security forces stormed protest camps in Cairo.

 

The camps had been occupied by supporters of former president Mohammed Morsi, who was deposed in early July. The health ministry says 149 people have been killed. But the Muslim Brotherhood, which backed the protests, says at least 2,000 have died. The state of emergency is scheduled to last for a month.

 

A curfew will be in place in 11 provinces, including Cairo, starting at 19:00 (17:00 GMT). The measure was taken because the "security and order of the nation face danger due to deliberate sabotage, and attacks on public and private buildings and the loss of life by extremist groups," the presidency said in a statement.

 

Shortly after dawn on Wednesday morning, armoured bulldozers moved deep into the main protest camp outside the eastern Rabaa al-Adawiya mosque. Officials say the other protest camp, at Nahda Square, has been cleared.

 

Reporters described wounded protesters being treated next to the dead in makeshift field hospitals. The 17-year-old daughter of leading Muslim Brotherhood figure Mohamed el-Beltagy was among the dead, reports say. Asmaa el-Beltagy was shot in the back and chest, her brother said.

 

A cameraman working for Sky News, Mick Deane, has also been killed - as has a reporter for Gulf News, Habiba Ahmed Abd Elaziz. The White House condemned the bloodshed, saying the violence "runs directly counter to the pledges by the interim government to pursue reconciliation".

 

UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon urged "all Egyptians to concentrate their efforts on promoting genuinely inclusive reconciliation", his spokesman Martin Nesirky said.

 

There are also reports of unrest elsewhere in Egypt.

 

About 35 people have died in clashes in the province of Fayoum, south of Cairo, Reuters news agency says. At least five people have been killed in the province of Suez, according to the health ministry. Clashes have also been reported in the northern provinces of Alexandria and Beheira, and the central provinces of Assiut and Menya. Hundreds are said to have gathered outside the governor's office in Aswan in the south. State news agency Mena says three churches were attacked, one in the city of Sohag with a large number of Coptic Christian residents. The interior ministry said a mopping-up operation in the streets surrounding Nahda Square was under way.

 

Pro-Morsi activists were chased into the nearby zoo and Cairo University, Nile TV said. It is still unclear how many casualties were caught up in the two Cairo operations. Figures differ widely and have been impossible to verify independently.

 

BBC Arabic's Khaled Ezzelarab says he counted at least 50 bodies at the makeshift hospitals around Rabaa al-Adawiya mosque. He said the injured were too numerous to count. Ikhwanonline, the website of the Muslim Brotherhood, says that in total more than 800 were killed.

 

The health ministry has issued an official death toll of 95. The interior ministry denied any deaths were caused by its forces firing live ammunition. "Security forces used only tear gas canisters to disperse the protesters though it was heavily fired at by armed elements from inside the two protest camps, causing the death of an officer and a conscript and the injury of four policemen and two conscripts," the ministry said in a statement.

 

The government has meanwhile congratulated the security forces on their operation to clear the camps. In a televised statement, a government spokesman praised their "self-restraint" and spoke of the "smaller number" of injuries among protesters.

 

The government would decisively confront attempts to attack state buildings and police stations, he said.

 

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-23700663

Civil war coming?

Wouldn't be surprising. At this point it's hard to see a way out of the violence.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/aug/17/egypt-unrest-west-response

Report: Former Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak to be freed

Egyptian judicial officials have ordered former President Hosni Mubarak freed from jail, a stunning turnaround for the 85-year-old strongman who ruled the nation for three decades before being ousted in a popular revolution, and a move that could plunge the unraveling North African nation into further violence.

 

The announcement, which comes as Egypt is roiling with new protests following the July 3 ouster of Mubarak's successor, Mohammad Morsi, stoked fears of even more violent reprisals from the Muslim Brotherhood, whose supporters have clashed with security forces and torched dozens of Coptic churches. As many as 1,000 Egyptians, including 70 soldiers and police officers,have been killed in the last week in fighting between the Muslim Brotherhood and the nation's more secular Muslims and Christians. On Sunday, some 25 Egyptian police were ambushed and executed in the lawless Sinai Peninsula, where the Muslim Brotherhood appears to have aligned with Al Qaeda fighters.

 

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2013/08/19/mubarak-to-be-released-from-jail-this-week-report-says/

 

 

 

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lol so you support the first dictator?

lol so you support the first dictator?

 

No it just shows that basically these recent protests are on their way to restoring what was the norm. So congrats to them I guess. :shrug:

Well, I was wrong about the military. I hoped they'd show restraint and there would be another election. I think this is unlikely now as a civil war is probably going to happen.

You can never trust the military.

Have a think about who the majority of them are.

You can trust the American military for sure.

 

Bullshit.

Hahahaha

 

If you need evidence of this, Greg, just look at our past 60 years of foreign policy. How many times have we saved the world from communism and terrorism?!