brandon313

i would assume that there are far worse casualties with bombs and ambushes and such twistedlogic....i mean every other day you hear about 5, 10, sometimes as many as 20 americans being killed inside their Armored personel carriers by bombs or land mines.

and thats not very cool in my opinion! you would think that in your own country....at least you can have people who were born and raised here. but i do believe there are more important matters

really? i would think that she would like it, we arent 'picking and choosing'. and we arent just sending EVERYONE back. but we arent just handing them citizenship. i think its BS that they think they can break all the rules, come in here, and DEMAND rights. (all the protests) But i mean, i think it is fair. It gives them a chance to go through the proper process and if they dont want to, then they dont have a choice to stay. Thats how it is for EVERY other country, why should it be different for mexico??

i dislike a few people, just because of mostly their hostility towards others. Everyone has equal opinions. Like when people automatically think WE are the kings of the world (USA) and that other smaller less developed countries dont matter. I dislike them. i dont hate anyone actually, hate is too strong of a word to be used very often. The only person i could ever hate would have to be someone who does harm to someone i love, like my gf or family

man i havent gotten any rep in a while! im trying to be the voice of reason and compromise in the debates going on in the news section! haha i guess ppl dont like that:rolleyes:

yea thats the sad thing too, i really think that both sides would like that plan. The far right gets the whole "deport em" kind of mentality a little bit in that plan, and the left is happy too. I see now, in politics, it is all made up of compromises, and i REALLY think this is a good compromise. as for the aliens already here, i say, if you have lived and worked here for at least 5 years, might as well give em citizenship. Anyone less than that, must either go through the naturalization process or be forced to leave, because if a business owner hires them, he is going to get in trouble, and HE doesnt want that! haha

there you go nick :dozey::D

i have already stated, you cut off their reason for being here, they dont come anymore. 6,000 troops cant stop them, they will keep coming and coming, and a fence? please. Cut off their reason for being here....employment... You throw an owner of a business who hires and illegal in jail for a month per illegal, and illegal alien hirings will stop INSTANTLY. Or fine them 50,000$ or even 100,000$ per illegal, it will also stop the hirings. And with no work for illegals, what will they do? they wont come here anymore illegally! They will either go through the naturlization process like all other legal aliens, or they will not come at all!! PROBLEM SOLVED no walls no fences no troops NO HASSLE PERIOD

you guys should all chill out, just talk about the topics, no need for personal attacks right????:shocked2:

guys, if you want a citizenship thread...make one, this thread is about Bush's plan to send troops to the border. I dont agree with it and neither do you Berrywoman, but neither of you are going to budge on your views so why keep pushing each other??? discuss the topics, dont fight wi th each other!

i read this poll again and i still refuse to vote, you need to put a middle choice in there saying "The government has used the events of 9/11 to their advantage, but did not attack our own country" i just dont believe that happened, im sorry. I believe Osama Bin laden and Al Queda attacked us, sure they were trained by the CIA, IN THE 80's! We have had no control over them since then. I just dont see that happening

ok basically the problem with illegal immigrants is that the only thing they do is dub down our social services. If they go to a hospital and are hurt, the hospital doesnt turn th em away, it just comes out in our taxes. So basically we have to pay for them when they have a baby in a hospital or something. Corporations like to hire illegals because they will work for 3 dollars an hour. The average American doesnt mind working, he just wants to be paid his fair minimum wage. and so with no jobs for average americans unemployment goes up. also illegals dont pay income tax so yea.... a fair solution to all of this is......PUNISH THE PEOPLE WHO HIRE ILLEGALS!!!! if you throw a buisiness owner in jail for a month per illegal, or fine him 100,000$ per illegal hired, i GARUNTEE YOU illegal workers being hired will drop to NONE. And with no jobs here, they will either be forced to go through a naturalization process like all the other aliens (legal ones) or be forced to leave.

hmm no response?? i dont like how it seems there is only one person here in the debate on the conservative side...but i just honestly cant believe that you still believe all the bullshit dude...its sad really

actually it has come about that the phone companies actually were illegaly GIVING them the records

i didnt mean the bogus war on illegals, i mean iraq, but that is neither here nor there. I am pro immigration and i am pro-stopping illegal immigration. But i just dont see how that will help the ones who are already here.

"they prove nothing" they prove something alright, they prove that not all americans are as easily fooled by his bullshit and his lies as you are. I dont want to personally insult anyone, but saying that OTHER people are fickle because his approval rating is shit, is just retarted

hasnt really done much other than that, look he had plenty of time, he is there almost as much as he is in office!! "And in barely three years in office, George W. Bush has already taken more vacation than Clinton did in seven years." _FACT "Bush has spent 500 days—again, about 40 percent of his time in office—at the ranch, the retreat, or the compound." _FACT AND this is OLD news, the first was from the first three years in office, and the second was from 2005

so they are going to be fighting a bogus war, "stopping" illegal immigration, AND helping the country when in need? seems like a heavy burden on these men. There werent enough to help with Katrina, what makes you think there will be enough now? also, this "guest worker program" is the worst solution to Immigration. Now i dont agree with amnesty, but guest workers are worse. And his fellow right wingers see that.

if you havent noticed, we dont have any money as it is, we have record high deficites that the next generation and the next will have to pay for. the people are fed up with his out of control spending and i think it will really mess him up, i saw a new poll, shows he is at 29% as of his address the other day....one commentator said, and i quote"Wow those numbers MUST be innaccurate...there CANT be 29% of the population who approves of this man"

Dont have a link, but this happened in my area.... Two 16 year old kids that go to a highschool in my area, got PASSES to go off of campus...They teenage girl DROVE the boy away from the school and to HER house, they then proceded to HER room, to get better......aquainted......:sneaky:haha and in the middle of that, the girls mother walks in and catches them. Instead of doing the motherly thing (kicking the boy out and cracking down on the girl) She calls up the school and informs THEM of the situation. The school then charges THE BOY ONLY with 10 days of suspension.........i'll let that sink in a little bit. Because the MOTHER OF THE GIRL called, they punished the boy, when the girl was JUST AS GUILTY or more than the boy. I dont even think it is the school's responsibility in the first place! they had PASSES to go off of campus, now im sure it wasnt for their...research...but still, it was not on campus, so the school has no authority. But i still can't get over that, she drives him off campus to her house, and they do it in her room, her mom calls and he is the only one punished. am i smoking rocks here or do other people agree this is crap???!?!:angry:

what does that mean?

and you are not.:angry:

http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/05/15/immigration/index.html mmmmmmk so when you have "stopped" all of the illegal immigrant traffic, what about the ones already here....? guest worker program...haha

i love Matisyahu, there is a vid of "King without a crown" live on my myspace! http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=10715785 haha my myspace is actually RASTA TO THE MAX!!! haha i just noticed:P:laugh3:

thanks!