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BBC LEAK! Battle over Sunday's 9/11 documentary BBC LEAK! Battle over Sunday's 9/11 documentary Thanks to a dedicated poster and campaigner on this forum (whose name is associated with the initials SG), I put this together and sent it round my e-mail list. ============================= We have discovered from a source inside the BBC that there are 2 versions or "edits" of the upcoming conspiracies documentary - one of which is a "whitewash" version. Our source tells us the guy pushing for the Whitewash Version to be broadcast is GARTH ANCIER: http://business.guardian.co.uk/story/0,,2013028,00.html He was in the Guardian YESTERDAY. Coincidence? Action: e-mail the addresses below, and any others you may be aware with a message like the one below. Let them know we know the gist of the game. We know from our source there are people in the BBC pushing for the truth to come out - so let's hear it for them. Well, what are you waiting for? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------- You can also call Television Centre on 0208 743 8000 to find out more and lobby those who decide these things. To whom it may concern: incl: [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] Two versions of 9/11: The Conspiracy Files? Word is reaching us that the BBC is in a quandary over which version of 9/11: The Conspiracy Files will be put out to air on Sunday evening. The dilemma is apparently due to there being two version of Mike Rodin & Guy Smith’s documentary. One version is a well-balanced piece of investigative journalism, whereas the alternative version is a hit-piece, intent on portraying 9/11 Truth Campaigners as nothing more than a lunatic fringe group. It appears that the dilemma is a direct result of the phenomenal reaction to the recent flurry of 9/11 related items appearing in the National Media. The debate kicked off with the publication of George Monbiot’s ill-researched hit-piece on Loose Change, the most downloaded video in the history of Google Video. Any casual observer perusing the responses posted on the Guardian website, could not fail to notice that the remarkable difference in style between those who leapt to the defence of the Official Conspiracy Theory (OCT) and those were seeking answers to the glaring anomalies between the OCT and the physical evidence. The vapid vitriol from the defenders of orthodoxy was no match for the measured curiosity of the Truth seekers. Last Saturday (Feb 10) the public awareness of the case for 9/11 Truth was raised further by a reasonably balanced article authored by Sue Reid and published in the Daily Mail. On Tuesday (Feb 13) Tim Sparke, Executive Producer of Loose Change: Final Cut, responded to Monbiot’s assertion that Loose Change was responsible for triggering a ‘Conspiracy Virus’! In a blatant attempt to publicise BBC2’s 9/11: The Conspiracy Files, Jeremy Vine employed New Statesman contributor Brendan O’Neill in an attempt to attack David Shayler and marginalise the 9/11 Truth Movement as a bunch of eccentrics; an objective which seriously missed the mark. Shayler handled himself admirably, he continually offered evidence upon evidence against O’Neill’s argumentum ad hominem. The discerning listener coming away with the clear perspective that there are some aspects of 9/11 that are not quite right! So what’s up with the Beeb? Well, word reaches us that new kid on the block, Gareth Ancier is the point man in trying to persuade BBC2 to run the hit-piece. Despite the fact that his appointment to the position of Head Honcho in the US (see link below) was only announced in Wednesday’s edition of The Guardian, he is apparently already flexing his muscles. How would the producers Guy Rodin & Mike Smith feel about this outside influence? Well, they’ve been paid so what do they care! Journalistic integrity is not in the vocabulary of the major broadcasters and certainly not in the vocabulary of one Ancier’s previous employers, FOX. http://business.guardian.co.uk/story/0,,2013028,00.html Newly responsible for the marketing of BBC productions in the US, Ancier is no doubt claiming that he will not be able to maximize revenues if the BBC is seen to be running programmes, however balanced, intimating that 9/11 might have been an inside job. From personal experience of operating within the US industrial complex, it is not beyond the realms of probability that Ancier is waving mega$ incentives if the Beeb agrees to run the hit-piece. As Princeton graduate and an initiate of the Phi Beta Kappa fraternity, serious pressure will be being put on Ancier to get the Beeb to ‘play ball’. Ancier will be familiar with the acquisitions strategy adopted by FOX in the aftermath of the OKC bombing, where local TV stations were broadcasting facts which questioned the ‘Lone Gunman’ theory that the devastation of the Alfred P. Murrah building was the result of a single Ryder truck loaded with fertilizer based explosives. Local News is a thing of the past in the USA; all local TV stations being required to broadcast the sanitized news prepared by FOX or one of the other 'approved' centralised news organisations. As a friend of mine from Texas commented recently, “Our news media treats us like mushrooms; we’re fed sh*t & kept in the dark.” Are the good citizens of the UK about to be subjected to the same mind-numbing BS disseminated on the unsuspecting American public by Garth Ancier's previous employers? There will undoubtedly be individuals within the British Government who will also be angling for the hit-piece to be broadcast. When the truth about the events of 9/11 is eventually realised, there are players who are either going to have to face charges of complicity or endeavour to explain their apparent ignorance, despite the ever-mounting availability of evidence which is anomalous to the OCT. They will also have to explain why they ignored the 9/11 Fact Sheets & Loose Change DVD’s that was sent to every MP, Member of the Lords, & every MEP in April of 2005! 9pm on Sunday evening may turn out to be a defining moment for the BBC. Ian R. Crane Chair - 9/11 Truth Campaign (UK & Ireland)

Well, I have seen it on sale online with "Envoy...." listed but when I downloaded an Audio Rip the cover shows no sign of it! Look...

BBC Implies 9/11 Truth Movement a Cult of Mythology Believing that a mass murdering psychopathic state controls the world makes us feel comfortable, according to the "experts" Thursday, February 15, 2007 The BBC's promotional material for its upcoming documentary on the 9/11 truth movement, widely expected to be a sophisticated hit piece, attempts to dismiss serious questions about 9/11 by implying that anyone who distrusts the official version has a borderline psychological illness and is a member of a mythological cult. An article and anaccompanying multiple choice test by a University of London psychologist tries to diminish any wavering from the official version of events behind world history and imply that such beliefs are a method of psychological escapism. The test clearly implies that anyone who holds skepticism towards the benevolence of government institutions is some kind of disenfranchised social pariah with unhealthy personal relationships. It is important to keep in mind that the definition of a "conspiracy theory" being used is any substantive skepticism of the "official version of events" as proclaimed by the state. The fact that people lie on a day to day basis is accepted and yet the concept that government, which itself consists of people, would lie about major events is somehow presented as an inconceivable concept. This is achieved merely by setting it against the buzz term "conspiracy theory," which has negative connotations attached to it due to decades of media stereotyping. Skepticism and "conspiracy theories" are not the same thing yet simply by throwing them all in the same basket, a healthy distrust of authority is castigated as some form of mental illness. The BBC interviewed X-Files producer Frank Spotnitz and is carrying the video which you can watch below on their website as part of the promotion drive for the Conspiracy Files series. X-Files producer Frank Spotnitz Talking http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/avdb/news/video/78000/bb/78537_16x9_bb.asx In the interview, Spotnitz characterizes conspiracy theories as a "secular mythology" that require emotional religious "faith" to uphold and that they act as a "security blanket to comfort yourself." Fox News guest and syndicated columnist Betsy Hart was one of the original progenitors of this nonsense, claiming that fear of a worldwide Muslim extremist terrorist plot (itself a conspiracy theory) led many to believe the "more manageable" explanation that the government was complicit in 9/11. Quite how a group of rag-tag fundamentalists was a scarier prospect that the leviathan menace of an all powerful genocidal state in control of a standing army was never explained. Hart's screed was subject to change after she falsely accused Alex Jones of sending her threatening e mails, a claim that led to a retraction being added to the article. Spotnitz also fails to clarify exactly how the belief that a warmongering elite that is prepared to launch mass casualty terror attacks in the pursuit of a haunting agenda to brutalize the world into accepting their domination acts as a "security blanket" to "comfort" us. Another blatant contradiction in terms is revealed when Spotnitz tries to explain the allure of "conspiracy theories" as a means to membership of an "elite club" that is smarter than the rest of the general population. An elite club by its very definition is a kind of secret society that is hostile to outside scrutiny and an easy means to gain membership. We as truthseekers spend every ounce of our time and energy trying to wake up the general public to a wider view of reality than their trusted establishment kingpins would have them believe, thus our very raison d'etre is the exact opposite of what an "elite club" would try to do which is to keep their knowledge secret. Our goal is to spread information not to constrain it within some inner circle. Because the architects of these attack pieces can't meet us on a level playing field and are unable to provide any logical answers to the questions we are raising, they have to shift the frame of the debate to nebulous ruminations on the psychology behind our "beliefs," claiming that "conspiracy theorists" dream up vast plots to make themselves feel more comfortable about tragedies and to give the world some sense of order, or as the University of London's Patrick Leman describes it, "We want "closure" in our thinking and to believe that we live in a stable and predictable world." The fact is that inventing some catch-all indistinct theory in an attempt to neutralize legitimate unanswered questions and a healthy skepticism of anything the state or their media organs proclaim is a crass attempt to debunk the 9/11 truth movement, being that it appeals to the general public's laziness and convenience of not having to stop and think for themselves about world events. This process of illogical mental gymnastics has been cited before on countless occasions and is turning into somewhat of a prepared script for the debunkers. Though the BBC tries to portray truthseekers as closeted loners with mental instabilities, the fact is that "conspiracy theories" and guarded skepticism are far healthier than a blind obedience and acceptance of what government tells us is truth and this is historically proven. Four words alone, "weapons of mass destruction" illustrate that perfectly. The ground zero rescue workers who bravely dug through the rubble of the twin towers paid a heavy price for believing what their government told them about 9/11, that the toxic air was safe to breathe, and 20% are now dying as a result of it. The population in general would be loathe to repeat such a mistake. ------------------------------------------------------ GET ACTIVE: Populate the BBC's Conspiracy Files blog and set the record straight on the outlook and goals of the 9/11 truth movement in the face of this bias attack. Click here and leave your comments.

:kiss: Have a very Happy Birthday Viri :kiss:

BBC 9/11 Documentary Likely Hit Piece Obsessive focus on strawman theories say individuals interviewed for upcoming show Paul Joseph Watson Thursday, February 15, 2007 This weekend's highly anticipated BBC documentary on the 9/11 truth movement is likely to be a sophisticated hit piece, according to those who were interviewed for the program and others wary of the motives behind the creators of the show. The BBC are extensively promoting the show via commercials during peak time viewing and yesterday featured a reasonably balanced summary of the 9/11 truth movement on their website. A preview clip and an extended clip showing Alex Jones and Jim Marrs at Dealy Plaza were also released yesterday. Seemingly fair promotional material shouldn't suck anyone in to believing anything else than the fact that this is most probably going to be a severe attack on 9/11 truth. The first program in the series that aired in December of last year focused on the questions surrounding the death of Princess Diana, an event that the overwhelming majority of the British public now believe was an assassination. According to many disgruntled viewers, the show was mostly a whitewash and toed the official line. Other programs in the series feature investigations into the Oklahoma City Bombing and the death of Dr. David Kelly. Many posters to the 9/11 Blogger site were skeptical of the show's balance and fear it could be one of the most sophisticated attacks on the 9/11 truth movement to date, using nebulous strawman tactics that elevate unproven theories about hologram planes, exotic weaponry and Jewish conspirators above hardcore evidence. "Judging from my experience with (producer) Guy Smith, this will be a hit piece," stated one. Another respondent said that Craig Bartmer, a former NYPD official who heard bombs bring down Building 7 as he ran from it, was interviewed for the show and came away with the distinct impression that its intention was to dismiss everything as a conspiracy theory, including the fact that a government cover-up was now known to have been effect in the very hours after the attack, when EPA officials told ground zero workers the toxic air was safe to breathe. Bartmer told the BBC he thought their treatment of the subject was an insult to himself and the rest of the victims, but it's likely that the BBC will play the "insulting to the victims" card themselves, ignoring the fact that 20% of the ground zero rescue heroes are now dying as a result of an admitted government cover-up, and not due to any actions on behalf of "conspiracy theorists." Another tactic is likely to be constant reference to NIST and the 9/11 Commission in an attempt to debunk every question raised by "conspiracy theorists," yet both have been proven to betray wild conflicts of interest along with a penchant for simply ignoring or burying information that contradicts the official story, such as the Norman Minetta testimony, 9/11 wargames and Building 7. Alex Jones, director of Terror Storm, features heavily in show after the BBC followed him around for a week of taping. Commenting on his radio broadcast yesterday, Jones said "They're pulling out all the stops on this one, they're going to try to mix in anti-Semitism," adding that the producer Guy Smith wouldn't allow him to talk about hardcore proven evidence on camera such as Operation Northwoods. "They always wanted to bring up the most tenuous evidence, they always wanted to argue about that," said Jones. Jones said that upon conclusion of filming, the producer started laughing and proclaiming his disbelief at everything Jones had stated. "It's going to be one mega hit piece," he concluded. Despite the BBC's best efforts to skew the investigation process into areas that can't be proven and simply discredit the 9/11 truth movement, the organs of establishment media remain oblivious to the fact that 9/11 truth has reached critical mass and the tipping point has already passed. The only ramifications of this broadcast will be to reassure the myopic sheeple that their government couldn't possibly lie to them, while provoking enough interest in those who still have the capacity to think for themselves to do their own research and find out the truth. The Conspiracy Files airs on BBC 2 Sunday February 18 at 9pm

I don't think 'Envoy....' is on the DVD actually. I have seen the box and also have an audio recording and it's not on there.

I know, I know - that's what the article was pointing out. It's an old story by now but yes, Al-Qeada is a creation of the west.

Iran 81mm Mortar Story: Twists, Turns, and Eating Crow Kurt Nimmo Wednesday, February 14, 2007 It was just yesterday I received an email indicating my assertion the Iranian 81mm mortar story—part and parcel of the neocon effort to finger Iran for killing U.S. soldiers in Iraq—was in error, as it appeared at first glance indeed an Iranian death merchant manufactured 81mm mortar shells, thus debunking my debunking of the neocon effort, not that it particularly matters as the neocons will bomb the smithereens out of Iran regardless of the transparency of their propaganda. In short, I ate a healthy serving of crow, and then set about removing my original post and adding a retraction. But wait a minute. Not so fast. In the meantime, Mike Rivero of the news site What Really Happened has completed a bit of investigative work into the supposed death merchant allegedly responsible for cranking out 81mm mortars, said to be in the arsenal of Iraq’s Shi’a militias. Rivero takes note of spelling inconsistencies, errors, and awful fishy graphic and design details on the supposed death merchant page (see his post on the WRH site). Moreover, the “phone numbers on the contact page are all 7 digit numbers. But in July of 2005, Iran switched over to an 8-digit phone system,” Rivero explains. But what really cinches it is the IP information: Information related to '213.176.96.0 - 213.176.96.255' inetnum: 213.176.96.0 - 213.176.96.255 netname: MUT-AC-IR descr: Malek Ashtar University country: IR admin-c: SR3653-RIPE tech-c: MR6958-RIPE status: ASSIGNED PA mnt-by: IROST-MNT mnt-lower: IROST-MNT mnt-routes: IROST-MNT source: RIPE Filtered person: Shapour Rahimi address: Malek-Ashtar University Tehran Iran phone: +98 21 22944490 nic-hdl: SR3653-RIPE source: RIPE Filtered person: Masoud RanjbarZade address: Malek-Ashtar University Tehran Iran phone: +98 21 22944490 nic-hdl: MR6958-RIPE source: RIPE Filtered Information related to '213.176.64.0/18AS15611' route: 213.176.64.0/18 descr: IROST-route origin: AS15611 mnt-by: IROST-MNT mnt-lower: IROST-MNT source: RIPE Filtered While it is possible the Malek Ashtar University is hosting a web page for an arms merchant, this is, to say the least, highly suspect. In short, the IP information alone leads me to believe there is something extremely fishy about this whole affair. In response, I am removing my retraction until this can be explained—and for the moment, I will fall back on my original claim: the neocons have falsely attributed the 81mm to the Iranians. Short of more definitive evidence—not likely to come from people who specialize in fabrication evidence, that is to say trading in lies and deception—I maintain the whole thing is a ruse designed to finger Iran and thus build a pretext to bombard that nation. Addendum Searching “Malek-Ashtar University” returns a few interesting results. Alireza Jafarzadeh, writing for Strategic Policy Consulting (SPC), mentions the Malek-Ashtar University in relation to Iran’s alleged attempt to build nuclear weapons. “One of the places used by the Defense Industry is their affiliate university, known as Malek Ashtar University located in Lavizan near Tehran, where they are using the ovens there trying to make C.M.C. [Ceramic Matrix Composite, said to be “a key material for building a nuclear bomb”]…. Exporting C.M.C. to Iran is against the international law.” SPC bills itself as “an independent firm, founded to provide a wide range of consultancy on issues related to terrorism, weapons of mass destruction, Iranian internal and external affairs, as well as Iran’s role in Iraq,” in other words, it is hardly an objective source. As I wrote here last month, “Jafarzadeh was happy to proffer scary stories about mullahs with nukes. Now, however, as a neocon team player, he has adopted the Iran meddling in Iraq theme, apparently the emerging rationale conjured up as a flimsy excuse to be used in the upcoming effort to shock and awe Iranian school children and grandmothers.” As well, Jafarzadeh’s biography on the SPC website lists him as “a contributor for FOX News Channel, and until August 2003, Jafarzadeh acted for a dozen years as the chief congressional liaison and media spokesperson for the US representative office of Iran’s parliament in exile, the National Council of Resistance of Iran,” in other words, the wacky Marxist-Islam MEK cult (see below). “Malek Ashtar University is the center for different tests for nuclear weapons and is affiliated with the Defense Ministry. The headquarters for the University is in Tehran’s Lavizan area,” claims the National Council of Resistance of Iran, a less than objective source, as the NCRI was “founded in 1981 in Tehran upon the initiative of Massoud Rajavi (Leader of the Iranian Resistance) and is closely linked to the People’s Mojahedin Organization of Iran (MEK); according to their website the NCRI ‘is the parliament-in-exile of the Iranian Resistance,’” according to SourceWatch. MEK is officially listed by the State Department as a terrorist organization and Massoud Rajavi is considered a traitor in Iran because he served as a malleable quisling for Saddam Hussein.

Why Is Britain Protecting 'Jihadists'? Select British suspects saved in Africa, flown back to UK, then released Wednesday, February 14, 2007 A group of men suspected to be "jihadists" with "links to Al Qaeda" have been rescued from captors in Somalia by the British Foreign Office and flown back to the UK by the RAF, thus saving them from a death penalty handed down by Somali authorities. Whitehall sources said they would keep the four men under surveillance but they will not be placed under control orders, which would allow their movements to be restricted. Tory homeland security spokesman Patrick Mercer said the Government was 'wishing another problem' upon Britain, adding: 'I just find it amazing that we bring back people apparently bent on Jihad. It really does beggar belief.' Once again the see through rhetoric of the 'war on terror' is witnessed as the government says one thing and does another with regards to terrorist activity on British shores. It is highly suspect that these four men were rescued and brought back by high ranking officials, particularly given that scores of Britons were left to be killed, injured or captured with other foreign fighters during battles with Ethiopian troops, who invaded Somalia in December, backed by US airstrikes. Tony Blair says that the British security services are doing everything in their power to protect the British people from Islamic extremism, yet again and again we see instances whereby people known to hold extremist views are systematically protected at home and abroad by the British government. While this is going on the police are grabbing random innocent muslims in media showcases for bizarre beheading plots, liquid terror attempts, ricin attacks, all of which have turned out to be totally false. In the majority of cases the government is turning a blind eye to the real extremists while flaunting the ridiculous and telling us we all need to give up some of our liberties in order that they may keep us safe. For over a decade the British state has infiltrated, tolerated, facilitated and protected the few real extremist groups that do exist. MI5 and MI6 have, as a matter of routine, granted these groups asylum, allowed them to function with impunity in violation of British law, and even recruited their leaders as double agents. Lets take a quick look at a few past examples of how the British authorities have sheltered the real terrorists: Abu Qatada - The radical London Cleric with strong ties to Bin Laden, and responsible for terrorist training within the UK, has perhaps the most well documented track record in terms of his MI5 links. See Al-Qaida suspect 'hidden by UK agents' MI5 wanted me to escape, claims cleric Al-Qaeda cleric exposed as an MI5 double agent Abu Hamza - Another radical London preacher, was known to posses hundreds of terrorist training tapes and manuals which he disseminated via the Finsbury Park Mosque where he was allowed to preach Jihadist mantra for years despite being monitored extensively by other MI5 informants. Documents were also discovered indicating that Hamza was involved in plots to attack London landmarks. It emerged that over a three-year period the cleric had met repeatedly with MI5 and Special Branch. See The Spy Who Came in From the Mosque Hamza set up terror camps with British ex-soldiers My sermons had MI5's approval, says Hamza Britain: Why did it take so long to bring Abu Hamza to trial? Ahmed Omar Sheikh Saeed - High ranking "Al Qaeda" operative, thought to be the financial chief. in reality is another asset that takes his orders from the intelligence agencies. Was the go between for the transfer of money by the head of the Pakistani ISI to alleged 9/11 hijacker Mohammed Atta.Was allowed to enter and leave Britain at will between 1999 and 2001, despite being a known Al Qaeda operative. Is suspected by many to be an MI6 asset as well as working for the ISI and the CIA - thus a triple agent. Has also been sentenced for abducting and murdering US journalist Daniel Pearl. See Did Pearl die because Pakistan deceived CIA? Britain recruited terrorists, Meacher claims Former UK cabinet minister Meacher says MI6 is trying to cover its tracks Militant free to return to UK Haroon Rashid Aswat - Initially reported to be the mastermind behind the 7/7 London bombings. Phone records indicated Aswat had conversations with two of the London bombers in the days before the events, and even visited their home towns. He was picked up by MI5 and allowed freely into and out of the country in the days before 7/7 despite being a wanted man for attempting to set up terror training camps in the US. He was then arrested in Pakistan days after 7/7 but allowed to go free within 24 hours. He was arrested again in Zambia whereupon British authorities said he was "not a priority". Terrorism expert John Loftus exposed Aswat as a double agent for MI6. See: Terror Expert: 7/7 Mastermind was working for British Intelligence Scotland Yard "Not Interested" in 7/7 Mastermind Aswat Media Darling Terror Expert Admits Government Sponsored Terror London Bombing ringleader, Haroon Rashid Aswat - double agent for MI6? The official reluctance to act against these known extremists in the UK and the further protection of extremists abroad does not match the government's willingness to act pre-emptively to foil ludicrous plots of doubtful reality. Exposing these actions is key to revealing the fraud behind the war on terror.

Everyone ready for the new BBC 2 9/11 programme on Sunday (18th) at 9:00pm in the UK? [it's on in the US the week after I think] From talking to people who are actually IN the programme and from parts I have seen so far it's going to very misleading and pass by lots of key points. I might actually explode in anger while watching it.

Ok, I like the recent pics so I did some at different altitudes with a Red pointer. Some things have changed since these photos where taken.

Publicity Stunt. He's not living up to his part of the huge record deal (by selling enough albums or making good music in fact) so he does this....sad reallly. OR - indeed he realises that his smug little face is getting him nowhere anymore and that the losers of the Take That era are now doing better than him (still shite though) - so he's hit the pills! Either way - he's crap. Worst thing he did was fall out with Guy Chambers - who wrote all is best songs.

Fresh Di Bufala Campana Mozzarella

I think it's a pretty bad song though so I doubt they will.

What was I saying the ipod thread? :cry:

See, my earlier point proved. You can always justify this type freedom snatching but it's part of something very, very bad and that's what needs to be realised.

New Arcade Fire album - Neon Bible Sounds alright so far.

Molten Steel..Is the most devastating proof of an inside job along with free fall speed of collapse. You can't break the laws of physics. 1. There is lots of testimony of molten steel by eye-witnesses 2. It was analyzed in the FEMA report!! Therefore it exists! 3. NIST completely ignored it and called it "irrelevant to their investigation" as if the structural support of a building is somehow "irrelevant". 4. Normal fires (i.e. jet fuel) fires are incapable of creating the melted steel that was found 5. ONLY a thermate/thermite reaction can explain molten metal for WEEKS after 9/11. Explosives can also melt steel. 6. Steven Jones found thermate. 7. Dust Samples independently analyzed confirm the explosives hypothesis. Building designer Les Robertson claimed to have seen the molten steel 21 days after the buildings fell to the ground. Later in an interview with Steven Jones he claimed he didn’t know of anyone who saw molten steel! Guess what—he supports the NIST report and also claims that they didn’t consider jet fuel (a lie) and that they also didn’t consider planes moving faster than 180 mph (another lie). These people are lying and we know it. We can hold them accountable for their lies. The only question is: Given this devastating evidence that we can use to force another 9/11 investigation, why are certain individuals focusing on un-testable theories. Why are they downplaying thermate when it PROVES an inside job."

NIST Engineer, John Gross, Denies Reports About Molten Steel at the WTC http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7180303712325092501&hl=en John Gross, one of the lead engineers of the NIST report is questioned about the existence of molten steel at the WTC, the collapse of Building 7, and also explains how the NIST report did not do any analysis of the collapse of all three buildings. John Gross was asked to come speak at the University of Texas at Austin by the Phil. M. Ferguson fund ( Link to their website,http://www.utexas.edu/research/fsel/people/index.html ). UT student organization, A Project for the New American Citizen was there to ask and film his response to the questions. please get in contact with this department at UT and tell them you want a public debate of these issues with a Project for the New American Citizen. We need to put as much pressure on these people as we can. Our website is PNACitizens.org thanks for your help http://pnacitizens.org/ Molten Steel..Is the most devastating proof of an inside job along with free fall speed of collapse. You can't break the laws of physics. 1. There is lots of testimony of molten steel by eye-witnesses 2. It was analyzed in the FEMA report!! Therefore it exists! 3. NIST completely ignored it and called it "irrelevant to their investigation" as if the structural support of a building is somehow "irrelevant". 4. Normal fires (i.e. jet fuel) fires are incapable of creating the melted steel that was found 5. ONLY a thermate/thermite reaction can explain molten metal for WEEKS after 9/11. Explosives can also melt steel. 6. Steven Jones found thermate. 7. Dust Samples independently analyzed confirm the explosives hypothesis. Building designer Les Robertson claimed to have seen the molten steel 21 days after the buildings fell to the ground. Later in an interview with Steven Jones he claimed he didn’t know of anyone who saw molten steel! Guess what—he supports the NIST report and also claims that they didn’t consider jet fuel (a lie) and that they also didn’t consider planes moving faster than 180 mph (another lie). These people are lying and we know it. We can hold them accountable for their lies. The only question is: Given this devastating evidence that we can use to force another 9/11 investigation, why are certain individuals focusing on un-testable theories. Why are they downplaying thermate when it PROVES an inside job."

I know, you can see where I'm coming from? - it's serious and people need to pay attention. :) and......well, I'm not into scaring people but I just see these things for what they are and this stuff is real and is happening.....and, well I guess fear...or probably more anger, is a perfectly normal reaction.

Nobody can tell exactly where I am now so I'm not bothered.

:thinking: Global Warming. If only they would get it right. Supporting the current widely known "Global Warming" non-sense is making things worse! Although I would like to be more green for the sake of it - better health, saving wildlife and all that side of it. I'd like to see them play new stuff though.

GOOGLE MAPS My house when in London: Perivale, Ealing, London, UK. (House is right in the middle) AND this is where I am now: Stanley, County Durham, UK. The Map isn't very well updated on here. GOOGLE EARTH MORE PRECISE LINKS (IN ZIPS)

Here's a pretty grim picture. You notice that you are told that you can't eat certain foods (trans fat etc..) that you can't smoke in public and many other things that most people will go along with because all those have obvious health benefits that have been widely discussed in the media - I actually hate smoking therefore it's great for me to be able to go out to public places and not breathe in all that junk, plus it might help some people cut down on their smoking too. See, now I've rationalised that, smoking bans,....sounds fair doesn't it. BUT the point is -it's all part of the nanny state, the big brother society that is incrementally raising and taking away freedom after freedom, after freedom. Sure, all the things deemed BAD about society, like trans fats and smoking, are logical BUT where then? Well, we know where - banning use of your iPod on the street, talking while driving, random on the street drugs tests, no protests with permit (?!?!) and CCTV wherever possible to make sure you aren't doing any of these things! It's getting into the "really fucked" stage now. Just wait until after the next big "terror" attack, then all the drones will shout "save me government! save me!" and a whole load of new bills will pass that will make the disgusting patriot act in the US actually seem fair. Then our children will grow up in a world which they consider to be 'normal' while all the us old folk will be complaining about how it used to be - but nobody wants to listen to some silly old fool do they? sound familiar? Then it'll go on and on like that until........well, you work it out. :dead:

I know, it's pathetic, huh? I've seen 2-3 feet of snow a couple of times where I live in the past 10 years and even more before then when I was at school.....People need to just grow up and get on with it! It'll be all gone in a day or two!