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Well, I really think everyone involved is to blame.

Hmmm, well, no not really. I hate the man.....but it's not about 'Bush' anyway, I think.....ever. He just says the words (most times). It was Donald Rumsfeld who sold them the reactors back in in 2000. It's an odd one though isn't it? Becuase they have been known to be developing nuclear weapons for a long time and it was obvious that they would have to test them....just like our countries have tested all our weapons, including nuclear weapons. It's just makes sense.....if you make weapons then you would expect at test. However, there seems an element of suprise that North Korea would even consider testing....which I don't quite understand....it was always going to be on the cards at some point. Having said this......I think that the test by N. Korea is going to cause a rush to arms in the region, with other countries thinking they need an A-Bomb......which leads to an even bigger problem. We should be getting rid of the A-Bomb...and that's every country.

Reports I've heard say that it's happened but I guess more info will be coming soon. ASSOCIATED PRESS Oct 8, 10:55 PM EDT North Korea says nuclear test successful SEOUL, South Korea (AP) -- North Korea's official news agency said Monday the country has performed a successful nuclear test.

BBC 1 in the UK now......Panorama is about infected blood, Factor 8 product. I doubt they will have the balls to talk about Bayer being caught red handed selling HIV infected blood products in the US and then in Europe and Japan. They will probably just talk about individuals but we'll see. Flashback.......http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XS3mhjt7TrY

I haven't forgot!!

Yeah, away from this thread....good call.

I've just read through this thread and it's truely pathetic. Some of the comments made are so completely backwards that there really is no words to describe how much disgust I feel towards the some people. Comments like: "Being Gay is wrong" "Because you are born a certian way (i.e Gay) does not make it right" "All men are created equal but gays lower THEMSELVES" "THEY'RE the ones who are gay" "THEY'RE the ones who made that decision to be gay - thus, they shot THEMSELVES in the foot" "If it is so normal, why wasn't it taught in the sixtees?" WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE? WHO FUCKED UP ALL YOUR MORALS....YOUR HUMAN MORALS, NOT YOUR RELIGIOUS HANG-UPS!!! It's that simple - the comments are 100% wrong and I don't care for anyone who thinks otherwise.

:laugh3: haha....your're not alone there.

It's a sad state of play when these people are being purosely allowed to get into the UK this way.

Al Qaeda Tapes: Direct Link To Military Psyops And Donald Rumsfeld Following the trail for five minutes leads to Pentagon Steve Watson | October 5 2006 Related Articles... Related: Surprise Surprise, It's Another Al Qaeda Blockbuster Release Related: Atta's Father Says Video Fake, Credibility of 'Hijackers Tape' Crumbles and U.S. Government Caught Red-Handed Releasing Staged Al-Qaeda Videos Following on from our three features on the latest dubious Al Qaeda video, We can reveal that further investigation into the origin of Al Qaeda video and tape release leads straight back to US military intelligence and Donald Rumsfeld. The origin of the latest video, starring Mohammed Atta and flight 93 hijacker Ziad Jarrah, has been swept under the carpet by the mainstream media who bizarrely admit that the government has had the tape since late 2001 but still suggest it is a new release by Al Qaeda. Interesting also is the fact that in an NBC article, they admit that before receiving the "exclusive US analysis" of the London Sunday Times' tape, they had filed a Freedom of Information Act request for the same tape of Atta earlier this year: "The Sunday Times said it had obtained the video “through a previously tested channel” but gave no further details. NBC News filed a Freedom of Information Act request for the videotapes early this year, but the Pentagon has not yet turned them over. " This is an open admission that it is the Pentagon that has released this tape and not Al Qaeda. this dovetails with our previous analysis that revealed that the footage has been seen before in a docudrama, the Road to Guantanamo, where it is shown to detainees at camp Delta as an intelligence surveillance tape. Along with experts on Islamic terrorist groups who are baffled by the video and have declared that it has come from a security agency, the very journalist who received the tape also says the source was not Al Qaeda. It is also interesting that this journalist, Yousri Fouda is not only a Sunday Times journalist but also the London Bureau Chief of Al Jazeera. He is the guy who normally breaks all the Al Qaeda tapes anyway, so really the London Times connection is just a smokescreen. All evidence indicates that the tapes are provided to Fouda and Al Jazeera by As Sahab, the "production company" of Al Qaeda, via a group known as Intelcenter, who also SELL the videos online. Intelcenter normally have the tapes available for sale as soon as they are released, indeed in the past they have even predicted when they are going to get a tape before it is released, as they did with the second London bomber tape on the anniversary of 7/7. Intel center is run by Ben Venzke, who is an interesting character. A Google search results in the revelation that he used to be the director of intelligence at a company called IDEFENSE, which is a verisign company. IDEFENSE is a web security company that monitors intelligence from the middle east conflicts and focuses on cyber threats among other things. It is also heavily populated with long serving ex military intelligence officials. The Director of Threat intelligence, Jim Melnick, served 16 years in the US army and the Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA) and worked in psychological operations. From the IDEFENSE website: Prior to joining iDefense, Mr. Melnick served with distinction for more than 16 years in the U.S. Army and the Defense Intelligence Agency. During this period, Mr. Melnick served in a variety of roles, including psychological operations, international warning issues with emphasis on foreign affairs and information operations and Russian affairs. He also served in active political/military intelligence roles with an emphasis on foreign affairs. Mr. Melnick is currently a U.S. Army Reserve Colonel with Military Intelligence, assigned to the Office of the Secretary of Defense. Mr. Melnick has been published in numerous military and foreign affairs journals, and has received numerous military and DIA awards. Mr. Melnick has a Master of Arts in National Security and Strategic Studies from the U.S. Naval War College, a Master of Arts in Russian studies from Harvard University, and a Bachelor of Arts with Honors in Political Science from Westminster College. So here we have a company that by it's own admission has a senior military psy-op intelligence officer who has worked directly for Donald Rumsfeld. As Intelcenter and Ben Venzke are directly connected to IDEFENSE, this puts Rumsfeld 3 small steps away from the Al Qaeda propaganda videos. The NBC "US analysis" should be the focus of the latest tape and not the Times articles. It is an astounding piece of psyop propaganda that attempts in a shoddy way to fill in the "gaps" in 9/11 intelligence. The analyst, Evan Coleman, after admitting that the Pentagon has been "sitting on it" goes on to say: "It is important for people to watch and realize that this video is conclusive proof that 9/11 was orchestrated by Al Qaeda at the most senior levels." He then makes a direct assault on the 9/11 truth movement by saying: "This is the kind of video proof that is going to put a lot of 9/11 conspiracy theorists out in the cold and for good reason." View the video below: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DPgtn9ZAkf4 Coleman contradicts himself throughout his own report by saying the Pentagon has had the video since 2001 whilst still towing the line that it was Al Qaeda that released the video. The U.S. government's role in obtaining and carefully stage-managing the dissemination of these tapes, many of them old footage re-released over and over again, is now without a doubt manifestly obvious and demands immediate Congressional investigation. Please spread this information wide and help us expose the most duplicitous and manipulative administration in history, a regime that is engaging in psychological warfare against the American people.

We learned a bit about jews, hindu, Sikh, islam too but it wasn't the main focus. Well, I was just talking about what we experienced at our schools - in County Durham.

Yep, there's Religious Education (R.E) or Religious Instruction (R.I) taught to 11 - 16 year olds. You can actually get out of the class if you are a Jehovah's Witnesses etc...or if you just aren't religious you could ask your parents to write I letter I guess (I wish I had done that). Although most people didn't realise that when I was at School. Anyway...they are (well, they were) mostly Christian teachings but we did look at other religions and their beliefs. We even took exams in R.E as standard....I wasn't happy about it then and now when I look back it's not right really....they should allow options to everyone at the start and you could take another class, one which you actaully WANT to do. And if I remember back to when I was 4 through 11 we had only white children at my school and that was just because there wasn't any black or asians in the area - and we were taught the Bible and had Christmas Nativity plays without anyone having to not take part. It was taken as the rule...that everyone was Christian and they believed in God. It's like there was no other way. And I just think to how much time I wasted. And that might seem funny to some people but I simply don't need a faith to be good, to do good and have a heathly, happy life. And I think that people need to be given the options.

Hey, I don't find it attractive but that's because I am hetro. And what do you mean, it's not right? You said it's natural and it's a right, so I asume you mean it's not "right" for some other reason....which is?

It boils down to a couple of things..... People who are gay didn't make that choice. It's all out of their control.. People who are disgusted with 2 gay guys walking down the street holding hands need to seek some help... I don't think there needs to be a class in schools about it exactly but there should be a focus on making kids more aware that it does exist....I imagine growning up as a hidden gay child at school is fucking tough....but if the kid knows that people are being made aware of homosexuality and how it's a part of life then it's going to make it a whole lot easier for many people. It is true that homosexuals are against than grain of mother nature.....it's obvious to anyone because human sexual nature is to procreate....BUT I do not agree that there should be any laws at all that stop gay people being happy or giving them less rights. It's obvious. I'm in NO WAY religious....NOT AT ALL and if people who are religious feel the need to shout about how much homosexuals are annoying them then they should not do it around me because you people aren't the divine rulers of people......people who are just trying to live their lives....not your life....but theirs.

Oh dear.

I think your not going to like what most of the people say.

North American Union threat gets attention of congressmen Resolution aimed at blocking merger, funding of 'NAFTA superhighways' World Net Daily | October 2 2006 WASHINGTON – While several members of Congress have denied any knowledge of efforts to build "NAFTA superhighways" or move America closer to a union with Mexico and Canada, four members of the House have stepped up to sponsor a resolution opposing both initiatives. Rep. Virgil Goode Jr., R-Va., has introduced a resolution – H.R. 487 – designed to express "the sense of Congress that the United States should not engage in the construction of a North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) Superhighway System or enter into a North American Union (NAU) with Mexico and Canada." "Now that Congress is preparing to take up the issues of the North American Union and NAFTA superhighways, we are moving out of the realm where critics can attempt to disparage the discussion as 'Internet conspiracy theory,'" explained Jerome Corsi, author and WND columnist who has written extensively on the Security and Prosperity Partnership – the semisecret plan many suspect is behind the efforts to create a European Union-style North American confederation and link Mexico and Canada with more transcontinental highways and rail lines. "This bill represents a good first step." Corsi explained to WND that the Bush administration is trying to create the North American Union incrementally, under the radar scope of public attention. "Even today," said Corsi, SPP.gov has a 'Myths vs. Facts' section that denies the administration is changing laws or working to create a new regional government. Unfortunately, the many references on SPP.gov to Cabinet-level working groups creating new trilateral memoranda of understanding and other trilateral agreements makes these denials sound hollow." The resolution introduced by Goode had three co-sponsors: Reps. Thomas Tancredo, R-Colo., Ron Paul, R-Texas, and Walter Jones, R-N.C. The "whereas" clauses of the resolution lay out the case against the North American Union and NAFTA Superhighways as follows: Whereas, according to the Department of Commerce, United States trade deficits with Mexico and Canada have significantly widened since the implementation of the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA); Whereas the economic and physical security of the United States is impaired by the potential loss of control of its borders attendant to the full operation of NAFTA; Whereas a NAFTA Superhighway System from the west coast of Mexico through the United States and into Canada has been suggested as part of a North American Union; Whereas it would be particularly difficult for Americans to collect insurance from Mexican companies which employ Mexican drivers involved in accidents in the United States, which would increase the insurance rates for American drivers; Whereas future unrestricted foreign trucking into the United States can pose a safety hazard due to inadequate maintenance and inspection, and can act collaterally as a conduit for the entry into the United States of illegal drugs, illegal human smuggling, and terrorist activities; Whereas a NAFTA Superhighway System would be funded by foreign consortiums and controlled by foreign management, which threatens the sovereignty of the United States. The resolution calls for the House of Representatives to agree on three issues of determination: The United States should not engage in the construction of a North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) Superhighway System; The United States should not enter into a North American Union with Mexico and Canada; and The President should indicate strong opposition to these or any other proposals that threaten the sovereignty of the United States. "As important as this resolution is," Corsi said, "we need still more congressional attention. Where is congressional oversight of SPP? We need congressional hearings, not just congressional resolutions." H.Con.Res.487 has been referred to the Committee on Transportation and Infrastructure and to the Committee on Internal Relations for consideration prior to any debate that may be scheduled on the floor of the House of Representatives.

What absolute BS. I'm sorry but the way you have been taught history is completely skewed.

Problems within the government on the plan for Iran it seems... US may accept Iranian nuclear bomb Sarah Baxter / London Times | October 1 2006 AMERICA is going to have to learn to live with a nuclear Iran, US intelligence analysts have concluded at a secret meeting near Washington. Senior operatives and outside experts from the intelligence community were almost unanimous in their view that little could be done to stop Iran acquiring the components for a nuclear bomb, The Sunday Times has learnt. Bombing Iran’s nuclear facilities was rejected on the grounds that the intelligence needed for successful air strikes was lacking. “We only have an imperfect understanding of the extent and location of the Iranian programme,” said one source with knowledge of the meeting. “Even if we got the order to blow it up, we wouldn’t know how to.” The White House’s earlier enthusiasm for military strikes if all else failed has cooled after warnings from the Pentagon and intelligence analysts that the risk to reward ratio of taking action was too high. At best 80% of the targets are mapped out and then only sketchily. The “collateral damage” to civilians could be considerable, sources say. “Unless you can be 100% effective and set the programme back by two decades, you’ll just get a short-term delay and you may not produce a result that is better than the current one,” an intelligence analyst said. General John Abizaid, commander of US forces in the Middle East, has warned that striking Iran could cripple oil supplies, unleash a “surrogate” terrorist army and lead to missile attacks on America’s regional allies. The army is particularly concerned about Iran’s ability to destabilise an already chaotic Iraq. John Negroponte, director of national intelligence, has told President George W Bush that there is no rush to use force as Iran’s nuclear programme is beset with technical errors. “He has been saying, ‘Slow down, it’s not an immediate problem’,” said Patrick Clawson, an Iran expert at the Washington Institute for Near East Policy. Condoleezza Rice, the secretary of state, has staked her reputation on achieving a negotiated settlement with the help of the “EU3” nations of Britain, France and Germany. “President Bush is not going to take military action against the advice of the secretary of state, US generals and the director of national intelligence,” Clawson said. British sources confirmed that the military option was receding. “There are clear signs that the White House is keener on following a political approach,” said a senior British source. “There’s never been an appetite in the Pentagon for taking Iran on and the EU3 might get a deal that would bring the Iranians to the negotiating table in a reasonable fashion.” Despite reports that the Iranians were willing to suspend their programme secretly, President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has defiantly announced that Iran’s “atomic work” will not stop for a single day. Intelligence analysts concluded at last week’s meeting that there were no negotiating carrots or sticks, such as sanctions, capable of persuading Iran to halt its pursuit of nuclear know-how — which it maintains is for peaceful energy purposes. “The sobering view is that even if there is a deal, the Iranians would cheat,” another source said. “The conclusion is that America is going to have to live with the bomb unless there’s some miracle, such as a major accident, a major defector or an orange revolution,” the source added, referring to the people’s protests that brought reformers to power in Ukraine. None of these scenarios is considered likely. In a sign that a military option remains theoretically on the table, a group of minesweepers that could be used to clear any potential Iranian oil blockade of the Strait of Hormuz have been given “prepare to deploy” orders, which could see them leaving port for the Gulf as early as today. The biggest deterrent might come from the Israelis, not the Americans. Israeli defence sources are increasingly convinced that it will fall to them to stop a nuclear Iran. In their view Iran should not be allowed to get to the “point of no return” where it has the know-how to build a bomb. “The Israelis are going to have to make a decision earlier than we do,” Clawson said. “That’s a real problem for us.” As if they ever really wanted a bomb.

Missing Link Atta “Martyrdom” Video Appears Five Weeks Before Election Kurt Nimmo | October 1 2006 Suddenly, with the midterm election five weeks away, a previously undiscovered video emerges, showing Mohammed Atta “reading his ‘martyrdom’ will inside Afghanistan at Usama bin Laden’s headquarters.” In another segment, Atta appears with Ziad Jarrah, who, according to the official nine eleven fairy tale, was the pilot of “United Airlines Flight 93, which crashed in Pennsylvania after the passengers apparently stormed the flight deck,” according to Fox News. As an extra added bonus, the tape shows Ramzi Binalshibh, the “senior” al-Qaeda leader and Hamburg cell member, supposedly captured after a gunbattle in Karachi, Pakistan, on September 11, 2002, and handed over to the United States. The “high quality, unedited film” is being hyped as a missing link in the official mythology. “American and German investigators have struggled to find evidence of Atta’s whereabouts in January 2000 after he disappeared from Hamburg. The hour-long tape places him in Afghanistan at a decisive moment in the development of the conspiracy when he was given operational command. Months later both he and Jarrah enrolled at flying schools in America.” And yet, according to the Berliner Zeitung newspaper, “Atta was under surveillance by CIA agents while in Germany from January to May, 2000…. The Americans did not inform German law enforcement authorities of their observation of Atta, or of the reasons that they considered him suspicious…. But the CIA apparently also hid its incendiary findings from other agencies of the United States government,” thus allowing him to gain a U.S. entry visa on May 18, 2000. Other reports put him in Mabalacat, Philippines, staying at the Woodland Resort hotel where he was observed by locals drinking “Johnnie Walker Black Label whiskey” and sleeping around, a story grossly at odds with the behavior of Atta’s pious doppelgänger recording a “martyrdom video” at approximately the same time in Kandahar, Afghanistan (the presence of the carousing Atta in the Philippines was reported by the Manila Times, 10/2/2001, the International Herald Tribune, 10/5/2001, and the Associated Press, 9/28/2001). Of course, none of this matters, as the idea here is to keep the American people on point as the Bushcons attempt to remain in control of Congress, not that Democrats can be expected to wander much from the neocon forever war agenda, inflated by fake terrorism and elusive, one-step-ahead terrorists, Freddy Kruger phantoms designed to keep the “clash of civilizations” going indefinitely. Moreover, the neocons are no doubt concerned about the fact that, according to a recent Zogby poll, “less than half of the American public trusts the official 9/11 story or believes the attacks were adequately investigated.” In May of this year, Zogby America reported: “Close to half (48%) agrees the U.S. government and 9/11 Commission are not covering up anything, yet nearly as many (42%) believe the government and 9/11 Commission are covering up. One in ten (10%) is unsure.” In order to get us back in the fold, the neocons are engaging in a full-court press, releasing the missing link Atta video and, as well, yet another Ayman al-Zawahri video, a follow-up to “a string of videos for the anniversary of Sept. 11, showing increasingly sophisticated production techniques in a likely effort to demonstrate that it remains a powerful, confident force despite the U.S.-led war on terror,” as USA Today characterized it. All of this reeks of desperation, as the latest “al-Qaeda” and “al-Qaeda-linked” videos show the desecrated bodies of US soldiers in Iraq and issue threats against Pope Benedict XVI, obvious attempts to enrage Americans. Naturally, as increasing numbers of Americans are either weary of all this or simply ignore it, we can expect an October Surprise, as promised by Segretti understudy Karl Rove. “It should come as no surprise if the Bush Administration undertakes a preemptive war against Iran sometime before the November election,” writes former senator Gary Hart, victim of the Republican engineered “Zippergate” scandal. “In more rational times, including at the height of the Cold War, bizarre actions such as unilateral, unprovoked, preventive war are dismissed by thoughtful, seasoned, experienced men and women as mad. But those qualities do not characterize our current leadership,” infested with neocons determined to “remake our national character,” a key objective of the Schmittian fascists. In Bushzarro world, where up is down and black is white, such things are not only possible, they are increasingly likely as Bush nears the end of his reign of terror.

Oh boy........More fake tapes...whens that mid-term election again ....:rolleyes:... The laughing '9-11 bombers' London Times / Yosri Fouda | October 1 2006 Comment: Karl Rove promised an October surprise and here it is on October the first. A mysteriously previously undiscovered video of Mohammed Atta reading his will at Osama's HQ before 9/11. Note that there is no sound so voice analysis is not possible. Watch the video: Osama Bin Laden's HQ FILM of the ringleader of the September 11 hijackers reading his “martyrdom” will inside Afghanistan at Osama Bin Laden’s headquarters has emerged five years after the Al-Qaeda outrage. It is the first time that a videotape has appeared of Mohammed Atta — who flew an American Airlines plane into the north tower of the World Trade Center — at a training camp in Afghanistan. It fills in a significant gap in the timing of the build-up to the attacks on the United States. Dates on the tape show Atta was filmed on January 18, 2000, together with Ziad Jarrah, the pilot of United Airlines flight 93, which crashed in Pennsylvania after the passengers apparently stormed the flight deck. The Sunday Times has obtained a copy of the video through a previously tested channel. The tape has no soundtrack and a US source said lip readers had tried without success to decipher what was being said. Despite the deadly tasks the men had been assigned, they appear in high spirits, laughing and smiling in front of the camera. Only when Atta, with an AK-47 propped on a wall beside him, reads a document marked in Arabic “the will”, does he become solemn. Both are well groomed, without the haggard appearance of the identity mugshots issued after September 11. The high quality, unedited film shows Bin Laden addressing his followers at the mud-walled complex near Kandahar. One of the main figures in the September 11 plot, Ramzi Binalshibh, is identifiable in the crowd, as is a bodyguard whose task was to kill Bin Laden with two bullets to the head if he faced capture. Dating on the tape indicates that the Al-Qaeda leader was filmed on January 8, 2000, 10 days before Atta and Jarrah recorded their wills. American and German investigators have struggled to find evidence of Atta’s whereabouts in January 2000 after he disappeared from Hamburg. The hour-long tape places him in Afghanistan at a decisive moment in the development of the conspiracy when he was given operational command. Months later both he and Jarrah enrolled at flying schools in America. Investigators have also puzzled over the fact that unlike the rest of the hijackers — most of whom were young Saudi fundamentalists — Atta and Jarrah were well educated and appeared to fit into western society while studying in Germany. The video indicates how easily they slipped from a western identity to a fundamentalist one. It also shows up the subterfuge they maintained in Germany and America that they did not know each other, all part of evading detection.

Comment: Once again a Government's intelligence agency is revealed to be behind terror attacks and in control of the "Islamists". The ISI is basically an extension of the CIA in the middle east.

And it's not "Global Warming" it's climate change and we are being fooled.

Pakistan 'role in Mumbai attacks' BBC | September 30 2006 Pakistan's intelligence agency was behind the train blasts in Mumbai in July that killed 186 people, Indian police say. The attacks were planned by the ISI and carried out by the Islamist militant group Lashkar-e-Toiba, based in Pakistan, Mumbai's police chief said. AN Roy said the Students' Islamic Movement of India had also assisted. Pakistan rejected the allegations and said India had given no evidence of Pakistani involvement in the attacks. "We have solved the 11 July bombings case. The whole attack was planned by Pakistan's ISI and carried out by Lashkar-e-Toiba and their operatives in India," Mumbai (Bombay) police commissioner AN Roy told a news conference. 'Baseless' Mr Roy said 15 people had been arrested, and that some of the bombers had received training in Pakistan. Tariq Azim Khan, Pakistan's minister of state for information, rejected the allegations. "We are still studying the Indian statement. Needless to say, this is once again baseless allegations - yet another attempt by India to malign Pakistan," he told the BBC. "Both the president and the prime minister condemned this terrorist attack on the train when it happened. But India also must look at home for reasons for this growing insurgency at home," he said. On 11 July 2006, seven co-ordinated blasts within 15 minutes ripped through trains on Mumbai's busy commuter network. Indian security officials suggested early on in their investigations that the bombings bore the hallmarks of Lashkar-e-Toiba, a leading militant group fighting in Kashmir and based in Pakistan. Pakistan denied any involvement in the blasts and Lashkar-e-Toiba condemned the attacks. India postponed talks with Pakistan after the bombs, but Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh and Pakistani President Pervez Musharraf met recently in Cuba and said they had agreed to resume talks. The two nations, both nuclear armed, have fought three wars since independence, two over the disputed territory of Kashmir.

Haha, you're right there ^^ Camp Jesus would be more fun wouldn't it?