Gautama

Billy Idol vs Roxy Music

yes Talking Heads

A good article to wrap this thread up, imo: http://www.nytimes.com/2004/12/24/news/24iht-europa_ed3_.html?pagewanted=1&_r=1&sq=Daschner&st=cse&scp=9

yes The Doors

PH vs. Panda Bear

Thank You- Alanis Morisette

Kraftwerk

No Zoo Kid

The Wings vs. Billy Joel

Quoting Imke: "Hmm, I do see your point, Valerie. But if we give policemen or government officials the right to decide whether someone deserves his human rights or not, then how are we supposed to know that they're not gonna take them from us at some point too?" Please try and stick to a specific case, Imke. Because what you say here is generally sound- (I mean...OF COURSE!!!) but rather sweeping. We also don't rule out trials and court cases, though they sometimes lead to inprisonment (also a grave constraint of human rights) of innocents. If you or I got arrested under all the given circumstances of this very case, I cannot see how you/me should not get threatened with getting punched up just exactly by the police or othergovernment force. I discussed this topic with at least 10 persons the last days, among them a retired policeman, who has real life experience with interrogations and human beings of all sorts from 40 years of patrolling duty (and isn't a sadistic revanchist)- two of my siblings, who are fully examined jurists, the rest being laypeople (for they often have a healthier common sense than jurists). It's not an easy case. I had a heated debate with myself, because I wished I was so sure about this as you fundamentally against use of coercion are. But I'm not any longer, since ever I've heard about this case. And I cannot be sure BECAUSE of grave ethical and moral reasons. I'd very much rather take into account that an accomplice (that at least was clear, since he had picked up the ransom and started spending it)/probable abductor in such an extremely rare and extraordinary case gets punched-up unjustified, than accepting the further harm and maybe death of an entirely innocent person, by sticking to strict adherence to the human rights, out of angst that that inevitably will lead to a softening of the general intolerance of torture as a means of interrogation and thus to a police state. Here are two articles about this specific case from the NYT, which might help the gentle reader to understand, that there are indeed dire situations (and yes, they are very rare) where a sane human conscience is being brought to a point, where he uses a severe threat to an arrested person. http://www.nytimes.com/2003/04/10/world/kidnapping-has-germans-debating-police-torture.html?scp=3&sq=G%C3%A4fgen&st=cse This second link leads to an article which comments on the verdict of the European Court for Human Rights in Strasbourg. The said abductor and murderer who has been sentenced to life imprisonment had filed for a lawsuit there in Strasbourg, because of that threat. Look how they reacted. http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/30/world/europe/30iht-rights.4.14109189.html?scp=1&sq=G%C3%A4fgen&st=cse And now, that I've bravely banned any polemic in the above, I need to air the following: Political correctness sucks so so so so much. :mad: I cannot understand any person who could have leant back in that interrogation. I don't understand any person, who wouldn't at least have the impulse to want to fry this whining ****'s testicles in a long and agonizing process.

I feel like I get a lot of coverage of the revolutions in Syria and Yemen in the german and the two international papers that I usually flip through/ read. It isn't as emotional as the coverage of the Egyptian and Libyan (ugh, I had written Lybian before :p) uprisings though. The inscrutable dynamics of journalism and it's writers/editors. Strange. edit: What's actually is going on in Lebanon?

I'll be posting my thingy anyway, it's just not in a presentable let alone comprehensible form yet.

Am working on an answer. It might take a couple of days since it's so tricky and I want to do it justice. Btw. this tricky case led to a fundamental debate among jurists/ legal scholars. Three groups/opinions did form out ultimately. One of which of course is yours, namely to strictly follow adherence to the human rights. The other two groups saw a need for a systemic reform. Sadly, I cannot find that text atm, but haven't given up on it yet.

no Clinic

Radiohead vs Miles Davis

Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band - The Beatles

^ It's not accessible in my country [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9s1I1TZqJg]YouTube - The Beatles Strawberry Fields Forever [HQ] LONG VERSION[/ame]

Radiohead vs Pink Floyd

The Yippies

Fuck yeah! :kiss:

John Lennon vs Thom Yorke

^Yeah sure! Now that the Beatles' material is included I'll have to change to 'The Fool On The Hill' from Paul. Joanna Newsom

Hello?

Mull of Kintyre George Harrison

Ultravox