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Yeah, that's how I see it, too. edit: I don't understand, why so many people are so scared about sustainability. The yseem to be unable to grasp the concept of it, non? All those nonsensical stories about falling back into the middleages, technically. It's really amazing.

^ Oooh, that's so black and white! Anarchy would be great, if too many people weren't such ignorant asshats. To get those to understand things, you sadly need to teach them. Why not by a democratically elected government, that puts a lot of thought and common sense into its actions. :D Example 1 I'm very happy with not having a speed limit on our Autobahnen, for example. But when you only have a shitty slow car, how can you possibly tolerate those drivers, who literally drive their more powerful vehicles up into your neck, coercing you out of their way? That was very common and indulged behaviour. Even if slower, you sometimes want to pass others, and thus need to change to the left driveway, right? So since some people cannot control themselves, I appreciated that (after some terrible accidents) there were more severe disciplinary actions imposed on Autobahn bullying. Since then, it's gotten much better, and you can still drive your 230 kmh if you can. Example 2 My son just had sex education in school. He's 9 years, and I was very positively surprised about how the state's organs in charge of health and education try to enlighten the kids in that respect. There was an ABC book thingy and it had for example under L: Lesbians: women who love and have sex with other women, which is totally normal (same for gay). And then off to the next topic. Short, precise, enlightening. This is so very very good for so many reasons!!!! There are kids of kurdish and turkish and arch-catholic polish and conservative protestant german backgrounds in that class. A state's teacher and official books telling them, that it is utterly normal to be interested in porn and in those books showing drawings of couples not hidden under blankets but in their full nakedness, woman on top, well, and casually announcing that homosexuality is normal, that's just really, really good, imo. Because there might never be anyone to tell them, that it's ok and actually even very good to be curious about sexuality and all it's associated topics and to openly talk about it in society. All I try to illustrate with these examples is, that I do concur that governments should only regulate as little a possible (of course!), but also as much as neccessary to provide some sort of civilised setting, for each to develop until people all get it and anarchy is really possible and working out fine. By the by you are right about the philistine joylessness of many conservative greens. They do indeed seek refuge in a world of uniformed drabness of organically dyed, assymetrical linens and dodgy restrictions. But they are not the popular ones. Did you grow up under the G.W. Bush era? That would explain your horror of too much (highly dodgy) administration, I guess? But I think, you should differenciate a bit more. Unless you try to provoke reflection through exaggeration. Btw. I never expect anyone to read my more epic posts. :P And to come back to the topic, I say it again, the decision to step out of nuclear energy was pretty much led on by the people, and not coerced by the government.

^^ :P ^ NOTHING, Ricardo...... Most of the persons who've died of this E.coli outbreak were women. Which was strange and made everybody wonder why. Sprouts being the source totally explained it to me. Most men I know would never buy, grow or happily eat sprouts.

Awesomeness.

:surprised::wideeyed: Now that's a lovely story! :pleased:

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So it seems it were contaminated sprouts. All from an organic farm where they fertilize their crops with dung produced in biogas plants= great hatcheries for new multiply resistent superbugs. http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/11/world/europe/11ecoli.html?_r=1&hp That's why it hit mostly women. Men don't voluntarily eat sprouts, do they. Unless they are of the mircobiotic, haggard, recumbent-bycicle driving sort. And since people here don't wash, this virulent EHEC also spread via smear infection in addition to getting infected by consuming those sprouts. I wonder if that's the end of the story already.

Hahahaha, that was great Violet! How did you manage not to roflol while singing these lyrics of genius? :wideeyed::lol:

no The Rolling Stones

Revolution #9- The Beatles

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Dear Prudence- The Beatles

wtf

^No, it has not been mentioned yet. And yep, that's something we have to live with.

They feared a meltdown might uhm melt right DOWN into the ground and then the groundwater (imagine the consequences of that happening!) and since it's so ridiculously placed also into the pacific ocean. Which is already radioactively polluted anyway, but a melting trough the ground would have made it far worse. Having it covered up would mean you cannot reach stuff to prevent exactly that melt-down any longer. By the way the sarcophagus of Chernobyl is pretty rotten, they will have to build a new and even bigger one around it. If it cracks open again, we will have a similar scenario to 1986. Nuclear energy is shit in the hands of us at our current state of evolution.

I guess Currywurst and Pølser might be safe. Just don't eat anything uncooked and bring a bottle of desinfection-spray for your hands. With about 500 new cases in the last 24 hours alone, I think it's time to get hysterical.

Supplement to my previous post: I don't want to coquet with me being too simple to get it though. I don't believe in the bits that I got from true liberalism so far. People aren't good enough for it yet. It would lead to a survival of the fittest, which I'm very much against. That's more it, and that's why I cannot concentrate on it, I guess.

Saffire, I get it that our approaches on how to handle things ( you utterly liberal, me a starry-eyed idealist (convinced that idealism is essentially more realistic than anything else) with a strong feeling that people need to be educated, preferably within their families, but when that isn't provided any longer, then by the state- that our approaches are like two sides of one coin. Totally contrarian, is it? I wish I could spin my brain around studying the basics of economic sciences, so to be a real and interesting person to discuss classical liberalism with. Sadly, I don't even know what that exactly is. Not to a satisfying content at least. and I flee it like there is no tomorrow. :/ So I'm sorry, if I probably mess around with what your ideals are, I'm just too lazy (and maybe even dumb :disappointed: ) to get it. ME:The demand of a big part of german people for nuclear power has ceased to exist. That's how things go, non? YOU: If the demand really did cease to exist, perhaps the government wouldn't need to point guns at them and force them to shut down the plants. It's not coerced by government, government follows the people here. Hence i said that the demand for nuclear power isn't backed by the majority any longer. Many many people are anti-nuclear power. They have been for decades now. Voters in the last three or four federal state elections went very green, I mean very very very green, that is. I think you mix up cause and effect. I think we'll have to leave it like that maybe? Different approaches, eveyone means good.

Even if they only did it for votes, I don't really care ( this being a very shortened version of what I'm actually thinking about how the CDU and the superbly headless FDP have been acting the last couple of months), because I do endorse the direction of it so much. We'll have to see how much a dynamic process this will become. To me it seems like a very influential and powerful step towards the dawning of the age of aquarius. Metaphorically speaking. Yep, it's not as hysterical as it seems from the outside. Imagine we can make it happen ( without loosing Porsche and ...well I don't know what you Aussies connect to randy german engineering), it would be a great booster detonation for the rest of the world. Somebody needs to start it!!!! Against all the alleged odds.

Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band- The Beatles

I think too, that solar power will play the biggest role in the long run. Combined with refined insulating of buildings etc, pp. Why is it just and only idiocy to try and find alternatives to nuclear power, when we haven't resolved the storage problem of old fuel rods? I personally feel unwell to bequest future generations with that problem. It's not a responsible approach to leave that out of the discussion either, imo. I know you see the world from the mercantile perspective, which is fair enough, since it's still such a strong motivation and regulating system, but I would find your post more interesting if you would admid (if you agree, that is), that we are facing a time of dire need of structural adjustments. Ecologically for example, and also in trade or governing itself. The demand of a big part of german people for nuclear power has ceased to exist. That's how things go, non? You wouldn't want the government to ignore peoples' pledges just to subsidise people and industries who've chosen a career that didn't have a long prognosis. Not you, Saffire, or did I get something wrong? If so I'm sorry, I'm hardly here to say I know things better or best. But my instincts tell me, that nuclear power isn't the best way of producing energy. Not in the hand of us erratic breed anyway. Nobody ever laments over all the jobs lost because of our firms' outsourcing the production of goods to China. It must be the same in the US. Far more jobs have been lost this way, haven't they? And they are really lost. Here we replace one system which isn't trusted any longer by another system. There will be new jobs. I didn't exactly think, that you might be that genius mind Chuck Sir, hahah. :P But I figured that you are well informed on what's hot in the current state of green engineering. Thanks for presenting all the means we could use as of today here. Btw, in Germany almost all people who renovate their houses now wrap them up in a thick layer of damming material, there are solar panels on not only private but many official buildings, such as schools, etc. What's happening in the US in that regard?

You cannot know, but the date of 2022 was already a done deal targeted at by the previous leading parties and only thrown over last winter by our current gov. So that Merkel changed her mind after Fukushima was a u-turn for her, but the country as such was there before. We always had a strong anti-nuclear movement, not least because of the impact of Chernobyl. That were strangeand irritating times back then, even in Germany (the nuclear cloud reached out to the west as far as France). I also don't get how a fault line alone is a reason to not invest in nuke power any longer. I mean, what's your problem with that? What's so ridiculous or wrong about trying to find other means of producing electricity?

I'm so tired of that whacky nonsense. So let's do it! I'm serious!! But as I said, I need to sleep now, have a good night. :hug: