Prince Myshkin

United in the Europa League!

Just general stuff.

So the other day I was thinking about whether there definitely has to be a God in the universe. I have strong atheistic leanings though would never outrightly describe myself as an atheist (currently). I am however anti-theistic (as some posters will be aware due to my criticism of all religions on the board). Anyway, in my thinking I came across something I'd not considered before. I'm positive it is not any form of new thinking, but it is for me and so I figured I'd share with the board. I expect some other posters will have come to this hypothesis as a natural conclusion to considering the idea of a Godless universe, so please don't think I've made the thread to show off. My thoughts were that if it is possible for a God to exist without any creator and then go on to create the universe in all its wonder and complexities, then surely it would also be possible for the universe to exist without a creator. After all, one would imagine this God to be far more complex and magnificent than the universe itself and so the likeliness of God to be created from nothing would seem more far fetched than the universe itself being created from nothing. I've (obviously) often asked the big question 'if God made the world who made God', but I'd never tweaked my thinking slightly on that matter and developed that questioning towards the universe itself, other than trying to get my head around the scientific theories behind the big bang etc. Feel free to discuss. Also, should likeliness be discussed if we are dealing with such extreme circumstances in the first place? I find it's important to note that this does not say that God definitely doesn't exist. I view that as impossible to prove (just like I view proving a God as impossible), but I do see this as an easy to understand hypothesis of how a Godless universe could exist. I'm surprised it's not discussed more often from this frame of thinking, or maybe it is and I'm a moron.

So many people smoke yet I've never known anybodies nipples to fall off. My nipples have been butchered anyway and I don't even smoke. Oh well.

I've never reached 10,000 posts before so I'm slowly moving towards it. As for the conversation, my girlfriend and I were talking about chance (after watching Match Point by Woody Allen in which chance plays a huge part, the conclusion hanging upon it) and then a few things like Fatalism, Determinism and Predeterminism. This then moved on to a conversation about free-will which led to me remembering the article I had posted about in this thread. I came here to find what it had said since you can't reach it from the New Scientist website.

Bump for a thread I am proud of since it came up in conversation for me tonight.

Great track to learn! In my top ten DJ songs. Bump.

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Maybe you've changed. Maybe you never properly said hello in the first place. Hi, I'm Greg.

Best thing she did (that I'm aware of, I've not listened to much) was this cover: [ame=<div align="left"> <table class="tborder" cellpadding="6" cellspacing="1" border="0" width="400" style="margin:10px 0"> <thead> <tr> <td class="tcat" colspan="2" style="text-align:center"> <a href="" title="You Tube" target="_blank">You Tube</a> </td> </tr> </thead> <tbody> <tr> <td class="panelsurround" align="center"><object width="425" height="350"> <param name="movie" value=" <param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param> <embed src=" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="350" wmode="transparent"></embed></object></td> </tr> </tbody> </table></div&gt]St. Vincent - These Days (DUMBO Session) - YouTube[/ame]

But don't you understand? The best way is not to demonise the users. The effects of crack are the same whether it is legal or not. By making it illegal, you are making criminals, and treating the users as such instead of treating them like patients, which they should be. You can never wipe out crack. It wouldn't happen. It's too easy to make. If you regulate it you can have some form of control over it, and from the tax on it improve treatment for those who need it. It isn't ideal to legalise hard drugs, but they are going to find their way no matter what, and whichever way they reach you, the effects will always be the same, illegal or legal. If they were legalised the world wouldn't all take crack you know.

So what you're saying is that them being illegal has not stopped the problems?

Hahaha West Ham. They've got to the stage where they have to take the icky medicine which helps them. Eventually they'll outgrow it and get rid, and that will be a special day. He's a decent manager for any struggling club, as long as it's not yours! Let's see how long they put up with the dross he makes his teams produce in order to keep his heart rate down.

What are your views on this? Drug decriminalisation etc.

Global war on drugs 'has failed' say former leaders

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What? :laugh3::laugh3::laugh3: Jesus Christ!

I agree with abortion being legal, though didn't even think of it since it's legal here.

It's also weird how everyone in porn is a star.

It's weird how you can have porn stars but not prostitutes.

I'm all for it being legalised. Not something I'd ever use though. But if I was the kind of person who would or wanted to offer my own services, I'd want to be able to do it in a legal and in theory safer way.

It could also be interesting to have a 'things that should be illegal' thread, but Mark would make it about Gaga.

Mike, can you copy this into the opening post? Very useful! And perhaps a reminder it is in the opening post in the global message to all participants when the playlists go out (well, global apart from the playlist you send to them).

Surely you mean 'driving a car without a license when you can drive a car', then. And I still disagree. Marijuana, for obvious reasons.