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Just because you think CNN is a "liberal news station" doesn't mean their poll data should be discredited. Evoking arguments like "liberal news station" is a little too judgemental, a little to prejudicial, a little too Rush Limbaugh.

That's true.

but the surprising thing is that 83% of the U.S. would agree with a constitutional ban...so it's not really that bad politically....but u have to admire him for doing with what he believes in... in that case its surely a propaganda stunt... thought through by his 'team' of course! Why do people think that stuff that people or politicians do that sometimes don't favor the majority is propaganda????? Please let me know..... :embarrased: how can it not be propoganda with it occurring so close to a presidential election!! I agree with you Ian, that Bush is being too populist here, but let me give the opposing argument: In California and Massachusetts there are somewhat major movements to make "gay marriage" legal. Actually, in Massachusetts it is now legal. Bush could be said to be responding to this turn of events, a turn that has just recently presented itself.

but the surprising thing is that 83% of the U.S. would agree with a constitutional ban...so it's not really that bad politically....but u have to admire him for doing with what he believes in... I don't admire people with these principles being acted upon. I respect his view, as a person, that gay marriage is wrong. I don't agree with that. I don't agree with him thinking government should outlaw this.

I think Tom was alluding to officals evoking religion when the Constitution is pretty clear about it.

but the surprising thing is that 83% of the U.S. would agree with a constitutional ban...so it's not really that bad politically....but u have to admire him for doing with what he believes in... in that case its surely a propaganda stunt... thought through by his 'team' of course! Thus numbers are wrong. how so? 64% of people don't agree with gay marriage. That's not the same as supporting amendeding the Constitution. Above you see that less than 50% of the public even wants the federal government to handle it. I imagine less than 100% of those people want the government to do something. I couldn't find a source for this, but I saw on CNN today that they did a poll where 39% of people support amending the Constitution to ban gay marriage.

From msnbc.com: "A recent nationwide CNN poll found that by a margin of 64-32, those surveyed said gay marriages should not be recognized in law as valid, with the same rights as traditional marriages. On a separate question, 48 percent of those surveyed said it should be up to the federal government to pass laws regarding gay marriages, while another 46 percent said the states should take that role. " Here's the link: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4360783/

but the surprising thing is that 83% of the U.S. would agree with a constitutional ban...so it's not really that bad politically....but u have to admire him for doing with what he believes in... in that case its surely a propaganda stunt... thought through by his 'team' of course! Thus numbers are wrong.

Bush is trying to force his opposition's hand on this issue (in addition to appease a conservative base). He's trying to force Kerry to jump off the fence he's been sitting on. It will be interesting to see Kerry try and stay on that fence.

but see the country and constitution have roots in christianity and same sex marriages aren't okay in the religion so technically it's going against the principles so maybe 200 years ago the amendment would have been a good idea. the constitution has explicit language about government not endorsing religion, so the religion argument doesn't really work.

I couldn't agree less. I don't see the harm in letting same sex couples wed. It doesn't make the partnershpi of a man and a woman mean less. It doesn't harm a heterosexual couple in any way if homosexuals are allowed to wed. I thought today was a very sad day for the country. I think years from now we'll look back on this day as a day similar to Gov. Wallace standing in front of the classrooms at the University of Alabama, attempting to keep black students out.

I think he's hanging out with Gwenyth ... ... in our fantasies :(

Re: 20 ... Well, you're still really young. When you get older, the difference might be smaller.

20? That's, like, almost double the number of fingers I have.

Exactly ... it's really an insignificant number.

You know ... Gwyneth's only about 3.5 years older than I am ... that could be important some day.

Well ... the real little children may be hungry. And what about us big children?

Well ... let's not be discouraging that. Free to be you and me :)

He does have a little rack working there.

I envision that, too. I see a lot of smiles.

:lol: Don't worry about it, hunny. Those kids don't matter.

A beautilful, young vixen

:stunned: Uh oh