mycdplayerisbroke Posted December 22, 2004 Share Posted December 22, 2004 thats not socialism, that's stealing we aren't even talking about socialism :idea2: The scientific definition of communism can't work in real life. Sure, a system of government in which everyone lives in peace while working as hard as they can to provide for the welfare of their countrymen sounds great from the administrative perspective. In real life, however, people won't work "just for the hell of it." People need an incentive. In capitalism, the incentive to work hard is to receive more compensation. In communism, there is no real incentive to work hard. If someone is told to show up at work for 8 hours a day and he will get the equivelant of $10 in compensation regardless of whether he accomplishes more than 10 men or whether he sleeps all day, guess which one he will choose. You're anchoring society at one point of advancement, as no one has a desire to work any harder than they have to. As for the "no police force or army," that is just wishful thinking. When people (remember, we're talking about real life here) see an opening, they will take it. You can't expect an entire nation of people to just play nice. Sure, communism sounds great on paper. Unfortunately, it can't work in real life. It's not just a coincidence that communism has failed in every nation that has attempted it. Anyone who supports communism has never lived in a country that has implemented it. Communism is a cult. It stresses the absence of religion (Even for you atheists, no society in history has ever retained its morals in the absence of religion) and total commitment to a national entity in which people are nothing more than numbers in a scheme of national production vs. national consumption. Sure, capitalism isn't perfect. It tends to give power to the wealthy few at the expense of the destitute many. Even if capitalism is evil, communism isn't a righteous response to capitalism and democracy. In a democracy, even one directed by the wealthy, leaders are made to answer for their decisions. In a communist government, the leadership (I hope I don't have to explain the necessity of a central leadership in any form of government) answers protesters with a trip to Siberia. The global acceptance of communism would be a steady spiral towards a world in which human beings are nothing more than than high-maintenance machines working towards some end--most likely, and here's the irony, the betterment and continued comfort of the upper (government) class. i doubt anyone of you will read that, buncha lazy asses :lol: but lotta, i won't to molest your avatar, fuck, you are ridiculously beautiful. but then you have to live in Finland! good going! k i'm being gay, you need to get on msn, darling. we used to have a saying "you can't pay me little as little as i can work"(maybe the translation isn't the best :lol:) Capitalisam requires you to find a way to earn a buck,and then when you do it you can hire other ppl to do work for you,which is nice... Altho not many have the spirit of entreprenurian...in that case you'll have to be real hardworking... There's no perfect sistem,maybe we'll live in peace when one day they invent holodeck,but nah :rolleyes: ... bijeli, i know this may be a new idea for you but: working hard gets you far in in life. *shock* haha, i don't see the hard part in grasping this concept. a doctor should make more than a road worker. it's just common sense: the doctor worked harder. you don't have to be an entrepreunor to have a nice job... The morality of socialism can be summed-up in two words: envy and self-sacrifice. Envy is the desire to not only possess another’s wealth but also the desire to see another’s wealth lowered to the level of one’s own. Capitalism is the only social system that rewards merit, ability and achievement, regardless of one’s birth or station in life. Yes, there are winners and losers in capitalism. The winners are those who are honest, industrious, thoughtful, prudent, frugal, responsible, disciplined, and efficient. The losers are those who are shiftless, lazy, imprudent, extravagant, negligent, impractical, and inefficient. if you understand what morals are, bijeli: http://www.ashbrook.org/publicat/onprin/v1n3/thompson.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kalter zug Posted December 22, 2004 Share Posted December 22, 2004 stars and stripes :lol: how creative Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bijeli_Miš Posted December 23, 2004 Share Posted December 23, 2004 thats not socialism, that's stealing we aren't even talking about socialism :idea2: The scientific definition of communism can't work in real life. Sure, a system of government in which everyone lives in peace while working as hard as they can to provide for the welfare of their countrymen sounds great from the administrative perspective. In real life, however, people won't work "just for the hell of it." People need an incentive. In capitalism, the incentive to work hard is to receive more compensation. In communism, there is no real incentive to work hard. If someone is told to show up at work for 8 hours a day and he will get the equivelant of $10 in compensation regardless of whether he accomplishes more than 10 men or whether he sleeps all day, guess which one he will choose. You're anchoring society at one point of advancement, as no one has a desire to work any harder than they have to. As for the "no police force or army," that is just wishful thinking. When people (remember, we're talking about real life here) see an opening, they will take it. You can't expect an entire nation of people to just play nice. Sure, communism sounds great on paper. Unfortunately, it can't work in real life. It's not just a coincidence that communism has failed in every nation that has attempted it. Anyone who supports communism has never lived in a country that has implemented it. Communism is a cult. It stresses the absence of religion (Even for you atheists, no society in history has ever retained its morals in the absence of religion) and total commitment to a national entity in which people are nothing more than numbers in a scheme of national production vs. national consumption. Sure, capitalism isn't perfect. It tends to give power to the wealthy few at the expense of the destitute many. Even if capitalism is evil, communism isn't a righteous response to capitalism and democracy. In a democracy, even one directed by the wealthy, leaders are made to answer for their decisions. In a communist government, the leadership (I hope I don't have to explain the necessity of a central leadership in any form of government) answers protesters with a trip to Siberia. The global acceptance of communism would be a steady spiral towards a world in which human beings are nothing more than than high-maintenance machines working towards some end--most likely, and here's the irony, the betterment and continued comfort of the upper (government) class. i doubt anyone of you will read that, buncha lazy asses :lol: but lotta, i won't to molest your avatar, fuck, you are ridiculously beautiful. but then you have to live in Finland! good going! k i'm being gay, you need to get on msn, darling. we used to have a saying "you can't pay me little as little as i can work"(maybe the translation isn't the best :lol:) Capitalisam requires you to find a way to earn a buck,and then when you do it you can hire other ppl to do work for you,which is nice... Altho not many have the spirit of entreprenurian...in that case you'll have to be real hardworking... There's no perfect sistem,maybe we'll live in peace when one day they invent holodeck,but nah :rolleyes: ... bijeli, i know this may be a new idea for you but: working hard gets you far in in life. *shock* haha, i don't see the hard part in grasping this concept. a doctor should make more than a road worker. it's just common sense: the doctor worked harder. you don't have to be an entrepreunor to have a nice job... The morality of socialism can be summed-up in two words: envy and self-sacrifice. Envy is the desire to not only possess another’s wealth but also the desire to see another’s wealth lowered to the level of one’s own. Capitalism is the only social system that rewards merit, ability and achievement, regardless of one’s birth or station in life. Yes, there are winners and losers in capitalism. The winners are those who are honest, industrious, thoughtful, prudent, frugal, responsible, disciplined, and efficient. The losers are those who are shiftless, lazy, imprudent, extravagant, negligent, impractical, and inefficient. if you understand what morals are, bijeli: http://www.ashbrook.org/publicat/onprin/v1n3/thompson.html well i was kinda putting it the simple way,i'v only lived in socialisam the first year of my life :lol: ,besides i go to economy school so i know a thing or two.About doctor i wouldn't say that doc works "harder" than let's say butcher,but his job is more responsible. But i don't totally agree with this "Welfare, regulations, taxes, tariffs, minimum-wage laws are all immoral"cuz in true capitalisam does it make sense to work hard when you can get a paycut every month.And taxes how you gonna build the roads,parks,and all the infrastructure used by the whole society,if there aren't any taxes.Leissez faire doctrine proved to unsufficant,because it led capitalistic countries to the verry edge of turning commie,and it would prolly happen if there wasn't for John M. Keyens. 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mycdplayerisbroke Posted December 23, 2004 Share Posted December 23, 2004 omg, you think a butcher works harder than a doctor? doctors sometimes do 14 hour operations on a patient. and that's not even the point, the point is: the butcher didn't have to go to as much school as the doctor.... and no, you don't need federal taxes for build those things, you can use private companies to build parks and buildings. the government doesn't build buildings, companies do... Under socialism a ruling class of intellectuals, bureaucrats and social planners decide what people want or what is good for society and then use the coercive power of the State to regulate, tax, and redistribute the wealth of those who work for a living. In other words, socialism is a form of legalized theft. you didn't even read that link i sent you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest DavidG Posted December 23, 2004 Share Posted December 23, 2004 :stunned: a butcher works harder than a doctor? wow wake up people :stunned: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mycdplayerisbroke Posted December 23, 2004 Share Posted December 23, 2004 :stunned: a butcher works harder than a doctor? wow wake up people :stunned: lmao! i know man i know Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest DavidG Posted December 23, 2004 Share Posted December 23, 2004 lol I was just thinking if thats true...im so lucky to be spending the next 13 years on my quest to being a neurosurgeon if its such an easy job! hey you know, since its so easy, I may take my bass into A&E and sing songs to the patients that arent there when I finish my medicine degree :stunned: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bijeli_Miš Posted December 23, 2004 Share Posted December 23, 2004 omg, you think a butcher works harder than a doctor? doctors sometimes do 14 hour operations on a patient. and that's not even the point, the point is: the butcher didn't have to go to as much school as the doctor.... and no, you don't need federal taxes for build those things, you can use private companies to build parks and buildings. the government doesn't build buildings, companies do... Under socialism a ruling class of intellectuals, bureaucrats and social planners decide what people want or what is good for society and then use the coercive power of the State to regulate, tax, and redistribute the wealth of those who work for a living. In other words, socialism is a form of legalized theft. you didn't even read that link i sent you I'v putted it in quotes. Ofcourse companies build roads,parks,buildings,etc but who pays them? Btw i was talking about taxes not socialisam,so what does this have to do with what i wrote "Under socialism a ruling class of intellectuals, bureaucrats and social planners decide what people want or what is good for society and then use the coercive power of the State to regulate, tax, and redistribute the wealth of those who work for a living. In other words, socialism is a form of legalized theft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mycdplayerisbroke Posted December 23, 2004 Share Posted December 23, 2004 man you have to go to the website i sent you Both socialism and capitalism have incentive programs. Under socialism there are built-in incentives to shirk responsibility. There is no reason to work harder than anyone else becuase the rewards are shared and therefore minimal to the hard-working individual; indeed, the incentive is to work less than others because the immediate loss is shared and therefore minimal to the slacker. Under capitalism, the incentive is to work harder because each producer will receive the total value of his production--the rewards are not shared. Simply put: socialism rewards sloth and penalizes hard work while capitalism rewards hard work and penalizes sloth. According to socialist doctrine, there is a limited amount of wealth in the world that must be divided equally between all citizens. One person’s gain under such a system is another’s loss. According to the capitalist teaching, wealth has an unlimited growth potential and the fruits of one’s labor should be retained in whole by the producer. But unlike socialism, one person’s gain is everybody’s gain in the capitalist system. Wealth is distributed unequally but the ship of wealth rises for everyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ambergris Posted December 26, 2004 Share Posted December 26, 2004 Going back to the business, now I say Charles Darwin. I admire him very much, and he's dead now :rolleyes: :cool: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oneulove Posted December 27, 2004 Share Posted December 27, 2004 Vincent Van Gogh...Winston Churchill ...Elizabeth I...My younger sister...Dalai Lama Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mycdplayerisbroke Posted December 27, 2004 Share Posted December 27, 2004 Going back to the business' date=' now I say Charles Darwin. I admire him very much, and he's dead now :rolleyes: :cool:[/quote'] hahah riiiiight. our ancestors were plants, charles. lmao Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whattheworldneedsnow Posted December 27, 2004 Share Posted December 27, 2004 Lindsay Lohan! no really, urm my friend Joe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ambergris Posted December 27, 2004 Share Posted December 27, 2004 Going back to the business' date=' now I say Charles Darwin. I admire him very much, and he's dead now :rolleyes: :cool:[/quote'] hahah riiiiight. our ancestors were plants, charles. lmao :lol: That sounds typically conservative Christian, I just reciently saw a program about it in NG channel. People like that make me think of religion as something archaic against Science and development :( , they are against it and they don't even know anything aboit it!! an impediment for education!!! Science just try to explain world and make advances. You cannot discuss with it cause it is based on studies experimentation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mycdplayerisbroke Posted December 27, 2004 Share Posted December 27, 2004 it's a theory you nerd. the big bang was a theory too. a shit one at that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ambergris Posted December 27, 2004 Share Posted December 27, 2004 it's a theory you nerd. the big bang was a theory too. a shit one at that :lol: Mwahahahahahahahaha, people like that always say... "is a theory" You say is just a theory, but in the same sense, relativity described by Albert Einstein is "just" a theory that describes universe. The notion that Earth orbits around the sun rather than vice versa, offered by Copernicus in 1543, is a theory. Continental drift is a theory. The existence, structure, and dynamics of atoms? Atomic theory. :lol: :lol: cannot stop laughing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oneulove Posted December 27, 2004 Share Posted December 27, 2004 Two essential books for this topic...Lost Discoveries and Darwin and the Beagle!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ambergris Posted December 27, 2004 Share Posted December 27, 2004 Are they at least scientific?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oneulove Posted December 27, 2004 Share Posted December 27, 2004 Lost Discoveries is about all these discoveries that were made and stolen by the western world....for example Copernicus stole his idea from the arabs...and he even made a couple mistakes in the the translations.... Darwin and the Beagle is about Darwin when he was studying religion and decided to go on a voyage on the Beagle where he formulated his theories and had to come to terms with what it meant about his religious beliefs... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nellie Posted December 27, 2004 Share Posted December 27, 2004 ^ooo, those sound good... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mycdplayerisbroke Posted December 27, 2004 Share Posted December 27, 2004 it's a theory you nerd. the big bang was a theory too. a shit one at that :lol: Mwahahahahahahahaha, people like that always say... "is a theory" You say is just a theory, but in the same sense, relativity described by Albert Einstein is "just" a theory that describes universe. The notion that Earth orbits around the sun rather than vice versa, offered by Copernicus in 1543, is a theory. Continental drift is a theory. The existence, structure, and dynamics of atoms? Atomic theory. :lol: :lol: cannot stop laughing umm yeah atomic theory hasn't been proven.... atomic THEORY say it with me charles cmon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albie Posted December 27, 2004 Share Posted December 27, 2004 I'm a amazing boardie and person :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mycdplayerisbroke Posted December 27, 2004 Share Posted December 27, 2004 well mine is jesus i'm sure someone has said it by now pretty obvious why Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ambergris Posted December 27, 2004 Share Posted December 27, 2004 it's a theory you nerd. the big bang was a theory too. a shit one at that :lol: Mwahahahahahahahaha, people like that always say... "is a theory" You say is just a theory, but in the same sense, relativity described by Albert Einstein is "just" a theory that describes universe. The notion that Earth orbits around the sun rather than vice versa, offered by Copernicus in 1543, is a theory. Continental drift is a theory. The existence, structure, and dynamics of atoms? Atomic theory. :lol: :lol: cannot stop laughing umm yeah atomic theory hasn't been proven.... atomic THEORY say it with me charles cmon :lol: :lol: :lol: Shut up big stubborn. :lol: :lol: :lol: Then u're saying the basic of chemistry is wrong just cause is a theory :rolleyes: :rolleyes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mycdplayerisbroke Posted December 27, 2004 Share Posted December 27, 2004 your whole life is a theory, charlie :idea2: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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