It´s been a while wideworld citizens are discussing about immigration in United States and Europe, especially illegal.

Most people create a deadly hate over immigrants, supposing they are taking their jobs and rights.

 

So, what´s you opinion about those acts?

 

Whould risk your life to have a better and different life abroad?

 

Do you think illegal immigrants shoul be severally punished?

if i decide to go to a different country i must accept they have other laws and i must agree with them all and not go there just to do what i want and keep my bad life style that i had... i mean

 

in my city there are a lot of immigrants i don't mind if most of them are illegal but is not good to come here to get a job and then you don't allow your daugther to go to school just because she is a woman and women in your culture don't go to school, if you come to a different country you must accept the differences, there's no problem if you keep some of your life style like partys, songs, music, food...

^I absolutely agree with ari..

I mean..I have no problems with immigrants but I think when they get to a new country they have to accept differences and don't expect other to change for them :idea2:

i had a friend from school that is immigrant from morroco and her dad was like a monster with her, he didn't pay her her books for school and he kicked her and stuff she even had to go to a different city for help and stay in a house during a week, her family didn't do nothing because they was scared about her dad reaction so she had to left school. :(

 

a friend of us go with her to tell the police what happened that's how she can go out my city for some days but as she didn't feel more help from her family or other friend or neigbours she had to come back and leave studies. :/

I agree with both: If you wanna move somewhere else, it´s you choice, so you must accept laws and differences.

i had a friend from school that is immigrant from morroco and her dad was like a monster with her, he didn't pay her her books for school and he kicked her and stuff she even had to go to a different city for help and stay in a house during a week, her family didn't do nothing because they was scared about her dad reaction so she had to left school. :(

 

a friend of us go with her to tell the police what happened that's how she can go out my city for some days but as she didn't feel more help from her family or other friend or neigbours she had to come back and leave studies. :/

 

:stunned: :stunned: God that's terrible! :stunned: :(

so she's still in the same situation now? She can't study cause her dad doesn't let her? :angry:

woah.. hot topic here.

 

 

Immigrants shouldn't be treted any dfferently than that of the rest of us 'citizens' HOWEVER.. they can't expect to have all the rights and priviledges as we do once they get here because they are not citizens. They deserve to give themselves and their families a better life.. afterall, its the reason they have come to America.. (speaking on a US perspecyive of course here) and they have that right.. but they need to become citizens and no expect a free ride just because they risked their lives crossing the border. I work hard for my taxes and such.. and I totally sympathize with those immigrants who come over from Mexico or Cuba etc.. I really do. But my only gripe is when people expect a hand out. NO NO NO... my father came to this country when he was 18 from Ecuador, with nothing.. they (my grandparents and he) came leagally over of course.. but he wasnt a citizen of this country until 1984. AND he fought in Vietnam only months after he had gotten here. He didnt even know proper English... and he was drafted...

 

I don't even know what I am sayng here.... I guess I am saying... we need to focus on other issues here... follow the proper protocal, become a citizen... vote.. and help make a change.

 

I hope I haven't offened anyone.. but I do agree everyone should be given a chance to make a better life for themselves.

well i don't know news from her now. that happened on her last year of school so i don't know. but i think is the same. she had a bfriend that her dad dislikes. i think but i'm sure now that her dad made her slipt with ther bfriend and to bring her to morroco again to marry her with another guy she don't like. :confused:

 

some people come here and want to do this things that they used to do in their country. that don't means that all the people do it but some of them yes.

 

i had another neigbours from melilla that are islamic, and once the husband discuss with her wife we called the police, so the police came and she leaves home with her kids and is divorced now and live on a different place now. we support her so she find the way to change things, that was good i think. but sometimes they don't have the support they need to. :/

i had a friend from school that is immigrant from morroco and her dad was like a monster with her, he didn't pay her her books for school and he kicked her and stuff she even had to go to a different city for help and stay in a house during a week, her family didn't do nothing because they was scared about her dad reaction so she had to left school.

 

a friend of us go with her to tell the police what happened that's how she can go out my city for some days but as she didn't feel more help from her family or other friend or neigbours she had to come back and leave studies.

 

wow that´s really a problem immgrants have to face. On the border between Mexico and USA, people do anything to cross, and most of them suffer a lot even before arriving in US.

i know, but if they came here and change some of their stuff (i see here that islamic women still wears shador but men wear occidental, you know t-shirt), women must fight this differences by themselves, i can't help them to fight it i think.

 

that's what i meant on my first post here... i can help them the best i can but i can help them in all they must to fight to. :/

my only problem with immagration is with mexico... with the borders open terrorist can come in. most immagrents take jobs most americans wont do and i dont mind them. its just dangerous not to guard the border to mexico.

my only problem with immagration is with mexico... with the borders open terrorist can come in.

 

terrorists?

in a really personal opinion, i think people from the US dont get why mexicans inmigrate, they only see the point of view of the president, and i dont think you will never understand, why? well..because, you dont live in mexico and you dont know the people, you dont know the economic situation, and if you know it you only know one point of view, i dont agree or disagree inmigration, why? well, because i live im mexico, and i know the people and i live the situation every day.

 

inmigration is a very difficult thing to explain, specially mexico- us.

my only problem with immagration is with mexico... with the borders open terrorist can come in. most immagrents take jobs most americans wont do and i dont mind them. its just dangerous not to guard the border to mexico.

 

 

 

so Mexico is the only way 'immigrants' can enter the country??? OH NICK come on!!!! If these fools wanna come into our country.. they will. AND all terrorists aren't foreigners!! :lol: Ever heard of Timothy McVeigh???? :lol: :lol: He was a Marine no less!!!

camille is right.. if a terrorist want ot get to a place they'll get there... and to be from a country dont means you have to be a terrorist. :dozey:

says things like that means you really don't know anything about it, because you generalize about the topic that's not have yourself an opinion about the topic i think.. i won't said anything generalized i think i said my opinion that is what the topic ask for YOUR personal opinion..

well you can't blame him.. his personal opinion happens to be a biased one, a prejudice one at that.. lol but it is his own. :rolleyes: What some Americans fail to realize is that if it weren't for migrant workers.. a lot of the 'dirty work' around this country wouldn't get done. There are many greeedy Americans who would rather pay a group of 10 or migrant workers 'under the table' so to speak (illegally without paying taxes) than to hire legal workers.. those with papers to work here. Then they wonder why the unemployment rate is up.. and why people flee to this country... who wouldn't!! If I could work here.. tax free... and make mucho pesos compared to the way the dollar is here in the US I would do it too!!

my only problem with immagration is with mexico... with the borders open terrorist can come in. most immagrents take jobs most americans wont do and i dont mind them. its just dangerous not to guard the border to mexico.

 

 

 

so Mexico is the only way 'immigrants' can enter the country??? OH NICK come on!!!! If these fools wanna come into our country.. they will. AND all terrorists aren't foreigners!! :lol: Ever heard of Timothy McVeigh???? :lol: :lol: He was a Marine no less!!!

 

no, but the border to mexico is wide open and alot more terrorist would enter their then any other way.......they can enter through canada aswell.

 

 

i never said anything about terrorist all being foreigners, but there are lots of one from other country's, ie islamic terrorist, we have american terrorsit aswell but we cant let the borders be open.

camille is right.. if a terrorist want ot get to a place they'll get there... and to be from a country dont means you have to be a terrorist. :dozey:

says things like that means you really don't know anything about it, because you generalize about the topic that's not have yourself an opinion about the topic i think.. i won't said anything generalized i think i said my opinion that is what the topic ask for YOUR personal opinion..

 

WHAT THE HELL?

 

I NEVER said that.... you guys need to read better.... most immagrants are NOT terrorist I NEVER said that. i said though foreign terrorist can enter the country easily from our borders....

 

stop trying to twist my words to mean other crap. you didnt hear a thing i said.

 

 

the borders being open lets in terrorist, im not saying immagrents are terrorist, but when you can simply walk into america, its easy for a terrorist to go over the meixco or canada and walk into america...... most immagrents arent bad people but we need tight border patrol because of the terrorist not the illegal immagrents. crying out loud.

well you can't blame him.. his personal opinion happens to be a biased one' date=' a prejudice one at that.. lol but it is his own. :rolleyes: What some Americans fail to realize is that if it weren't for migrant workers.. a lot of the 'dirty work' around this country wouldn't get done. There are many greeedy Americans who would rather pay a group of 10 or migrant workers 'under the table' so to speak (illegally without paying taxes) than to hire legal workers.. those with papers to work here. Then they wonder why the unemployment rate is up.. and why people flee to this country... who wouldn't!! If I could work here.. tax free... and make mucho pesos compared to the way the dollar is here in the US I would do it too!![/quote']

 

 

you didnt even pay attention to anything i said in my first post....

 

crying out loud....

 

im not against immagrents, their good, im agaisnt letting the borders be wide open so terrorist can walk in........we need immagrents in america. please LISTEN to what im actually saying before you jump on me for stuff im not even talking about.

 

 

OK LISTEN FOR ONCE!

 

immagrants=good open borders=bad because terrorist can just walk in, its like leaving your doors unlocked at night in a bad part of town, that doesnt mean you dont want people in your house, it just means you dont want just anyone to walk in.....

 

OK?

but America is home of the free.... have you ever read whats on the foot of the Statue of Liberty...

 

"Give me your tired, your poor,

Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,

The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.

Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me.

I lift my lamp beside the golden door."

 

its what America is all about.... we can't change that.. its what we were founded on. I may have never been here if borders were closed. Yes.. these are different times.. but we can't go about changing our American ways just because of some terrorists. Its what they want...

well i'm sorry if i understand you wrongly nick, but i still think your opinion is too generalized. :/ i mean from your words you don't say that all the immigrants are terrorist but is your only reason to have more control on the borders...well anyways is your opinion. :)

but America is home of the free.... have you ever read whats on the foot of the Statue of Liberty...

 

"Give me your tired, your poor,

Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,

The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.

Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me.

I lift my lamp beside the golden door."

 

its what America is all about.... we can't change that.. its what we were founded on. I may have never been here if borders were closed. Yes.. these are different times.. but we can't go about changing our American ways just because of some terrorists. Its what they want...

 

yeah i know, and we should let lots of people come to america. thats a good thing. immagrants make our country better, but we shouldnt just let anyone in at any point. we must do it in a secure way for the safety of america......

 

its not changing america's way, it has nothing to do with that, its about doing it in a safe and good way...

well i'm sorry if i understand you wrongly nick' date=' but i still think your opinion is too generalized. :/ i mean from your words you don't say that all the immigrants are terrorist but is your only reason to have more control on the borders...well anyways is your opinion. :)[/quote']

 

im all for immagrants to come into america. my family a few generations ago came over from Ireland, and I strongly beleive we should let lots of immagrants into america, its their right to come as long as they arent terrorist..... but having a open border is too risky because of terrorism. we should still let immagrants in but in a safe and secure way so that we filter out the terrorist and try to only let the immagrants in....

 

 

do you see what im saying? I dont think im being too general, open border is unsafe to america, we can keep a close guard on them and still be true to america's values.

 

sorry to have snapped at you earlier.....

i don't think america have open borders now.

well with canada i think we do, and the border with mexico isnt secure taht much, i think more then the candain one but still......