A letter from Michael Moore

[Matter-Eater Lad]

Britney Spears :sick:

 

You gotta love Fahrenheit 9/11. I love how those on the right either won;t see the movie, or have seen it and think it's all lies even though the movie uses nothing but actual evidence :lol:

 

think its all lies? half of its been proven lies...or facts taken out of contex twisted to his liking...if anything it helped bush..it showed the ignorance of mindless liberals and the b.s. he spewed out...i watched it and laughed...i love more he'a great comedian and a funny guy.....haha i loved listening to him spin facts off by saying half truths leaving out key details that make what he was trying to prove wrong...you gotta love him.

[berrywoman]

please explain to me the falacy that is Haliburton... and Enron??? :dozey: uh, yeah... I didn't think so. :P Oh and I am still waiting for you to disprove those conspiracy theories. :)

[Matter-Eater Lad]

im not saying there isnt any truths in it...but the majority of it wasnt facts, or hear say, or opinion or things taken out of context and spun to benefit him...its still a good fiction movie..good for some laughs..nothing else....it wasnt taken seriouly by most people, due to the fact that alot of it has been disproven since its release...but i'd like to see him make another...i really would, it would indeed benefit(sp?) bush more then hurt him.

[berrywoman]

again I ask... what has been proven to be lies????

[lilchick629]

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im not saying there isnt any truths in it...but the majority of it wasnt facts' date=' or hear say, or opinion or things taken out of context and spun to benefit him...its still a good fiction movie..good for some laughs..nothing else....it wasnt taken seriouly by most people, due to the fact that alot of it has been disproven since its release...but i'd like to see him make another...i really would, it would indeed benefit(sp?) bush more then hurt him.[/quote']

 

i think he is working on a documentary of Hurrican Katrina---cant wait

[Matter-Eater Lad]

again I ask... what has been proven to be lies????

 

http://www.davekopel.com/Terror/Fiftysix-Deceits-in-Fahrenheit-911.htm

 

 

2000 Election Night

 

Deceits 1-2

 

 

 

Fahrenheit 9/11 begins on election night 2000. We are first shown Al Gore rocking on stage with famous musicians and a high-spirited crowd. The conspicuous sign on stage reads "Florida Victory." Moore creates the impression that Gore was celebrating his victory in Florida. Moore's voiceover claims, "And little Stevie Wonder, he seemed so happy, like a miracle had taken place." The verb tense of past perfect ("had taken") furthers the impression that the election has been completed.

 

 

 

Actually, the rally took place in the early hours of election day, before polls had even opened. Gore did campaign in Florida on election day, but went home to Tennessee to await the results. The "Florida Victory" sign reflected Gore’s hopes, not any actual election results. ("Gore Campaigns Into Election Day," Associated Press, Nov. 7, 2000.)

 

 

 

The film shows CBS and CNN calling Florida for Al Gore. According to the narrator, "Then something called the Fox News Channel called the election in favor of the other guy….All of a sudden the other networks said, 'Hey, if Fox said it, it must be true.'"

 

 

 

We then see NBC anchor Tom Brokaw stating, "All of us networks made a mistake and projected Florida in the Al Gore column. It was our mistake."

 

 

 

Moore thus creates the false impression that the networks withdrew their claim about Gore winning Florida when they heard that Fox said that Bush won Florida.

 

 

 

In fact, the networks which called Florida for Gore did so early in the evening—before polls had even closed in the Florida panhandle, which is part of the Central Time Zone. NBC called Florida for Gore at 7:49:40 p.m., Eastern Time. This was 10 minutes before polls closed in the Florida panhandle. Thirty seconds later, CBS called Florida for Gore. And at 7:52 p.m., Fox called Florida for Gore. Moore never lets the audience know that Fox was among the networks which made the error of calling Florida for Gore prematurely. Then at 8:02 p.m., ABC called Florida for Gore. Only ABC had waited until the Florida polls were closed.

 

 

 

About an hour before the polls closed in panhandle Florida, the networks called the U.S. Senate race in favor of the Democratic candidate. The networks seriously compounded the problem because from 6-7 Central Time, they repeatedly announced that polls had closed in Florida--even though polls were open in the panhandle. (See also Joan Konner, James Risser & Ben Wattenberg, Television's Performance on Election Night 2000: A Report for CNN, Jan. 29, 2001.)

 

 

 

The false announcements that the polls were closed, as well as the premature calls (the Presidential race ten minutes early; the Senate race an hour early), may have cost Bush thousands of votes from the conservative panhandle, as discouraged last-minute voters heard that their state had already been decided; some last-minute voters on their way to the polling place turned around and went home. Other voters who were waiting in line left the polling place. In Florida, as elsewhere, voters who have arrived at the polling place before closing time often end up voting after closing time, because of long lines. The conventional wisdom of politics is that supporters of the losing candidate are most likely to give up on voting when they hear that their side has already lost. Thus, on election night 1980, when incumbent President Jimmy Carter gave a concession speech while polls were still open on the west coast, the early concession was blamed for costing the Democrats several Congressional seats in the West, such as that of 20-year incumbent James Corman. The fact that all the networks had declared Reagan a landslide winner while west coast voting was still in progress was also blamed for Democratic losses in the West; Congress even held hearings about prohibiting the disclosure of exit polls before voting had ended in the any of the 48 contiguous states.

 

 

 

Even if the premature television calls affected all potential voters equally, the effect was to reduce Republican votes significantly, because the Florida panhandle is a Republican stronghold. Most of Central Time Zone Florida is in the 1st Congressional District, which is known as the "Redneck Riviera." In that district, Bob Dole beat Bill Clinton by 69,000 votes in 1996, even though Clinton won the state by 300,000 votes. So depress overall turnout in the panhandle, and you will necessarily depress more Republican than Democratic votes. A 2001 study by John Lott suggested that the early calls cost Bush at least 7,500 votes, and perhaps many more. Another study reported that the networks reduced panhandle turn-out by about 19,000 votes, costing Bush about 12,000 votes and Gore about 7,000 votes.

 

 

 

At 10:00 p.m., which networks took the lead in retracting the premature Florida win for Gore? They were CNN and CBS, not Fox. (The two networks were using a shared Decision Team.) See Linda Mason, Kathleen Francovic & Kathleen Hall Jamieson, "CBS News Coverage of Election Night 2000: Investigation, Analysis, Recommendations" (CBS News, Jan. 2001), pp. 12-25.)

 

 

 

In fact, Fox did not retract its claim that Gore had won Florida until 2 a.m.--four hours after other networks had withdrawn the call.

 

 

 

Over four hours later, at 2:16 a.m., Fox projected Bush as the Florida winner, as did all the other networks by 2:20 a.m.

 

 

 

At 3:59 a.m., CBS took the lead in retracting the Florida call for Bush. All the other networks, including Fox, followed the CBS lead within eight minutes. That the networks arrived at similar conclusions within a short period of time is not surprising, since they were all using the same data from the Voter News Service. (Mason, et al. "CBS News Coverage.") As the CBS timeline details, throughout the evening all networks used VNS data to call states, even though VNS had not called the state; sometimes the network calls were made hours ahead of the VNS call.

 

 

 

Moore’s editing technique of the election night segment is typical of his style: all the video clips are real clips, and nothing he says is, narrowly speaking, false. But notice how he says, "Then something called the Fox News Channel called the election in favor of the other guy…" The impression created is that the Fox call of Florida for Bush came soon after the CBS/CNN calls of Florida for Gore, and that Fox caused the other networks to change ("All of a sudden the other networks said, 'Hey, if Fox said it, it must be true.'")

 

 

 

This is the essence of the Moore technique: cleverly blending half-truths to deceive the viewer.

 

 

 

[Moore response: On the Florida victory celebration, none. On the networks calls: provides citations for the early and incorrect Florida calls for Gore, around 8 p.m. Eastern Time, and for the late-evening network calls of Florida for Bush around 2:20 a.m. Doesn't mention the retraction of the Florida calls at 10 p.m., or that CBS led the retraction.]

[berrywoman]

im not saying there isnt any truths in it...but the majority of it wasnt facts' date=' or hear say, or opinion or things taken out of context and spun to benefit him...its still a good fiction movie..good for some laughs..nothing else....it wasnt taken seriouly by most people, due to the fact that alot of it has been disproven since its release...but i'd like to see him make another...i really would, it would indeed benefit(sp?) bush more then hurt him.[/quote']

 

 

 

I like this.. :lol:

 

think its all lies? half of its been proven lies...

 

 

:lol: :lol: spoken like a true conservative!!

[Matter-Eater Lad]

spoken when alot of its been disproven or shown to be a half truth...like teh website above shows..

 

go watch celcius 41.11 it disporves even more facts in the movie...

[Matter-Eater Lad]

Proposed Unocal Pipeline in Afghanistan

 

Deceits 27-30

 

 

 

This segment is introduced with the question, "Or was the war in Afghanistan really about something else?" The "something else" is shown to be a Unocal pipeline.

 

Moore mentions that the Taliban visited Texas while Bush was governor, over a possible pipeline deal with Unocal. But Moore doesn’t say that they never actually met with Bush or that the deal went bust in 1998 and had been supported by the Clinton administration.

 

Labash, Weekly Standard.

 

Moore asserts that the Afghan war was fought only to enable the Unocal company to build a pipeline. In fact, Unocal dropped that idea back in August 1998.

 

Jonathan Foreman, "Moore’s The Pity," New York Post, June 23, 2004.

 

In December 1997, a delegation from Afghanistan’s ruling and ruthless Taliban visited the United States to meet with an oil and gas company that had extensive dealings in Texas. The company, Unocal, was interested in building a natural gas line through Afghanistan. Moore implies that Bush, who was then governor of Texas, met with the delegation.

 

But, as Gannett News Service points out, Bush did not meet with the Taliban representatives. What’s more, Clinton administration officials did sit down with Taliban officials, and the delegation’s visit was made with the Clinton administration’s permission.

 

McNamee, Chicago Sun-Times.

 

Whatever the motive, the Unocal pipeline project was entirely a Clinton-era proposal: By 1998, as the Taliban hardened its positions, the U.S. oil company pulled out of the deal. By the time George W. Bush took office, it was a dead issue—and no longer the subject of any lobbying in Washington.

 

Isikoff & Hosenball, MSNBC.com.

 

 

 

Moore claims that "Enron stood to benefit from the pipeline." To the contrary, Enron was not part of the consortium which expressed interest in working with Unocal on the pipeline.

 

 

 

On December 9, 2003, the new Afghanistan government did sign a protocol with Turkmenistan and Pakistan to facilitate a pipeline. Indeed, any Afghani government (Taliban or otherwise) would rationally seek the revenue that could be gained from a pipeline. But the protocol merely aims to entice corporations to build a new pipeline; no corporation has has agreed to do so. Nor does the new proposed pipeline even resemble Unocal's failed proposal; the new pipeline would the bring oil and gas from the Caspian Sea basin, whereas Unocal's proposal involved deposits five hundred miles away, in eastern Turkmenistan.

 

 

 

Fahrenheit showed images of pipeline construction, but the images have nothing to do with the Caspian Sea pipeline, for which construction has never begun. Nor do they have anything to do with the Unocal pipeline, which never existed except on paper.

 

 

 

According to Fahrenheit, Afghanistan's new President, Hamid Karzai, was a Unocal consultant. This is false. Sumana Chatterjee and David Goldstein, "A lowdown on the facts behind the allegations in 'Fahrenheit 9/11'," Knight-Ridder newspapers, July 2, 2004. The origin of the claim appears to be a December 6, 2001 story in the center-left French newspaper Le Monde. The story does not cite any source for its claim. (The story is available on-line from Le Monde's website; registration and payment are required.) Unocal has denied that Karzai was ever a consultant.

 

 

 

(Deceits: 1. Governor Bush never met the Taliban; 2. The Unocal pipeline idea was abandoned; 3. The new pipeline is different from the Unocal proposal; 4. Construction has not begun. Bonus deceit: Enron.)

 

 

 

[Moore response: Regarding Karzai, cites the article in Le Monde, and two later articles which appear to use Le Monde's information. Moore's translation is: "He was a consultant for the American oil company Unocal, while they studied the construction of a pipeline in Afghanistan." The actual sentence was "Après Kaboul et l'Inde ou il a étudié le droit, il a parfait sa formation aux Etats-Unis ou il fut un moment consultant de l'enterprise pétrolière américaine Unocal, quand celle-ci étudiant la construction d'un oléduc en Afghanistan." Translated: After Kabul and India where he had studied law, he completed his training in the United States where he was briefly (literally: "for a moment") a consultant for the American petroleum business Unocal, when it was studying the construction of a pipeline in Afghanistan." Neither Le Monde nor Moore has provided any evidence to substantiate the claim about Unocal and Karzai.

 

 

 

Regarding Enron, Moore cites a 1997 speech a professor, in which the professor said that Enron would be interested in helping to build the Unocal pipeline. There is no reason to doubt the professor, but the fact is that Enron was not among the companies which Unocal chose to work with. There is no evidence supporting Moore's assertion that Enron would benefit from the new Caspian Sea basin pipeline.

 

 

 

Moore does not attempt to defend the other falsities which are detailed in this section: that Unocal had abandoned the project in 1998, that the 2003 Protocol involves an entirely different pipeline, and that the pipeline footage in the movie has nothing to do with either the 1998 or 2003 proposals.]

[berrywoman]

ummm I was referring to Haliburton... and Enron, and the oil. I can care less about how Bush cheated his way into the White House lol its been 6 long years.. and thankfully only 2 more to go... lol

 

 

explain to me those conspiracy theories about the oil and Haliburton... AND what makes you believe this so called site you quoted to be truth... couldn't it in fact be considered 'propaganda' created by Republicans or 'more conspiracy theories'??? One could assume the same...

[Matter-Eater Lad]

i was simply showing the lies moore said and how many of them have been proven to be lies. did you even go to that site, it showed 59 deciets of the movie...it kinda makes shows the movie for what it really was...

[Matter-Eater Lad]

ahh moore.... more deciets proven wrong...how funny

 

Saddam Hussein Never Murdered Americans

 

Deceits 39-40

 

 

 

Fahrenheit asserts that Saddam’s Iraq was a nation that "had never attacked the United States. A nation that had never threatened to attack the United States. A nation that had never murdered a single American citizen." Each of these assertions is false.

 

Jake Tapper (ABC News): You declare in the film that Hussein’s regime had never killed an American …

 

Moore: That isn’t what I said. Quote the movie directly.

 

Tapper: What is the quote exactly?

 

Moore: "Murdered." The government of Iraq did not commit a premeditated murder on an American citizen. I’d like you to point out one.

 

Tapper: If the government of Iraq permitted a terrorist named Abu Nidal who is certainly responsible for killing Americans to have Iraq as a safe haven; if Saddam Hussein funded suicide bombers in Israel who did kill Americans; if the Iraqi police—now this is not a murder but it’s a plan to murder—to assassinate President Bush which at the time merited airstrikes from President Clinton once that plot was discovered; does that not belie your claim that the Iraqi government never murdered an American or never had a hand in murdering an American?

 

Moore: No, because nothing you just said is proof that the Iraqi government ever murdered an American citizen. And I am still waiting for you to present that proof.

 

You’re talking about, they provide safe haven for Abu Nidal after the committed these murders, uh, Iraq helps or supports suicide bombers in Israel. I mean the support, you remember the telethon that the Saudis were having? It’s our allies, the Saudis, that have been providing help and aid to the suicide bombers in Israel. That’s the story you should be covering. Why don’t you cover that story? Why don’t you cover it?

 

Note Moore’s extremely careful phrasing of the lines which appear to exonerate Saddam, and Moore’s hyper-legal response to Tapper. In fact, Saddam provided refuge to notorious terrorists who had murdered Americans. Saddam provided a safe haven for Abu Abbas (leader of the hijacking of the ship Achille Lauro and the murder of the elderly American passenger Leon Klinghoffer), for Abu Nidal, and for the 1993 World Trade Center bombmaker, Abdul Rahman Yasin. By law, Saddam therefore was an accessory to the murders. Saddam order his police to murder former American President George Bush when he visited Kuwait City in 1993; they attempted to do so, but failed. In 1991, he ordered his agents to murder the American Ambassador to the Philippines and, separately, to murder the employees of the U.S. Information Service in Manila; they tried, but failed. Yet none of these aggressions against the United States "count" for Moore, because he has carefully framed his verbs and verb tenses to exclude them.

 

 

 

According to Laurie Mylroie, a former Harvard professor who served as Bill Clinton's Iraq advisor during the 1992 campaign (during which Vice-Presidential candidate Gore repeatedly castigated incumbent President George H.W. Bush for inaction against Saddam), the ringleader of the World Trade Center bombings, Ramzi Yousef, was working for the Iraqi intelligence service. Laurie Mylroie, The War Against America: Saddam Hussein and the World Trade Center Attacks: A Study of Revenge (N.Y.: HarperCollins, 2d rev. ed. 2001).

 

 

 

Also, Saddam's military constantly shot at (and therefore attempted to kill) American and British pilots enforcing the "no-fly zone" over portions of Iraq. The no-fly zone was created to prevent Saddam's air force from being able to mass murder Iraqis; Saddam agreed to the no-fly zone as a condition of the ceasefire in the 1991 Gulf War, but then refused to abide by the ceasefire conditions. (As he likewise refused to abide by the conditions requiring him to prove that he had destroyed all his weapons of mass destruction.) One could argue about whether it is attempted "murder" to break the terms of a ceasefire and to attempt to kill foreign soldiers who are attempting to prevent you from perpetrating mass murder.

 

 

 

But even with Moore’s clever phrasing designed to elide Saddam’s culpability in the murders and attempted murders of Americans, Tapper still catches him with an irrefutable point: Saddam did perpetrate the premeditated murder of Americans. Every victim of every Palestinian terrorist bomber who was funded by Saddam Hussein was the victim of premeditated murder—including the American victims. Because Saddam's reward system for the families of deceased terrorists was known and publicized, the reward system amounted to a before-the-fact inducement for additional terrorist bombings.

 

 

 

So what does Moore do? He tries to change the subject. Moore makes the good point that the U.S. media should focus more attention on Saudi financial aid to Palestinian terrorists who murder Americans in Israel. On NRO, I’ve pointed to Saudi terror funding, as have other NRO writers. But pointing out Saudi Arabia’s guilt does not excuse Moore’s blatant lie about Saddam Hussein’s innocence.

 

 

 

[Moore response: Quotes a think tank writer: "Iraq has never threatened nor been implicated in any attack against U.S. territory and the CIA has reported no Iraqi-sponsored attacks against American interests since 1991." The statement does not address Iraqi payments to the families of terrorists who murdered Americans in Israel. Nor does it address the undeniable fact that Iraq was providing a hide-out for terrorists who had murdered Americans.]

[lilchick629]

:snore:

[Matter-Eater Lad]

hey you guys wanted facts and to disprove alot of what moore said..i showed them...im sorry if its too boring to open you eyes and see the facts presented too you..this isnt opinion, these are things moore said proven to be decietful...proven that way with facts...be bored all you want..but dont complain about me saying F911 was based on alot of lies.

[berrywoman]

I never at any point said his movie was great and full of truths. I happen to agree that he did stretch and bend the facts to his advantage... but you can't ignore the big ones.. there is truth in some of his 'theories'......

 

however.. I wasn't ever referring to his movie when you first discredited my post about the oil and the war. This is what I am waiting on.. :) You said it was all conspiracy theories.. so this is what I ask.. prove those.

 

 

again...

explain to me those conspiracy theories about the oil and Haliburton... AND what makes you believe this so called site you quoted to be truth... couldn't it in fact be considered 'propaganda' created by Republicans or 'more conspiracy theories'??? One could assume the same...

[Matter-Eater Lad]

I never at any point said his movie was great and full of truths. I happen to agree that he did stretch and bend the facts to his advantage... but you can't ignore the big ones.. there is truth in some of his 'theories'......

 

however.. I wasn't ever referring to his movie when you first discredited my post about the oil and the war. This is what I am waiting on.. :) You said it was all conspiracy theories.. so this is what I ask.. prove those.

 

 

again...

explain to me those conspiracy theories about the oil and Haliburton... AND what makes you believe this so called site you quoted to be truth... couldn't it in fact be considered 'propaganda' created by Republicans or 'more conspiracy theories'??? One could assume the same...

 

there are a few real full facts in the movie, but the mass majority are half truths and whole lies.

 

the oil thingy is a theory, i cant show any real evidence to disprove this, but their is no real evidence to prove it...like i said, i cant prove or disprove that nasa is trying to assisinate the president

 

its simply a wild out there conspiracey theory....is big foot real? its possible but not likely...same goes for that and all conspiracey theories.

[Egghead]

http://www.iraqbodycount.net/

 

Civilians reported killed by military intervention in Iraq

Min

24712

 

Max

27963

 

Thats 13.59% of the population of Orlando. (link)

13 and a half per cent.

is that a lie?

[Matter-Eater Lad]

NO, why would it be?

 

but considering saddam starved 60,000 a year and killed thousands more... thats kinda less then under saddam.

[berrywoman]

who gives a shit about Sadaam!! There were probably 60,000 killed on the streets of the poorest neighborhoods in the US.....

 

 

you talk alot of trash Nick.. lol the only credit I give you is that you try to be involved in your government. But other than that.... you are completely closed minded..

 

get out of the mindset that all liberals are out to get conservatives.. and that all dems hate reps.... thats bullshit in itself. I do ask you this... open your eyes once in awhile and see what goes on in the world around you.... you'd be suprised at how different things are once you see it thru anothers eyes..

[Matter-Eater Lad]

who gives a shit about Sadaam!! There were probably 60,000 killed on the streets of the poorest neighborhoods in the US.....

 

 

you talk alot of trash Nick.. lol the only credit I give you is that you try to be involved in your government. But other than that.... you are completely closed minded..

 

get out of the mindset that all liberals are out to get conservatives.. and that all dems hate reps.... thats bullshit in itself. I do ask you this... open your eyes once in awhile and see what goes on in the world around you.... you'd be suprised at how different things are once you see it thru anothers eyes..

 

haha not as much as you do.....the person with a close mind is giving me a lecture about being closed mind...very funny...pull the stye out of your eye before you attemp to pull one out of your neibors eye, as the saying goes or something like that. you critize me for being closemined when you are just as close minded....funny

 

im not in that mind set at all, i know the truth...not all dems are agaisnt reps, ive NEVER SAID THAT....ill open my eyes if you do it with me? ive seen things through different eyes, i once saw things similar to you, then i decided to look around and opened my eyes, i once had VERY similar opinions as you and many others on here...but i learned the error of my ways.

[lilchick629]

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will this be another thread locked???????????

dont know---lets wait to see what happens :sneaky:

[berrywoman]

^ totally uncalled for... the other thread was filled with racist remarks.. :dozey:

 

as for Nick...

 

I am not closed minded.. I am open to people 'proving' their truths.. but you have yet to show me any hard proof on your conspiracy theories... I don't go around saying..

 

i know the truth...

<--- how egotistical!!! and CLOSED MINDED!!!

 

I happen to agree with you when I said Moore stretched the truth and twisted facts in Fahernheit 9/11.... oh yeah.. anyone can see that.. but he was being cynical and probably knew what he was doing... probably poking fun and the Bush's as well as raising doubts in many American's minds. I didn't take everything in that movie as truth... but there are some things in there you can't deny to be truth.

 

AGAIN I ask..... disprove the Haliburton/Enron connections.... or our most recent fuck up... Katrina.... he named a horse trainner to be the head of our federal emergency management ageny!!! WTF was he thinking??? Obviously not thinking at all.... what other type of irresponibilty has he got up his sleeve or on his tab.....

 

here's another NON CLOSED MINDED COMMENT- if it had been Kerry or Gore or even Clinton.... I would be condemning them as well.. and you can bet your sweet ass... that people would be tryng to impeach their asses. Fuck.. Clinton was threaten with impeachment for fucking around in the white house.. and this man.. Bush possibly risked thousands of people's lives because he picked a fucking horse trainer as the head of FEMA...

 

:rolleyes:

 

check yourself dude..... I'm not the one who's close minded. I'm pretty sure anyone on here can tell you the same.

[!!!]

Well, I'm a known republican (former Democrat - but this was back when I thought I knew everything) .. I'll get back to you on that (MM's 'truth') but I wouldn't hold my breath. I'll sooner see Hammer pants come back in style than find a grain of honest truth from MM.

 

What really turned me off the Democratic party years ago was how low and irrational the left were willing to take their arguments; "Don't agree with us? You're a Nazi."

 

I'd rather be right and alone, than wrong with company.

 

yes, only democrats use nazi references...

 

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2005/05/20/national/w085317D29.DTL

 

what makes it more fun is that republican senator rick santorum not only likes to make nazi/hitler references, but he likes to denounce other people that make them as well.

 

-March 2005, Dem Senator Robert Byrd compares Nazis to Republicans who want to change the filibuster rule, Republican Senator Rick Santorum says Nazi references "lessen the credibility of the senator and the decorum of the Senate."

 

-May 2005, Santorum said that Democratic protests over Republican efforts to ensure confirmation votes would be like the Nazi dictator seizing Paris and then saying: "I'm in Paris. How dare you invade me? How dare you bomb my city? It's mine."

[MAFE]

I ask again----

 

Where is Bin Ladden----

the whole idea of us going to war was to find this man and to protect US from evil iraq----yet, so far, no WMD from iraq, no bin ladden captured, and ironically, we were not completely safe (hurricane katrina)

 

Was this war a failure or is it a success in progress----i'd like to think that all this is going somewhere good :P

 

 

this war was never about fuckin Bin Laden... it was about protecting their oil resources so that the 'Taliban' didn't take control of 'it'.... I am convinced that this is all about greed and oil.

 

 

I don't know how much i can say about this being a foreign...but Bush's shit is ruinning Colombia too....He and our "lovely" president want to sign the Free Trade Tratade. It can fuck up the colombian economy because everything's gonna be sell in low prices. Now our agricultors are in dangerous because Colombia now's gonna be surrounded by WalMart and all that things....so people are gonna buy there and Bush and all the american goverment want to buy all that lands...great...that bastard is taking our resources...and im sure that if our president wouldn't want to sign that Free Trade shit i bet that Bush would send us a bomb with some stupid excuse.....

[colduser]

Nick, enjoy living in your sheltered ignorant shell.

I am done with this shit politicizing with you. You're always going to think you're right and I will always think that I am right. It is pointless and hurts my head too much to go back and forth with you.