muse.

 

and i'm well aware they're not on the list.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

:cool:

 

As for your sales question, X&Y debuted here at #1, U2's HTDAAB debuted at #1 (sold more than Coldplay) and Don't Believe the Truth debuted at #12.

 

...this has nothing to do with which band is better.

No one said it did. Someone asked above and I answered. It certainly means something, though.

 

And yeah the American music industry is (for the most part) big shit, but Radiohead and U2 made it just fine throughtout all their 10+ year career. Not every band can do that and It really says something when one can break through the rap/pop garbage and still be remembered, despite the crap music.

 

muse.

 

and i'm well aware they're not on the list.

Oh hell yeah! You know I recently (like a week ago!) heard one of their songs (Endless) and I could not stop listening to it. That same day I went and bought Absolution and it's the only thing I've played since. Tomorrow I'm going to Best Buy and I'm grabbing any and every cd that says MUSE on it. I can't wait to listen to all their stuff.. amazing!

It means nothing. Radiohead is for all the indie "I think I'm intelligent" kids in America and U2 are for whoever buys into that. Neither is a bad band, but there are certain types that are heavily represented in America that certain bands are poster boys for.Also, Americans don't like anyone who isn't from their country who happen to be quite arrogant.

 

Oh and Muse is horrid! what are they doing in here.

It means nothing. Radiohead is for all the indie "I think I'm intelligent" kids in America and U2 are for whoever buys into that. Neither is a bad band' date=' but there are certain types that are heavily represented in America that certain bands are poster boys for.Also, Americans don't like anyone who isn't from their country who happen to be quite arrogant. [/quote']

:huh:

 

What? What are you trying say? Radiohead is an awesome band and no one has to think themselves "intelligent" to enjoy them. Maybe you do? And U2 is equally as great a band. You don't have to be so obessed with something whereas you can't recognize the greatness of something else.

 

By the way, are you saying that Americans don't like artist that are not from here? Because you must have some serious loose screws if you honestly believe that.

 

Muse is lovely :heart:

Excuse me, but I did say that neither was a bad band. I have enjoy each band actually.

 

And whats this about americans not liking bands from other countries? you're an idiot, read what I said, "ARROGANT"

Excuse me, but I did say that neither was a bad band. I have enjoy each band actually.

 

And whats this about americans not liking bands from other countries? you're an idiot, read what I said, "ARROGANT"

You enjoy both bands yet you say that RH is for "Indie 'I think I'm intelligent' kids in America" and then go on to say that U2 is for "whoever is into that". Excuse me for daring to assume you didn't think much them. :rolleyes:

 

Americans don't like anyone who isn't from their country who happen to be quite arrogant.

So with this you're saying that Americans don't like Oasis because they're not American and because they're arrogant? Pretty pointless thing to say but uhm, yeah..sure, whatever you think.

Oh and Muse is horrid! what are they doing in here.

 

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i pity you.

 

as for victaniac, yess you must RUN into best buy and buy EVERY muse album/cd/single/dvd

 

they are AMAZING.

ok. 1st of all I've seen Muse live, have their albums and think they are shite still.

 

I know for a fact that a big reason why Americans don't like Oasis is b/c they are arrogant foreigners. that part is a bit more complicated than it sounds.

 

I was referring to american fans, when speaking about RH and U2. that there are large stereotypes/groups who gravitate towards them. Of course there are the exceptional few who are different. As is everyplace you go.

 

And Americans do like Oasis, just that not many Know of Oasis, which is a whole different matter, that has nothing to do with the general public. Which brings me back to my previous post about media/industry folk.

arguing on the internet is like running in the special olympics. even if you win, you're still retarded.

Coldplay...because the lead singer of Oasis has a vocie that can eventually get annoying. So I can only listen to them for a wee bit of time. But Coldplay...that can go non-stop because he has a very sexy voice. And I can go for a very sexy voice anytime! ;)

nothing compares to....

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

U2!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :cool: of course Coldaplay comes right after it :)

When did I say sales were not important? Coldplay as a young band still have a lot to prove and I wouldn't say they're the best because it's still too early. If you notice, I haven't said they are.

 

I'm positive it's not Oasis, I can tell you that much. Recycling material. Changing band members. Lack of a buzz in the states.. they may be huge in the UK still but it seems like outside their fanbase, they've lost it here. I would go with Radiohead or U2, since they have accomplished everything Oasis has AND have managed to not have Americans forget them.. which is hard for alot of international bands. Oasis may sell because of the strong hold they had in the 90's, but you know.. they haven't even won a Grammy. Something Coldplay did on their first album. It speaks volumes how much more appreciated Coldplay seems to be here, compared to Oasis.

 

I wouldn't give the "best" position to Coldplay because they're so young and the same thing that has happened to Oasis can to them as well. But they very well could be the best. They progress with every album, sales-wise, hype wise.. they've improved their skills with instruments, they perform better. It's all there.

 

I don't see your "they're struggling to sell tickets" point. If anything, they keep adding more tour dates and more radio shows and programs and it seems like the demand is more. They certainly wouldn't be adding if it were going badly for them.

 

As for your sales question, X&Y debuted here at #1, U2's HTDAAB debuted at #1 (sold more than Coldplay) and Don't Believe the Truth debuted at #12.

 

As of now, Coldplay are the biggest selling artist of albums, but not of singles or tours (which they have trouble selling one gig out, let alone full tours) of which are all included, even the reviews (other than Q and NME) of their new album have been midling, but then again, you probably don`t care about that either when it goes against what you`ve decided in your mind.

It's not what I've decided in my mind, it's what I see. There were bad reviews, yet X&Y is still selling magnificently. By the way, If you're the biggest selling artist, most people would say you're on top right now. I don't understand what's so hard to grasp about that. Tour and Singles sales aren't very accounted for, Coldplay isn't a "singles" band and they've said that themselves many times. They're an albums band. That means a lot more (to me) than singles any day of the week.

 

 

"When did I say sales weren`t important?"

 

You said you didn`t care about ticket sales, and how fast what sold out, which to me, tells me you don`t care about sales.

 

You say tour sales are not accounted for, but they don`t have to be accounted for to tell who has had a better tour, and just because they add venues, doesn`t mean that another venue had a good turnout, all that means is they are adding different venues, nothing more, nothing less, if they had been adding extra nights at the same venues to sold out nights, I`d be impressed.

Tell me in your greatest confidince Oasis haven`t beat Coldplay hands down on their respective tours.

 

You seem too be hung up about the US, you tried saying that the rest of the world was the same but they are not, give me the sales figures and I`ll bow to your superior knowledge, Coldplay are big in the US in the UK, so? that`s two countries, what about the rest?

 

Okay, James blunt`s the biggest selling artist in the UK right now.....does that mean he is on top, No, it means he had one good song and ridden the waves onto album success, it was the same for Coldplay this year with their album, people bought it based on their last albums, which I`ll agree, they were good attempts, but as soon as people had had this album a while, they soon realised it was a let down.

Again, next year Coldplay`s story will be different.

 

 

So Coldplay are not a singles band....right, so you don`t think that to be the best and biggest, you`ve got to be all these things, Albums, Tours, Singles etc, that what best and biggest means to me, everything the band do is recognised, anfd again, I can`t speak for the US, I don`t live there, but here in the rest of the world, that`s what matters, and by god Oasis have had an amazing worldwide tour (including massive sold out venues in the states) number 1 albums over the world and number 1 singles over the world.

 

How do you think a band survives, it certainly isn`t through album sales, they get very little of that, it all comes through tours, that`s how they get all the money they need to carry on, where nearly all of their profit comes from, if you look at like this, they release albums to promote tours, not the other way round.

The only band who can compete on tour with Oasis are U2, wich is why they will, no matter how poorly U2 singles sell, will always be joint top best with Oasis.

 

So if all Coldplay are is an albums band, then they certainly can`t be the best and biggest. Albums are not the be all and end all of bands, get your head round that, join a band and you tell me what is most important in the end.

 

Oh, and let me tell you this, Arctic Monkeys will be considered the best next year, the music mags are all over them, their debut will sell shitloads, does that mean they are the best, no, it will be the tour that sorts the men from the boys, and I seriously hpoe the do well, if not just to show Coldplay how i`ts done.

Wow.. I must have really hit a nerve! :lol:

 

I don't mean to disrespect you stemot1978, but when you need to write an essay just to get your point across, it's a losing battle. I don't even think Coldplay is the best one yet you are so focused in bashing them as if I had said they were. Just as a passing note, Oasis will not become relevant here because of the words you write.

 

Generally I wouldn't be so focused on the US, but my original comment was according to the US and frankly I don't see why I need to discuss Oasis' worldwide status when I wasn't not referring to it in the first place. They aren't as well recepted here anymore because of their arrogance (as said by A_Northern_Soul ) or whatever it may be, I. Don't. Care. Deal with it and maybe go heal your wounds with their supposed popularity overseas.

 

U2 haven't gone anywhere, Radiohead haven't gone anywhere... the "best" spot should obviously belong to one of them. Coldplay though young band, are very well on top (along with Green Day and U2) right now. They definitely have a chance to become the best.. and hey another old Grammy won't hurt their chances, eh? :wink:

 

I'm done here.

Wow.. I must have really hit a nerve! :lol:

 

I don't mean to disrespect you stemot1978, but when you need to write an essay just to get your point across, it's a losing battle. I don't even think Coldplay is the best one yet you are so focused in bashing them as if I had said they were. Just as a passing note, Oasis will not become relevant here because of the words you write.

 

Generally I wouldn't be so focused on the US, but my original comment was according to the US and frankly I don't see why I need to discuss Oasis' worldwide status when I wasn't not referring to it in the first place. They aren't as well recepted here anymore because of their arrogance (as said by A_Northern_Soul ) or whatever it may be, I. Don't. Care. Deal with it and maybe go heal your wounds with their supposed popularity overseas.

 

U2 haven't gone anywhere, Radiohead haven't gone anywhere... the "best" spot should obviously belong to one of them. Coldplay though young band, are very well on top (along with Green Day and U2) right now. They definitely have a chance to become the best.. and hey another old Grammy won't hurt their chances, eh? :wink:

 

I'm done here.

 

The thread was "who is the best", to come to any kind of conclusion you have to take in worldwide status, not just one bit of it. Plus, it was hardly an essay, I was replying in turn to each of your points, I just my explainations across better. I don`t care if Oasis ever crack the US, and to be honest, I`d rather they didn`t, their popularity in UK, Europe and the Far East is very much alive, even more so after this year.

 

Next time you want to make a statement such as "Nobody even remembers them anymore", check your facts, cos that`s why all this started in the first place, you don`t like them, fine, but don`t discount their popularity as a passing fad, that`s what I said at the start when you got on the defensive, I`ve got nothing to deal with, I can take facts at face value without feeling the need to make up excuses as to why that could be.

 

Winning a Grammy really means nothing at the end of the day, just another pointless award from another pointless award ceremony, and yes, I include awards Oasis have won in that. Awards are lumps of metal won by either the band sucking up to record industry insiders to get the award, or by the bands loyal fan base pumping websites or phone lines full of votes. They have no bearing on the quality of the music, nice to win em now and again but..... They mean nothing.

 

So go on not caring, to anything I say, that you don`t want to hear, but because you simply don`t care does not make it wrong.

^ oasis is a passing fad dude, you can't be considered the best if you can't crack rap/pop-filled american radio! that's the ultimate test!! :lol:

 

coldplay for president! :lol:

^ oasis is a passing fad dude, you can't be considered the best if you can't crack rap/pop-filled american radio! that's the ultimate test!! :lol:

 

coldplay for president! :lol:

 

you are an idiot. Cracking the american market is all about sucking some industry wanks dick. It means nothing. Its all about choice.

^ oasis is a passing fad dude, you can't be considered the best if you can't crack rap/pop-filled american radio! that's the ultimate test!! :lol:

 

coldplay for president! :lol:

 

you are an idiot. Cracking the american market is all about sucking some industry wanks dick. It means nothing. Its all about choice.

yeah sure whatever. everything that coldplay does that oasis hasn't means nothing. grammys mean nothing. #1 albums in u.s mean nothing. radio/tv play now also mean nothing? it's how an artist gets bigger and gets known! how can it possibly mean nothing! but okay bud! i'm the idiot! :lol:

havent cracked america??? please. oasis have sold more than 7 million albums in the US.

^ oasis is a passing fad dude, you can't be considered the best if you can't crack rap/pop-filled american radio! that's the ultimate test!! :lol:

 

coldplay for president! :lol:

 

you are an idiot. Cracking the american market is all about sucking some industry wanks dick. It means nothing. Its all about choice.

yeah sure whatever. everything that coldplay does that oasis hasn't means nothing. grammys mean nothing. #1 albums in u.s mean nothing. radio/tv play now also mean nothing? it's how an artist gets bigger and gets known! how can it possibly mean nothing! but okay bud! i'm the idiot! :lol:

 

Yes sir, if you believe all that then yes, you are, Like I said beofre, awards are just for the music industry to salp each other on the back, they have no true meaning, you suck dick enough and play the game, ooo here, a Grammy.

Why do you think the Gorillaz said they didn`t want to be nomited for a Grammy ever and made the organisers pull them from the shortlists?

Like I said before, having an album at number at number is nice, yeah, but it`s not the major be and end all factor, the tour is, that`s what all the hard work boils down to, if your tour doesn`t do well, all the albums sold in the world isn`t going to help, the band see marginal returns from an album, then again Oasis I should imagine see quite a bit more in the UK seeing as Noel has his own record labal :lol:

 

See, as I need to keep repeating myself on the tour issue to people like you, you judge yourself on wether or not your an idiot. :D

i don't get why you think coldplay's tour is going so horribly. every review (i read practically all i can find! :lol:) i've read usually include "jam-packed" or "sold-out" somewhere in between. let me just say that for $90 bucks a pop, that tour is going very well for them. as for singles, coldplay sell their singles just fine, they've just never had #1 in the uk, though they've had in other countries. they've had #2,3,4, and prob just about every other number in the u.k, but not a #1. that doesn't mean that they can't sell singles well. just like don't believe the truth landing at #12 spot then declining, doesn't mean they can't sell albums in the u.s.

 

i like oasis, they were the best in the 90s. but they lost the better part of me with all the rehashing old songs into new albums crap, and the gallaghers let fame get to their heads too much.. liam bashing everything with two legs and two arms and i quite liked both paul's. it's true that the feeling is that they're not as relevant anymore. a 'best band' should have no problem getting radio play in the u.s and you don't have to kiss any ass to get a grammy and be recognized. that's nothing bad. it's crazy, but any given band/artist aren't really considered 'big' unless they are all over both british and american radio/tv. i couldn't consider them 'the best' anymore. but they're still quite alright.

Coldplay...because the lead singer of Oasis has a vocie that can eventually get annoying. So I can only listen to them for a wee bit of time. But Coldplay...that can go non-stop because he has a very sexy voice. And I can go for a very sexy voice anytime! ;)

 

hahaha

 

that's very true

 

;)

 

sexy voices win it for meeeeeeee

 

:cool:

i don't get why you think coldplay's tour is going so horribly. every review (i read practically all i can find! :lol:) i've read usually include "jam-packed" or "sold-out" somewhere in between. let me just say that for $90 bucks a pop, that tour is going very well for them. as for singles, coldplay sell their singles just fine, they've just never had #1 in the uk, though they've had in other countries. they've had #2,3,4, and prob just about every other number in the u.k, but not a #1. that doesn't mean that they can't sell singles well. just like don't believe the truth landing at #12 spot then declining, doesn't mean they can't sell albums in the u.s.

 

i like oasis, they were the best in the 90s. but they lost the better part of me with all the rehashing old songs into new albums crap, and the gallaghers let fame get to their heads too much.. liam bashing everything with two legs and two arms and i quite liked both paul's. it's true that the feeling is that they're not as relevant anymore. a 'best band' should have no problem getting radio play in the u.s and you don't have to kiss any ass to get a grammy and be recognized. that's nothing bad. it's crazy, but any given band/artist aren't really considered 'big' unless they are all over both british and american radio/tv. i couldn't consider them 'the best' anymore. but they're still quite alright.

 

The new Oasis album is amazing, and as for rehasing old songs, do you mean theirs or someone else`s, cos if you mean theirs, no two Oasis songs sound the same, and you certainly can`t level that praise at Coldplay, and if you mean someone else`s songs then so what? They give credit where it`s due, usually making whatever riff they`ve takesn sound better in the new song anyway.

 

Why should a best band have to get airplay in the US, it`s not the center of the earth, as much as many of you would like to think it is, and as far saying a band isn`t big unless they are all other american tv is just so arrogant, and would be okay if it was true, they are all over the radio in the UK and TV, and I believe it`s the same in other countries judging by the amount of bootlegs sourced from radio stations in other countries this year.

The US as a music scene really has no credibilty with music lovers in this country anyway, so why on earth would a band like Oasis, who apitomise everything British want to "crack" America, and no matter what you believe, breaking the US is all down to who you say yes to and agree with and suck up to, it`s always been that way, Chris Martin played the humble game with the US, that`s how Coldplay cracked it. "Oh, we are not worthy" is something the Gallagher brothers would never lower themselves to in order to sell a few more records, lets face it, they hardly need it.

 

Oh, and Coldplays tour has been nowhere the scale of Oasis, with many nights not filled, and smaller venues.

 

Well, I guess this is a losing battle, I really should know better than to dispute anything Coldplay on a Coldplay forum :rolleyes:

i repeat friend, a 'best band/artist' should have no problem getting in american radio. it's not rocket-science hard and what do you mean that you have to suck up to people? is that what you tell yourself...because man, you have a very twisted view of america if you think that every artist that's amazing here is because they suck up. no buddy, no. is because they're good. plain and simple. i mean you have to well damn be great, to get throught the bubble gum pop! :lol: but on a serious note, it's bothersome how you take all credit away of any band who do great at getting their songs requested on radio by saying that. you know oasis did get radio/tv play once.

 

coldplay has been humble since day 1. saying that they do that to sell records is quite low mate, and i can see you don't know much about coldplay if that's the string you're scrambling to try to pull. they have an interesting balance of self assurance and insecurity and come to think of it, oasis could use a little insecurity themselves.

 

i'm still not sure where your basis on coldplay's tour flopping is coming from when every reviews says otherwise, but whatever man i didn't come to this thread to argue. i just dropped an opinion. you oasisheads need to learn to just take an opinion and ride with it. not attack everyone's argument when saying that they're not as well recepted as they were in the 90s because well, they're not. but they're still pretty popular. better than nothing.

Well, I guess this is a losing battle, I really should know better than to dispute anything Coldplay on a Coldplay forum rolleyes.gif

 

I roll my eyes at you. Everyone on this forum likes Coldplay somehow, and you've got to realize not everyon thinks Oasis is amazing.

 

you oasisheads need to learn to just take an opinion and ride with it. not attack everyone's argument when saying that they're not as well recepted as they were in the 90s because well, they're not. but they're still pretty popular. better than nothing.

 

agreed.

i repeat friend, a 'best band/artist' should have no problem getting in american radio. it's not rocket-science hard and what do you mean that you have to suck up to people? is that what you tell yourself...because man, you have a very twisted view of america if you think that every artist that's amazing here is because they suck up. no buddy, no. is because they're good. plain and simple. i mean you have to well damn be great, to get throught the bubble gum pop! :lol: but on a serious note, it's bothersome how you take all credit away of any band who do great at getting their songs requested on radio by saying that. you know oasis did get radio/tv play once.

 

whats this about the reason bands get played on the radio b/c they are good? ha! thats a laugh, so now you're into Nickleback?my chemical romance? fall out boy? bon jovi? how about some pussy cat dolls? Give me a break, the music that isn't bubble gum pop on the radio is normally absolute shite, that doesn't mean there aren't rare DJs who will play the exceptional few quality. What if Coldplay weren't popular in the states and weren't played on the radio, would you still think they were the best band?

If you did, than your argument against all of us is just pointless.

 

you obviously know nothing about the music industry. You're view on it is very narrow minded, you're a typical american. But its expected.