More 9/11 Lies - Demolishing Buildings

[GazeboflossUK]

Spreading the truth again.....(all of this stuff was uncovered a while ago....but it always needs to be brought to attention)

 

The evidence that explosives were used in the 9/11 attack is so overwhelming that three full length films could have been made on the subject alone. In this 22 minute clip Alex reports from ground zero and talks to eyewitnesses who were there on the day who reported bombs. Alex also points out the relation of Building 7 to the twin towers and the impossibility that it could have collapsed from minimal fire damage. If this isn't obvious enough for people, I don't think anything will be.

 

VIDEO

 

WMV

http://70.84.33.210/~infomedi/video/previews/170305martialpreview2.wmv

 

QUICKTIME

http://70.84.33.210/~infomedi/video/previews/170305martialpreview2.mov

 

Setting up a controlled demolition takes weeks of careful planning. So why was building 7 already rigged with bombs before 9/11??? If building 7 was rigged then the north and the south towers were........

 

Please don't post attacks on this until you have watched the evidence on the video. It's amazing that people don't believe this stuff.

[Ted]

Arghhh...cant view them! Help me I really wanna see them!

[leeds113]

*downloading* think it works for me

[berrywoman]

:stunned:

 

I don't think anyone here in NY ever doubted that WTC 7 was knocked down from the fire or planes debris... I think it was pubically said that this specific building was demolished. HOWEVER... I still fail to believe that WTC 1 & 2 were victims of the same. The jet feul temperature inside that building can never be proven.. who's to say that it was more or less than 3000 F??? The people who were still seen hanging out the side of the building 'alledgedly' after all the fires were out... were no where near the imapct zones.. or the core of the buildings where the initial collapse ocurred. The firefighters tapes.... its no secret how bad their radios were that day... and communication was at its worse... so I think there was definitely miscommunication there.. as for Guliani knowing.... nah, I don't believe that for a second. Thats false right there. I don't think he was 'called'... I refuse to believe that one!! Maybe I am a bit biased on Guliani's stance on this whole thing because I lived it.... but, as Ian and Gareth have mentioned before... there is definitely the need for further investigation in this matter.. there are just too many unanswered questions and 'maybes'.....

[GazeboflossUK]

Hmmm...well..I personally think that the video's evidence is compelling to say the least.

 

But to be Demolished within hours like that is impossible....leading demolition company experts have said it takes weeks of careful planning that involves looking at the blue-prints and architectural drawings. Then they spend ages setting the charges. So they couldn't have put these explosives there on the day.

So...this means that all this planting of demolition charges was all thought out and set up beforehand.

 

So why did they do this??? Why??? It's all obviously linked, it's the prolonging of the impact. (although I think organising the deaths of thousands of americans by flying planes into the buildings was enough of an impact). And Larry Silverstein (who bought all the WTC buildings before 9/11 and took out that record insurance policy 3.5billion, which he was paid, giving him a 'profit' on these events of 3.3billion) He gained so much from this. He knew before 9/11 that his buildings were going down...he just did. Now he won't even comment of the fact that he said he had the building 'pulled' and refuses to talk to anyone.

Plus Building Seven was a CIA, FEMA, DOD (Dept OF Defense) and the city's command bunker/operations building. Goodbye evidence of involvement...!!!

 

The fact that the presidents brother (Marven Bush) ran the security for the whole complex and arranged the contract to end on september 9/11 is amazingly suspect (an understatement I feel).

Again...public records and also written by Barbara Bush in her own book!!!! :|

 

 

Plus the jet fuel temperature can be accurate because jet fuel can only burn up to a certain temperature - About 550 Degrees C slighty depending on conditions (oxygen flow..ect) Jet fuel can vary like this but not even half enough heat to melt the steel in the WTC....which would only begin to melt at 3500 Degree F (or 2000 C).

 

The Guliani phone call thing. He actually told ABC News that he was called up in the morning and told to get out of that building. This isn't fabricated stuff, it's on the public record along with the admission that he went to a FEMA command base that was set up the night before 9/11 - this is a congressional testimony - It's all been published and people can see.

 

I'm really not trying to be overly pushy on these area's ( :) ) I'm just going with my whole hearted belief in my own study of this and the information that is in those video's is thoroughly researched, documented and backed up by lots of "publc" evidence. Alex Jones doesn't want to waste his time and look like an idiot when the truth all comes out, because it will.

 

 

Hey, hyperthetically lets say that WTC 1 & 2 weren't 'pulled' or that devices that had fuel (or substances) that would have burned closer to 3000 F weren't detonated......that's hyperthetically.........that whole horrible day is still the worst crime I have ever witnessed in my lifetime.

 

G.

[berrywoman]

^ agreed..... I guess this is why I am having such a hard time believing whole heartedly that this was orchestrated....... I do think the government had warning of 'something happening'.... and did nothing to stop or prevent this.. yes I do believe that..... but, to believe that we killed our own people, or innocent people for that matter whether they were citizens or not.... Jesus Christ! Thats unphathomable.. (sp) Possible? Anything is possible right? But how sick to my stomach that makes me......

[GazeboflossUK]

Yes...it is very sickening....and I'm from the UK. Imagine how the families of those who perished feel....well I don't think I ever could quite understand how they feel.

 

 

OH, TED....did you manage to download one of those video's?

Just right click and 'Save As' (if your using windows that is)

[Matter-Eater Lad]

I shall watch them, seeing as how im home sick for awhile.

[berrywoman]

I shall watch them' date=' seeing as how im home sick for awhile.[/quote']

 

 

yeah.. you'll feel even more sick after watching them lol

[GazeboflossUK]

Yeah, and there's more and more very 'sickening' stuff in the full DVD from which these vids are from. But it's well worth watching.

[GazeboflossUK]

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[GazeboflossUK]

Controlled Demolition Of WTC: Compare and Contrast

 

This is what happens when a building collapses from a cause other than controlled demolition.

 

Link to pictures

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/july2005/060705compareandcontrast.htm

[GazeboflossUK]

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[GazeboflossUK]

And down they go..

 

World Trade 1 & 2 Center Demolished. (WMV Clip)

 

Looks even more clear in DVD quality.

 

Now when I watch all the original video's I have of the buildings falling...all I notice is the explosions that occur far below the falling section.

Here's a load of WTC Impact and Falling Video > http://www.areadownload.com/video/wtc.htm

[Matter-Eater Lad]

lets use common sense and logic please.

 

the planes knocked down the towers, nothing else but the planes caused it.

 

THE WORLD TRADE CENTER

The collapse of both World Trade Center towers--and the smaller WTC 7 a few hours later--initially surprised even some experts. But subsequent studies have shown that the WTC's structural integrity was destroyed by intense fire as well as the severe damage inflicted by the planes. That explanation hasn't swayed conspiracy theorists, who contend that all three buildings were wired with explosives in advance and razed in a series of controlled demolitions.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Widespread Damage

CLAIM: The first hijacked plane crashed through the 94th to the 98th floors of the World Trade Center's 110-story North Tower; the second jet slammed into the 78th to the 84th floors of the 110-story South Tower. The impact and ensuing fires disrupted elevator service in both buildings. Plus, the lobbies of both buildings were visibly damaged before the towers collapsed. "There is NO WAY the impact of the jet caused such widespread damage 80 stories below," claims a posting on the San Diego Independent Media Center Web site (sandiego.indymedia.org). "It is OBVIOUS and irrefutable that OTHER EXPLOSIVES (... such as concussion bombs) HAD ALREADY BEEN DETONATED in the lower levels of tower one at the same time as the plane crash."

 

FACT: Following up on a May 2002 preliminary report by the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA), a major study will be released in spring 2005 by the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST), a branch of the U.S. Department of Commerce. NIST shared its initial findings with PM and made its lead researcher available to our team of reporters.

 

The NIST investigation revealed that plane debris sliced through the utility shafts at the North Tower's core, creating a conduit for burning jet fuel--and fiery destruction throughout the building. "It's very hard to document where the fuel went," says Forman Williams, a NIST adviser and a combustion expert, "but if it's atomized and combustible and gets to an ignition source, it'll go off."

 

Burning fuel traveling down the elevator shafts would have disrupted the elevator systems and caused extensive damage to the lobbies. NIST heard first-person testimony that "some elevators slammed right down" to the ground floor. "The doors cracked open on the lobby floor and flames came out and people died," says James Quintiere, an engineering professor at the University of Maryland and a NIST adviser. A similar observation was made in the French documentary "9/11," by Jules and Gedeon Naudet. As Jules Naudet entered the North Tower lobby, minutes after the first aircraft struck, he saw victims on fire, a scene he found too horrific to film.

 

 

"Melted" Steel

CLAIM: "We have been lied to," announces the Web site AttackOnAmerica.net. "The first lie was that the load of fuel from the aircraft was the cause of structural failure. No kerosene fire can burn hot enough to melt steel." The posting is entitled "Proof Of Controlled Demolition At The WTC."

 

FACT: Jet fuel burns at 800° to 1500°F, not hot enough to melt steel (2750°F). However, experts agree that for the towers to collapse, their steel frames didn't need to melt, they just had to lose some of their structural strength--and that required exposure to much less heat. "I have never seen melted steel in a building fire," says retired New York deputy fire chief Vincent Dunn, author of The Collapse Of Burning Buildings: A Guide To Fireground Safety. "But I've seen a lot of twisted, warped, bent and sagging steel. What happens is that the steel tries to expand at both ends, but when it can no longer expand, it sags and the surrounding concrete cracks."

 

"Steel loses about 50 percent of its strength at 1100°F," notes senior engineer Farid Alfawak-hiri of the American Institute of Steel Construction. "And at 1800° it is probably at less than 10 percent." NIST also believes that a great deal of the spray-on fireproofing insulation was likely knocked off the steel beams that were in the path of the crashing jets, leaving the metal more vulnerable to the heat.

 

But jet fuel wasn't the only thing burning, notes Forman Williams, a professor of engineering at the University of California, San Diego, and one of seven structural engineers and fire experts that PM consulted. He says that while the jet fuel was the catalyst for the WTC fires, the resulting inferno was intensified by the combustible material inside the buildings, including rugs, curtains, furniture and paper. NIST reports that pockets of fire hit 1832°F.

 

"The jet fuel was the ignition source," Williams tells PM. "It burned for maybe 10 minutes, and [the towers] were still standing in 10 minutes. It was the rest of the stuff burning afterward that was responsible for the heat transfer that eventually brought them down."

 

 

Puffs Of Dust

CLAIM: As each tower collapsed, clearly visible puffs of dust and debris were ejected from the sides of the buildings. An advertisement in The New York Times for the book Painful Questions: An Analysis Of The September 11th Attack made this claim: "The concrete clouds shooting out of the buildings are not possible from a mere collapse. They do occur from explosions." Numerous conspiracy theorists cite Van Romero, an explosives expert and vice president of the New Mexico Institute of Mining and Technology, who was quoted on 9/11 by the Albuquerque Journal as saying "there were some explosive devices inside the buildings that caused the towers to collapse." The article continues, "Romero said the collapse of the structures resembled those of controlled implosions used to demolish old structures."

 

FACT: Once each tower began to collapse, the weight of all the floors above the collapsed zone bore down with pulverizing force on the highest intact floor. Unable to absorb the massive energy, that floor would fail, transmitting the forces to the floor below, allowing the collapse to progress downward through the building in a chain reaction. Engineers call the process "pancaking," and it does not require an explosion to begin, according to David Biggs, a structural engineer at Ryan-Biggs Associates and a member of the American Society of Civil Engineers (ASCE) team that worked on the FEMA report.

 

Like all office buildings, the WTC towers contained a huge volume of air. As they pancaked, all that air--along with the concrete and other debris pulverized by the force of the collapse--was ejected with enormous energy. "When you have a significant portion of a floor collapsing, it's going to shoot air and concrete dust out the window," NIST lead investigator Shyam Sunder tells PM. Those clouds of dust may create the impression of a controlled demolition, Sunder adds, "but it is the floor pancaking that leads to that perception."

 

Demolition expert Romero regrets that his comments to the Albuquerque Journal became fodder for conspiracy theorists. "I was misquoted in saying that I thought it was explosives that brought down the building," he tells PM. "I only said that that's what it looked like."

 

Romero, who agrees with the scientific conclusion that fire triggered the collapses, demanded a retraction from the Journal. It was printed Sept. 22, 2001. "I felt like my scientific reputation was on the line." But emperors-clothes.com saw something else: "The paymaster of Romero's research institute is the Pentagon. Directly or indirectly, pressure was brought to bear, forcing Romero to retract his original statement." Romero responds: "Conspiracy theorists came out saying that the government got to me. That is the farthest thing from the truth. This has been an albatross around my neck for three years."

[Matter-Eater Lad]

like voltaire said "common sense isnt so common"

[GazeboflossUK]

You always just come and Paste a big section of text which I doubt you really have read and compared it against information that really renders the "official story" inaccurate.

And your "Lets us Common Sense and Logic" contribution..??.?? I mean come on...lets use Logic??

I am using more than just logic and comon sense.

BUILDINGS THAT FALL DOWN LIKE THAT DON'T CRUMBLE TO THE FLOOR IN VERTICAL LINE!!

 

screw it anyway....I'm sick of talking to you about it. Clearly you will never even consider anything else....other than what you are told by your government - who went to war and destroyed country (or two) to find WMD that could attack the US - killing and destroying lives - only to realise that there were no WMD.

But no you are right....the offical 9/11 story couldn't possibly be a lie.......when are you going to work it out for yourself?? probably in a couple of years yet.

[Matter-Eater Lad]

hey the evidence speaks for itself. and its shown the planes did and can knock down the building. i cannot make you see what you dont want to see. even if their proof of it.

[GazeboflossUK]

ok. i'm not wasting any more of my time talking to you.

 

Someone else please?? :( :sick:

[Matter-Eater Lad]

hey i showed you plenty of evidence proving my side....its your loss if you cannot get pass your hatred for goverments and bush.

[GazeboflossUK]

hey i showed you plenty of evidence proving my side....its your loss if you cannot get pass your hatred for goverments and bush.

 

 

Your exactly right. I do hate Bush....and Cheney and Rumsfeld. They all are very bad men.

[Matter-Eater Lad]

Your exactly right. I do hate Bush....and Cheney and Rumsfeld. They all are very bad men.

 

cheney is. but bush and rumsfeld are good people. but man ill say this you should write books with the imagination you have and others that believe that shit. you guys could make some money. watch out big foot and the aliens of roswell are going to take over the goverment and brainwash us all...thats gonna be the next big conspiracey theory i bet. what will they think up next?

[berrywoman]

talking like that.... YOU sound like the one who's been brainwashed!! :laugh3:

[GazeboflossUK]

bush and rumsfeld are good people

 

HAHA....It's a wind up.

That's a keeper. :laugh1:

[Matter-Eater Lad]

talking like that.... YOU sound like the one who's been brainwashed!! :laugh3:

 

 

c'mon we all know big foot and the roswell aliens are working together to take over the earth...geeze have a open mind, 911 was just the beggenning of the conspiracey....im sorry but i cant help it..looney conspiracey theorist are fun to make up. now i know why people make them up. fun times.