I'm creating debate on coldplaying.com - hardly inciting a new generation of Islamic fanatics.

Well isn't that great.

Just pointing out where your debate falls, with the blatant prejudice.

thank you for evaluating. i shall consider it for future threads.

The proper title for this thread should be, "Ignorance Is Bliss" :rolleyes:

Fact: The majoriity of major conflicts up until 1900 were started by so-called 'Christians'. Does this make all christians war-like? NO!

 

How dare anyone dismiss an entire race or religion as vicious and violent?

 

On 9/11 I went to a local open mic to sing myself into a false sense of security. Most of us were singing about peace, but one a**hole took the time to slag off the entire muslim faith. 2 arab university stdents ran out of the bar in tears.

 

There are extremists in all faiths. You can't judge all by the acts of a few.

 

I know we're entitled to freedom of speech, but why is this F**KING thread even here?

 

Sad.

until I see a worldwide movement by muslims aimed at stopping their radical factions from killing innocents, I will continue to believe that the Islamic community tolerates the radical's actions, and therefore until then, Islam is not a peaceful religion in my opinion.

Islam isnt a violent religions, its a false one, but the people who take it as a violent religion arent truly muslims and use the religion for political purposes, much like the catholic church did in the middle ages. the religion of islam has been hijacked by military extremist like christianity during the middle ages.

If only there were a worldwide movement to stop the Vatican from sticking its nose into the bedrooms of it's people.

 

If only there were a worldwide movement among christians to disband the KKK.

 

You're right that peaceful people should endeavor to stop the wars started by their leaders. But that does not make all Muslims violent.

the KKK isn't a worldwide threat to kill people, unlike Islamic extremists. by and large, the KKK has been relegated to an impotent following of racists and rednecks in the U.S.

 

the Vatican does not impose its religious rulings by terrorizing people with death sentences, unlike some Muslim clerics and societies.

Why don't you try to make a thread about Blacks or Jews and see if it gets taken off. I don't know about Colombia' date=' but in the United States, I have the right to say or write anything I want. [/quote']

 

You're having a laugh aren't you?

 

Walk down the centre of new York and shout out something ramdom like I want to kill President Bush . . . do you think you will make it back here to post and tell us about it?

 

USA Patriots Act (H. R. 3162)

Key word: "some"

 

I'm sorry, your argument is now completely null and void.

You're having a laugh aren't you?

 

Walk down the centre of new York and shout out something ramdom like I want to kill President Bush . . . do you think you will make it back here to post and tell us about it?

 

USA Patriots Act (H. R. 3162)

 

assuming reasonable limits, jackass. should I put a disclaimer or legal endnote after every post? ass.

No offense, you're missing my point. No religious organization or ethnic group should be catagorically pre-judged. In this presant day, those organizations I mentioned are not as great a threat as Radical Islaam, I agree. What I'm saying is I don't judge all Christians by the actions of one leading church body or one extremist group. There are peaceful Muslims in the world. That's all I'm saying.

 

By the way, and not to start an arguement, because I'm off topic here, but White Supremacy is a rising concern across the US and Europe. Germany, Austria and Australia have all recently passed tighter laws concerning being a member of a White Supremacit organization.

Key word: "some"

 

I'm sorry, your argument is now completely null and void.

 

 

apparently you are blind in addition to being mouth-breather. the initial post on this thread states that Islam is a violent religion.

 

I never said that every single person that follows Islam is a violent person.

 

the religion they follow is violent.

 

keep trying though man, you might post something intelligent soon.

THis is bullshit.I'm outta here.

No offense, you're missing my point. No religious organization or ethnic group should be catagorically pre-judged. In this presant day, those organizations I mentioned are not as great a threat as Radical Islaam, I agree. What I'm saying is I don't judge all Christians by the actions of one leading church body or one extremist group. There are peaceful Muslims in the world. That's all I'm saying.

 

By the way, and not to start an arguement, because I'm off topic here, but White Supremacy is a rising concern across the US and Europe. Germany, Austria and Australia have all recently passed tighter laws concerning being a member of a White Supremacit organization.

 

 

are you unfamiliar with the Civil Rights Movement in the U.S. during the 1950s and 60s? the Voting Rights Act of 1963, which Congress and Bush just renewed? the bad days of race relations are behind the U.S. Good for the European countries as well.

On the Atlanta Highway, about half way between Atlanta and Athens, GA there is a resoraunt that still has 4 washrroms...2 for Blacks and 2 for whites. They don't enforce the rule, of course, but why are they even still there?

 

When I lived in Athens, I had a black friend...homeless...who loved to show off his high-school graduation certificate...and have his friends READ IT TO HIM!

 

Yes, we've come a long way, but we have a long way to go still. Anyway, this really is way off topic and I don't feel like fighting with other Coldplay fans. So, I really am off this thread this time.

what's the name of the restaurant? on 316? i'd like to see that for myself.

 

is it anyone's fault but his that he can't read? i understand the guy is homeless, and he must have gone to a govt. school to graduate while being illiterate.

UGH!!! I knew I should have avioded this thread! The resto was a mom n pop place...Mazi's, I think. This was in 1990 when I moved there, and I thought it was on the Atlanta Highway.

 

Was it anyone's fault but his.........I'm sorry but I find that deeply offensive.

My info is admittedly 14 years out of date, but at that time, teachers who didn't want to be bothered would still shunt students through. Slow white kids had the same problem...and yes, I think it was a govt. school, but I'm not going to claim facts I don't have.

http://www2.edtrust.org/NR/rdonlyres/9AB4AC88-7301-43FF-81A3-EB94807B917F/0/AfAmer_Achivement.pdf

 

Page 1 tells the tale.

Honestly.

 

The Catholic faith doesn't sponsor terror?

 

 

You people are so beyond blind, it's horrifying.

 

 

Here is an excerpt from a paper I wrote this year regarding the Irish Republican Army. Fuck you if you don't read this.

 

If one were to think of a car bomb detonating in the center of a crowded street, one's mind would immediately picture a dusty and brown country. The natives speak a harsh, foreign tongue. They dress in a traditional garb that one would easily label as "Arab". However, what if one were to say that the victims and perpetrators of this car bomb were actually white, middle class, Western English speaking people? It paints quite a different picture in the minds eye, one that's almost incomprehensible. Humans using other human's lives as ammo to fuel their cause is nothing new. Indeed, the United States of America has devoted itself to defeating "terrorism" all over the world. The focus is in the Middle East. Although, in the present day, this is the most extreme example of terrorism that the world faces, there is another country who's Northern half has been overriden by a militant force for years. The country is Ireland, and the organization is the IRA. This extreme group fights for a united Ireland, free from British influence and rule. Fear, death and the taking of human life is a tactic readily used by the IRA. Yet they have not succeeded in accomplishing their goal, only succeeded in dividing the country further.

 

....

 

Those who enter the IRA say they do so to liberate their homeland from the oppressive rule of England. However, one of the common links that is found among members of the Irish Republican Army is their strong link to religious faith, which is (in this case) Catholicism. In contrast, their enemies are associated to Protestantism, as this was the faith brought over by England when they gained control of Ireland. As certain Irish citizens began to rise up against what they felt was an imminent threat to their freedom and livelihood, the distinction between politics and faith began to become more and more blurred. Eamon Collins, a one time member of the IRA and now outspoken detractor from the organization, wrote of this dillemma in his book Killing Rage. He speaks of going to the National Museum in Dublin and staring at the blood stained clothes of those brutally executed by the British after the Easter Rising of 1916. "In my mind Plunkett, Pearse and Connolly were all linked together. They were all martyrs for our Catholic faith, the true religion: religion and politics fused together by the blood of the martyrs. I was prepared to be a martyr, to die for this true Catholic faith." (Collins, 37) Children were raised to associate the violence that the British inflicted upon them with the Protestants, as Collins explains, "My mother instilled in me the grievances of the vanquished. She helped convince me from an early age that the Irish had been the victims of terrible cruelties inflicted by the English and their Scots planters over many centures." He goes on to say, "I became hostile towards the Protestant-run state, although our family's friendship with Protestants confused my feelings." (Collins, 36) Although the IRA maintains that they are secular and strictly politically driven, "any understanding must admit that religion, politics, and economics are inseparably mixed." (Religious Terrorism) What has happened is not a simple targetting of the British, but also that of the Irish Protestants. It has widened the rift between fellow countrymen, neighbors and even families. "Republicanism gives a political legitimacy to the age-old pastime of spying on one's neighbours, turning neighbourhood vendettas into noble struggles." (Collins, 3) Perhaps one of the places where the difference between the religions is the most apparent is in the lyrics of traditional Irish folk songs, or "rebel" songs. Catholics were called the "Greens", whereas the Protestants were the "Oranges".

 

"Now when I'd sing those rebel songs, much to me mother's joy,

Me father would jump up and say, "Look here would you me boy.

That's quite enough of that lot", he'd then toss me a coin

And he'd have me sing the Orange Flute or the Heros of The Boyne

 

One day me Ma's relations came round to visit me.

Just as my father's kinfolk were all sitting down to tea.

We tried to smooth things over, but they all began to fight.

And me, being strictly neutral, I bashed everyone in sight.

 

My parents never could agree about my type of school.

My learning was all done at home, that's why I'm such a fool.

They've both passed on, God rest 'em, but left me caught between

That awful color problem of the Orange and the Green."

("The Orange And The Green", Brobdingnagian Fairy Tales)

 

 

Here's something you might not be used to picturing. A white male, clothed in terrorist garb, he shares your faith. He walks his children to school. He has a dog he loves. He goes to the local pub. But he also owns a machine gun and is responsible for countless car bomb efforts.

 

 

Islam is a violent faith? Please. Although it is directly associated by our media and the government propaganda machine with terrorism, do NOT be so generalized and CRUEL in your condescending, arrogant and blind in your views towards this FAITH.

 

Oh, I'm SORRY. I forget! This is a forum, a messageboard. We should all be detatched from reality and talk out our asses all the time. Forget respect and the common decency of spelling words at least slightly correctly. Forget capitalizing a faith's name. It all doesn't matter. How wrong I was.

 

Written word and public action cannot be ignored. Of course Catholicism is going to write a beautiful little book about loving thine neighbor. But their actions in the past (and indeed present) speak to the contrary. Not everyone is welcome in the Catholic faith. And if you were NOT of the "white man's religion" in the past, then you were simply a savage who will be persecuted until death eventually reaches you. How about the Native Americans, and their eventual slaughter at the hands of our own government? Those who converted were integrated into our culture. Those who did not, well, we all know what happened to them.

 

Oh yeah, and:

 

 

 

 

No one expects THAT. Please, of course everyone knows about the Spanish Inquisition. lmfao. Give me a break.

If only there were a worldwide movement to stop the Vatican from sticking its nose into the bedrooms of it's people.

 

If only there were a worldwide movement among christians to disband the KKK.

 

You're right that peaceful people should endeavor to stop the wars started by their leaders. But that does not make all Muslims violent.

 

why would christians disband the kkk? its not a christian group. just like terrorist arent muslims.

are you unfamiliar with the Civil Rights Movement in the U.S. during the 1950s and 60s? the Voting Rights Act of 1963' date=' which Congress and Bush just renewed? the bad days of race relations are behind the U.S. Good for the European countries as well.[/quote']

 

very true.

Honestly.

 

The Catholic faith doesn't sponsor terror?

 

 

You people are so beyond blind, it's horrifying.

 

 

Here is an excerpt from a paper I wrote this year regarding the Irish Republican Army. Fuck you if you don't read this.

 

If one were to think of a car bomb detonating in the center of a crowded street, one's mind would immediately picture a dusty and brown country. The natives speak a harsh, foreign tongue. They dress in a traditional garb that one would easily label as "Arab". However, what if one were to say that the victims and perpetrators of this car bomb were actually white, middle class, Western English speaking people? It paints quite a different picture in the minds eye, one that's almost incomprehensible. Humans using other human's lives as ammo to fuel their cause is nothing new. Indeed, the United States of America has devoted itself to defeating "terrorism" all over the world. The focus is in the Middle East. Although, in the present day, this is the most extreme example of terrorism that the world faces, there is another country who's Northern half has been overriden by a militant force for years. The country is Ireland, and the organization is the IRA. This extreme group fights for a united Ireland, free from British influence and rule. Fear, death and the taking of human life is a tactic readily used by the IRA. Yet they have not succeeded in accomplishing their goal, only succeeded in dividing the country further.

 

....

 

Those who enter the IRA say they do so to liberate their homeland from the oppressive rule of England. However, one of the common links that is found among members of the Irish Republican Army is their strong link to religious faith, which is (in this case) Catholicism. In contrast, their enemies are associated to Protestantism, as this was the faith brought over by England when they gained control of Ireland. As certain Irish citizens began to rise up against what they felt was an imminent threat to their freedom and livelihood, the distinction between politics and faith began to become more and more blurred. Eamon Collins, a one time member of the IRA and now outspoken detractor from the organization, wrote of this dillemma in his book Killing Rage. He speaks of going to the National Museum in Dublin and staring at the blood stained clothes of those brutally executed by the British after the Easter Rising of 1916. "In my mind Plunkett, Pearse and Connolly were all linked together. They were all martyrs for our Catholic faith, the true religion: religion and politics fused together by the blood of the martyrs. I was prepared to be a martyr, to die for this true Catholic faith." (Collins, 37) Children were raised to associate the violence that the British inflicted upon them with the Protestants, as Collins explains, "My mother instilled in me the grievances of the vanquished. She helped convince me from an early age that the Irish had been the victims of terrible cruelties inflicted by the English and their Scots planters over many centures." He goes on to say, "I became hostile towards the Protestant-run state, although our family's friendship with Protestants confused my feelings." (Collins, 36) Although the IRA maintains that they are secular and strictly politically driven, "any understanding must admit that religion, politics, and economics are inseparably mixed." (Religious Terrorism) What has happened is not a simple targetting of the British, but also that of the Irish Protestants. It has widened the rift between fellow countrymen, neighbors and even families. "Republicanism gives a political legitimacy to the age-old pastime of spying on one's neighbours, turning neighbourhood vendettas into noble struggles." (Collins, 3) Perhaps one of the places where the difference between the religions is the most apparent is in the lyrics of traditional Irish folk songs, or "rebel" songs. Catholics were called the "Greens", whereas the Protestants were the "Oranges".

 

"Now when I'd sing those rebel songs, much to me mother's joy,

Me father would jump up and say, "Look here would you me boy.

That's quite enough of that lot", he'd then toss me a coin

And he'd have me sing the Orange Flute or the Heros of The Boyne

 

One day me Ma's relations came round to visit me.

Just as my father's kinfolk were all sitting down to tea.

We tried to smooth things over, but they all began to fight.

And me, being strictly neutral, I bashed everyone in sight.

 

My parents never could agree about my type of school.

My learning was all done at home, that's why I'm such a fool.

They've both passed on, God rest 'em, but left me caught between

That awful color problem of the Orange and the Green."

("The Orange And The Green", Brobdingnagian Fairy Tales)

 

 

Here's something you might not be used to picturing. A white male, clothed in terrorist garb, he shares your faith. He walks his children to school. He has a dog he loves. He goes to the local pub. But he also owns a machine gun and is responsible for countless car bomb efforts.

 

 

Islam is a violent faith? Please. Although it is directly associated by our media and the government propaganda machine with terrorism, do NOT be so generalized and CRUEL in your condescending, arrogant and blind in your views towards this FAITH.

 

Oh, I'm SORRY. I forget! This is a forum, a messageboard. We should all be detatched from reality and talk out our asses all the time. Forget respect and the common decency of spelling words at least slightly correctly. Forget capitalizing a faith's name. It all doesn't matter. How wrong I was.

 

Written word and public action cannot be ignored. Of course Catholicism is going to write a beautiful little book about loving thine neighbor. But their actions in the past (and indeed present) speak to the contrary. Not everyone is welcome in the Catholic faith. And if you were NOT of the "white man's religion" in the past, then you were simply a savage who will be persecuted until death eventually reaches you. How about the Native Americans, and their eventual slaughter at the hands of our own government? Those who converted were integrated into our culture. Those who did not, well, we all know what happened to them.

 

Oh yeah, and:

 

 

 

 

No one expects THAT. Please, of course everyone knows about the Spanish Inquisition. lmfao. Give me a break.

 

 

Catholics arent christians, just like the terrorist are not muslims. The Catholic belief is one very different then that of the bibles or jesus's, just like the modern day terrorist beliefs are different then what islam teaches. well i guess is kinda of a christian belief, but a very warped belief used by corrupt men to gain power over people. but what the catholic church does and preaches is very different then what jesus preached and wanted and very different then what god said he wanted the church to be.

why would christians disband the kkk? its not a christian group. just like terrorist arent muslims.

For all our debates, I'm glad you showed up here! I'm not calling the KKK a christian organization. They are a radical group who embrace hatred in the name of god. There's a similarity there between them and radical Islamic groups. You sort of made my point for me.

 

an -cat: I'm glad you posted that paper of yours. I frankly was too lazy to go into my thoughts on the church's deeds over the centuries. You summed it up nicely.

 

All faiths have both govererning bodies and splinter groups who create and spread terror. It doesn't make any of them any more or less violent than the next.