nobody likes abortion, but you can't go around running peoples lives. pretty big fuckin' balls to judge someone in a certain situation that you've never been in.

hey ladies & gents, if we're opening a new debate, lets keep the personal insults out of this.

 

the previous debate is here for anyone who is interested. http://www.coldplaying.com/forum/showthread.php?t=26142

 

unbiased viewpoint is here: http://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/ethics/abortion/child/alive_1.shtml

 

will carry on when home from work.

hey ladies & gents, if we're opening a new debate, lets keep the personal insults out of this.

 

the previous debate is here for anyone who is interested. http://www.coldplaying.com/forum/showthread.php?t=26142

 

unbiased viewpoint is here: www.bbc.co.uk/religion/ethics/abortion/child/alive_1.shtml

 

will carry on when home from work.

 

Well it's the title of the thread which gets people's backs up. I think all "Truth About" threads should be banned, because it presents an opinion as FACT, which is totally erroneous!!;)

nobody likes abortion' date=' but you can't go around running peoples lives. pretty big fuckin' balls to judge someone in a certain situation that you've never been in.[/quote']

 

Precisely. That's exactly the point I made earlier.;)

Sod science or religion, its about a persons choice.

 

Every situation is different so its really upto the mum - why should someone who doesnt understand her situation decide?

 

 

Exactly - and if it were banned, abortions would just become "backstreet" again, like decades ago, putting the lives of countless women at risk.

Go and watch the film "Cider House Rules", and you might understand the horrors of this a bit more.;)

this is a very interesting theme. too bad it's gone wild and into insults already after 2-3 replies (!!!)... it just shows how much the board changed during the last months...

we had a pretty interesting discussion about abortion some months ago and people could debate about a subject without insults and "lock suggestions" (you know, expressing opinions isn't forbidden)

 

 

But the title of this thread is expressing an opinion as "fact", which is what has caused all the trouble.:angry:

the pro-choice view http://www.abortionrights.co.uk

Its ironic that Nick wants everyone to carry around a lethal weapon but isnt for abortion.

 

Abortion is nasty - i think we can all agree on that, but to force women to carry children will result in more broken homes, more unwanted kids in care and as such you can guarantee the crime rate will rise.

 

To force people to do something is something i find appalling. People should always have a choice.

 

And what if the child was disabled? Wouldnt it be cruel to make it suffer?

 

Carrying lethal weapons saves lives. Stopping abortions saves lives. Thats why

 

So its more appalling to force someone not to murder someone then it is to allow them to kill a human? Thats what is sick, its more appalling to force them to have the child then it is to KILL a human....

Its basically this, you dont believe the fetus is a human or you dont care. Its you're a idiot or a monster. Science says its a human, so to deny that mean you're a moron. To accept that and say oh well and still be for abortion means you're a sick monster

 

because how can anyone say a womens inconvenience is MORE important then another human life. Now in cases where the mother in danger it should be legal, but when its just they dont want the kid it should not. Murder SHOULD be illegal, but i guess people are ok with murder, or are ignorant and dont believe it is.

Exactly. And the "scientific research" is often funded by interested parties who have something to gain from pre-arranged "findings". It's all a sham.;)

 

See that is true for the science you believe. Science is science, next you're going to be saying the world is really flat:rolleyes: To deny science means you're just stupid.

Its basically this, you dont believe the fetus is a human or you dont care. Its you're a idiot or a monster. Science says its a human, so to deny that mean you're a moron. To accept that and say oh well and still be for abortion means you're a sick monster

 

because how can anyone say a womens inconvenience is MORE important then another human life. Now in cases where the mother in danger it should be legal, but when its just they dont want the kid it should not. Murder SHOULD be illegal, but i guess people are ok with murder, or are ignorant and dont believe it is.

 

You're totally warped!!:stunned:

Sod science or religion, its about a persons choice.

 

Every situation is different so its really upto the mum - why should someone who doesnt understand her situation decide?

 

Theres a good article in the book Freakonmics that shows how the crime rate went down when abortion was made legal in 70's america - less unwanted kids turning to crime.

 

Then theres the class issue - poor families will have a higher burden on themselves, whereas the rich can afford better schools, healthcare etc.

 

Sod science? this is true science from very high up and intelligent scientist. I hate people who deny science and the facts just because they dont fit their personal opinion.

 

why should someone who doesnt understand her situation decide?

 

Maybe, just maybe because a human life is at stake in this case....that could be the reason. The government decides its illegal for me to kill my friend because im mad at him.....you rights should ALWAYS end when you're harming another human being.

 

I believe in everyone should be allowed to do whatever they want as long as no one else is hurt or killed. If a women wants to do drugs, or kill herself or a guy, i dont care, they should have a right to it. But when what they want to do hurts or kills another human, then their rights should end.

 

Bottom line its you're either a monster or a idiot on this subject. You dont care about human lives OR you dont believe in science you dont like, thus an idiot.

You're totally warped!!:stunned:

 

Yes warped people value human lives, you sick bastard

Yes warped people value human lives' date=' you sick bastard[/quote']

 

You want to force women to be prisoners of their own bodies. It's sick.:angry:

You want to force women to be prisoners of their own bodies. It's sick.:angry:

 

Yes compared to be more sick and let a innocent human die....that is far more sick. Its a bad situation either way, the more moral choice would be to save a life

You're faced with 2 choices, force a women to be a prisoner or kill a human or let it happen, the moral highground would be to save a life. Both options are pretty bad, but saving the life is the better one.

You're faced with 2 choices' date=' force a women to be a prisoner or kill a human or let it happen, the moral highground would be to save a life. Both options are pretty bad, but saving the life is the better one.[/quote']

 

No it isn't, because you are refusing a woman the right to choose how she lives. You're a misogynist!!:angry:

No it isn't' date=' because you are refusing a woman the right to choose how she lives. You're a misogynist!!:angry:[/quote']

 

And thats worse then murder? and by doing that you're making the decision for the kids life, so either way you'd be making a life decision for a human. Just one decision lets both live usually and the other does not

 

so why is it not ok to make the decision for the mom but ok for the kid? kinda hypocritical;)

And thats worse then murder? and by doing that you're making the decision for the kids life, so either way you'd be making a life decision for a human. Just one decision lets both live usually and the other does not

 

 

No it wouldn't, because it's more than likely the "mother-to-be" would end up so depressed and desperate she would end up killing herself one way or another.;)

No it wouldn't' date=' because it's more than likely the "mother-to-be" would end up so depressed and desperate she would end up killing herself one way or another.;)[/quote']

 

You cannot say that with any evidence or reason. Thats just an opinion. And if she did that would be HER choice, i believe a person has a right to suicide if they so wish. So you want to kill more lives just because a few mothers might take their own? again a few mothers lives are more important then millions of kids? thats sick:veryangry2:

 

If they killed themselves thats their decision/problem, but a baby cannot choose death or life. thats why it must be protected.

Any way you cut it, you're wanting innocent human life to be killed so a mother does not have to spend 9 months with the baby. It sick to say human live should be killed for such a stupid reason.

Hey, cool...read back a few, some of us left comments.

 

What about exceptions?

Hey, cool...read back a few, some of us left comments.

 

What about exceptions?

 

When the mothers lives in danger yes. as far as rape, no why should we kill another human because its father was evil? that is more evil thne rape. As far as physical handicaps, no fucking way should we do that. Im not sure about mental handicaps.

So it's okay to fuck up a woman's mind for the duration of a pregnancy? I'm sorry, but I don't think it's worth bearing a child who's going to scar his or her mother's mind. FOR THE REST OF HER LIFE.

So it's okay to fuck up a woman's mind for the duration of a pregnancy? I'm sorry' date=' but I don't think it's worth bearing a child who's going to scar his or her mother's mind. FOR THE REST OF HER LIFE.[/quote']

 

Actually most women that have abortions report depression and other mental problems because of the abortion, so if you're trying to use that excuse, it does not work for the pro choice side.

 

But like i said saving a human life is most important.