They're not human beings thou - they're feteuses, just a mass of cells.

 

And stop calling people who dont agree with your thinking murderers.

 

"...and so by the close of the first trimester the fetus is a sentient, moving being. We need not speculate as to the nature of his psychic attributes, but we may assert that the organization of his psychosomatic self is well under way."

--Dr. Arnold Gesell, Yale

But science says otherwise. They're just as human as you or I, just a different stage in their life. So thus killing a living human is murder anyone who agrees with it supports the murder of millions. So they are indeed human, just in a different stage then the way most look. Just as 1 week old looks alot different then his/her self at 20 years old and then at 80. Legally no, they are not considered by law to be human, but science considers them to be. They're just as human as you or I.

 

A Fetus has a heart, a brain waves "brainwaves are recorded at an ... Fourteen weeks into pregnancy, the fetus has fully developed legs"

"Two weeks after conception, the embryo has a developing brain and rudimentary heart.3 Three weeks after conception, the baby has a working heart, the beginning of vertebrea, a closed circulatory system"

 

Five weeks after conception, the embryo has developed smaller organs such as a bony jaw3, and by six weeks, it has fully developed a vertebral column , ribs3, a four-chambered heart, fingers, and nostrils2. The baby also has a developing nervous system, and brainwaves are recorded at an average of 40 days after conception.2 Death is often defined as the cessation of brainwaves, and it follows that the presence of these brainwaves guarantees the individual life of the fetus.

 

You're so right, just because it has a brain, human organs and is living, its not human, its all about looks. If it does not look like a newborn its not human.:rolleyes:

 

So pro"choicers" are either morons who dont listen to science, genetics or are monsters.

Nine weeks into the pregnancy (about 2 months), the baby can feel pain4. In ten weeks, the baby has developing fingernails, and also begins to move by itself2. By eleven weeks the baby has the fingerprints that will identify it for the rest of its life. Twelve weeks after conception, the baby's gender can easily be determined, it is able to swallow, and its kidneys are able to make urine2.

 

I guess when it feels pain, its not a living human yet either:rolleyes:

We still have some morons stuck in the dark ages.

Really? maybe if you didnt hate free speech and human life i wouldnt say that to you;)

 

No - I hate dictators like you!!;)

We still have some morons stuck in the dark ages.

 

Yes - you are one of them.;)

Yes - you are one of them.;)

 

says the man who thumbs his nose at science:laugh3:

They're not human beings thou - they're feteuses, just a mass of cells.

 

And stop calling people who dont agree with your thinking murderers.

 

Yup. He's been warned and he's still doing it.

:rolleyes:

 

Don't forget to vote mrfool for "Person most likely to......................... " in the awards, folks!!;)

So your personal opinion is that a fetus is not human? Is that what you're saying mark?

says the man who thumbs his nose at science:laugh3:

 

I'm afraid you've been "blinded" by it.;)

I'm afraid you've been "blinded" by it.;)

 

Why do you hate science so much?

Well mark, how do you defind a human?

Guess you do not have an answere.

I think this cleary show's the fetus is a human, thus a life and killing it would be murder

 

"Two weeks after conception, the embryo has a developing brain"

 

"brainwaves are recorded at an average of 40 days after conception."

 

It has a human brain, human brain waves, a human heart, thus its a living breathing human, all that is different is that its in the mother stilll and is in its early stage of life. Like all humans as time passes they change physically, like a fetus does to a baby, the only real diffrence is looks, its still a human.

So since im not a women' date=' we shouldnt stop them from killing. thats sick[/quote']

 

Twisting one's words lead nowhere.

 

It's not like you know how's it to carry a living being inside you.

Or do you :rolleyes: ?

 

Anyhow...pregnancy is optional. No women HAS to be pregnant one day.

But...of course...if it happens she gets pregnant and doesn't want it....she's the one who's responsible for baby's life. Aside with God, moral, and everything else.

 

I think this decision's up to women. If they decide they don't want the baby...let them abort. It's her matter of business. It's her life. As long as baby's strictly "connected" with her, it's all up to her.

After all, she IS human being, too. Capable of making desicions.

 

So...yes, I support abortion.

Twisting one's words lead nowhere.

 

It's not like you know how's it to carry a living being inside you.

Or do you :rolleyes: ?

 

Anyhow...pregnancy is optional. No women HAS to be pregnant one day.

But...of course...if it happens she gets pregnant and doesn't want it....she's the one who's responsible for baby's life. Aside with God, moral, and everything else.

 

I think this decision's up to women. If they decide they don't want the baby...let them abort. It's her matter of business. It's her life. As long as baby's strictly "connected" with her, it's all up to her.

After all, she IS human being, too. Capable of making desicions.

 

So...yes, I support abortion.

 

Is that wise?? This means mrfool will now add you to his "moronic monster" list!!:rolleyes:

Its basically this, you dont believe the fetus is a human or you dont care. Its you're a idiot or a monster. Science says its a human, so to deny that mean you're a moron. To accept that and say oh well and still be for abortion means you're a sick monster

 

because how can anyone say a womens inconvenience is MORE important then another human life. Now in cases where the mother in danger it should be legal, but when its just they dont want the kid it should not. Murder SHOULD be illegal, but i guess people are ok with murder, or are ignorant and dont believe it is.

 

 

I'm totally agree with you

I'm totally agree with you

 

What a revelation!!:rolleyes:

Quite ironic - the only who supports Nick is the one who said the holocaust never happened.

Mark why are you afraid to answer my question? or does anything BUT name calling scare you? Is using your brain that hard? or do you hate thinking AS much as you hate science?

Quite ironic - the only who supports Nick is the one who said the holocaust never happened.

 

Yes it is.

 

So im guessing you dont believe a fetus is human? Whats a human then? i mean it has a brain, brain waves, a heart and its living and breathing, how is it not human?

 

Science proves its a human, once a person has a unique brain, with waves and a heartbeat they are human.

Quite ironic - the only who supports Nick is the one who said the holocaust never happened.

 

 

Why it's ironic?:rolleyes:

Yes it is.

 

So im guessing you dont believe a fetus is human? Whats a human then? i mean it has a brain, brain waves, a heart and its living and breathing, how is it not human?

 

Science proves its a human, once a person has a unique brain, with waves and a heartbeat they are human.

 

Showing us, not PROVING, that fetus is in fact a human being---well HELLO!

 

I never said anything opposite. I only said that until the baby's born, s/he's one with mother. So she can do with the baby whatever she wants. It's expected she will not torture herself in spite of a baby!

Well, DUH!

Showing us, not PROVING, that fetus is in fact a human being---well HELLO!

 

I never said anything opposite. I only said that until the baby's born, s/he's one with mother. So she can do with the baby whatever she wants. It's expected she will not torture herself in spite of a baby!

Well, DUH!

 

Its a seperate person though, thats the thing. Its still 100% human, the only difference is its attached and inside the mother.

 

Let me say this, where you are does not make you what you are. What you're basically saying is that the fact its in the mother attacked to her makes it not human or maybe just does not have rights. But where you are or what you're attached too does not make you human or not human.

 

So just because its "one" does not make he/she any less human, and all human no matter where or what they are attached to deserve rights and killing a living human is murder

 

what you're saying is like this; conjoined twins are "one" but they are still human, so using your logic, a conjoined twin would have the right to kill his/her brother.

 

Bottom line is they are just attached, not ONE, they have seperate bodies, a seperate mind, similar genetics but still the fetus is genetically different, unique would be a way to describe it. So to say two different being living in the same body are one, is wrong. As long as it is human, wits its OWN seperate brain and brain waves it is 100% and deserves rights, much like conjoined twins.

 

Oh and its not "one" with the mother, it has a different brain with different waves, different dna, its feels and thinks seperately from the mother, thus its not one with her, but just connected and inside of her. No matter what you're connected to, every human deserves rights. and that exactly what a fetus is.

Bottom line where you are or who or what you are connected to does not determine who or what you are, and does not make it anyone elses decision about your life. No matter how you slice it, the fact its connected to the mother inside of her does not make the fetus not human, the fact it has its own unique dna, with organs and a brain that is working shows it is 100%. THus killing something that is human is murder and murder is never ok unless its for saving someones life in defence, which leads me to if the mother is in danger of death it would be ok, otherwise killing a human is wrong.

 

Genetics, science and medicine prove its a living human.

"African-Americans and Native-Americans both felt the brunt of a system which denied their humanity, stripped their personhood and subjected them to horrors beyond measure. While the legal framework that made such injustice possible has now been removed, it remains firmly in place for unborn Americans."

 

"99% of all U.S. abortions, the woman having the abortion chose to have sexual intercourse in the first place. Therefore, it could just as easily be argued that these women already made their choice when they chose to engage in behavior that often leads to pregnancy. Ultimately, restricting a woman's right to abortion does not restrict a woman's right to not be pregnant. Abortion, after all, does not keep a woman from being pregnant. Abstinence does that. Abortion simply ends the pregnancy of an already pregnant woman by killing the embryo or fetus living within her."

 

So im "pro-choice" because a women and man choose to have sex, thus they have a choice to have ababy or not. so women should have the choice, but not the choice to murder

 

You're doing what slave owners and the people who killed millions of Native Americans did, legally made them not "human" thus deviod of rights. But as far as human they are made of the same things we are, and just like us, just in a different life stage. That kind of reasoning is what leads to genocides, which has happened too often in america, first the native americans, then the slavery of black people, and now the mass murder of humans because they arent legally humans. Same went for jews in nazi germany. Its down right evil

 

Also you're saying the mother owns her child, thus saying one human can morally own another. It may be legal in america now for this, much as slavery was but that does not make it morally Ok. No one should legally be allowed to own another human being, morally or legally.

Bottom line where you are or who or what you are connected to does not determine who or what you are, and does not make it anyone elses decision about your life. No matter how you slice it, the fact its connected to the mother inside of her does not make the fetus not human, the fact it has its own unique dna, with organs and a brain that is working shows it is 100%. THus killing something that is human is murder and murder is never ok unless its for saving someones life in defence, which leads me to if the mother is in danger of death it would be ok, otherwise killing a human is wrong.

 

Genetics, science and medicine prove its a living human.

 

Are you deaf?!

 

I'll put it this way, since there's no way I could tell you anything I think.

 

Baby grows in mother.

It does have it's own dna.

But that dna belongs to mother, no one other than her, and she's the only one responsible for it. Not church, not science, but a HUMAN BEING.

If she cannot / does not want to carry it, well....that's not YOUR problem nor Church's. It's mother's!

 

Are you a mum-to-be?

I thought so.

 

So lay off this topic cos, all this infos may be intersting by itself...but you're being extremly annoying.

 

And if you find an alternative for a mother....be free to use it for against the abortion.

Since then, sayonara, my friend.