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As surprising as this may be to some people, there is no debate within the medical community as to when life begins. Life begins at conception. Therefore, every "succesful" abortion ends the life of a living human being, and we're not asking you to take our word for it. Consider the testimony below from an assortment of leading embryology textbooks.

This is just propaganda!! Disgraceful!!:angry:

Yeah science is propaganda!!!!! damn we need to go back to the days where the earth was flat and we were the center of the universe! that evil science is all propaganda! saving lives, who the fuck cares? right? who needs to help out fellow human being.

 

You're a pathetic excuse for a human, no morals

^No woman should be forced to carry a child if she doesn't want to.

It's completely barbaric!! You should be ashamed of yourself.:angry:

This should be locked immediately as it's only going to cause aggro!!:angry:

^No woman should be forced to carry a child if she doesn't want to.

It's completely barbaric!! You should be ashamed of yourself.:angry:

This should be locked immediately as it's only going to cause aggro!!:angry:

 

So killing a child is ok if the mother does not want to do it. So that makes it more moral?

 

What is barbaric is KILLING CHILDREN. Causing a mother 9 months of discomfort is barbaric, but killing an innocent child is not? youre a sick fucker.

 

And if you dont agree with it, it should be locked? so you're ok with killing children and hate free speech, youre a sick bastard.:stunned:

Its just hard to hear someone say an inconvenience like having to carrying a child is barbaric, BUT killing the fucking innocent child is not.

Then on top of that you add in the phycological affects it has on people, plus the physical things, its harmful to the mother aswell.... you're and people like you are putting an inconvenience of a human OVER another humans LIFE. that is sick.

# Professor Micheline Matthews-Roth

Harvard University Medical School

 

"It is incorrect to say that biological data cannot be decisive...It is scientifically correct to say that an individual human life begins at conception."

 

# Dr. Alfred M. Bongioanni

Professor of Pediatrics and Obstetrics, University of Pennsylvania

 

"I have learned from my earliest medical education that human life begins at the time of conception."

 

# Dr. Jerome LeJeune

Professor of Genetics, University of Descartes

 

"After fertilization has taken place a new human being has come into being. [it] is no longer a matter of taste or opinion...it is plain experimental evidence. Each individual has a very neat beginning, at conception."

 

# Professor Hymie Gordon

Mayo Clinic

 

"By all the criteria of modern molecular biology, life is present from the moment of conception."

 

# Dr. Watson A. Bowes

University of Colorado Medical School

 

"The beginning of a single human life is from a biological point of view a simple and straightforward matter – the beginning is conception."

You sound like one of those typical Christian extremists. It's very easy for you to spout off as it's impossible for you to ever be in that position yourself.

Totally reprehensible!!:veryangry:

You sound like one of those typical Christian extremists. It's very easy for you to spout off as it's impossible for you to ever be in that position yourself.

Totally reprehensible!!:veryangry:

 

Im not debating this from a religious standpoint, religion has NOTHING to do with this for me, its about HUMAN LIVES. you know good humans want to save lives not destory it...oh wait you dont give a rats ass, nevermind.

 

I use science to prove my point, not religion. what have you used? nothing. So cut the bullshit. I have humanity and science on my side.

 

So lets leave stupid religion OUT of this, ok? lets debate the facts, not religion.

There are no facts - just propaganda presented as such. You've fallen for it yet again.;)

Its ironic that Nick wants everyone to carry around a lethal weapon but isnt for abortion.

 

Abortion is nasty - i think we can all agree on that, but to force women to carry children will result in more broken homes, more unwanted kids in care and as such you can guarantee the crime rate will rise.

 

To force people to do something is something i find appalling. People should always have a choice.

 

And what if the child was disabled? Wouldnt it be cruel to make it suffer?

Its ironic that Nick wants everyone to carry around a lethal weapon but isnt for abortion.

 

Yup. He's full of double standards.;)

 

Abortion is nasty - i think we can all agree on that, but to force women to carry children will result in more broken homes, more unwanted kids in care and as such you can guarantee the crime rate will rise.

 

To force people to do something is something i find appalling. People should always have a choice.

 

Well said. Forcing people to do things against their will is what the Nazis did.;)

what if the woman was raped? she should be forced to have a care for a child from a man who is not her husband or lover. And you talk about the child, how traumatizing is that for a kid to find out that his dad wasnt even a guy who ran off AFTER conception, he wasnt even with her! he was a bum who raped her!

 

What if the womans life is in danger? The Fetus's heart does not begin beating till the 6th week of pregnancy, its just a little ball of embryo until then!

 

 

plus that site you list is an obvious anti abortion site, they will publish one side of the story. also, abortion is going to happen whether you like it or not, legal or not, there will always be people who will get it done. Back in the day illegal abortions were performed, people could die, BOTH the fetus and the mother. Its far better this way.

 

let me also make it clear that i myself would never sanction abortion in my own home simply because thats not how i would react to this. Unless my daughter or wife was raped, or it would put their life in danger, i would recommend having the child, and if she is to young to take care of the baby, i would take it in(just because i dont want anyone in my family line to have to go through any orphanages).

 

But thats another thing, you would see a HUGE rise in the already packed orphanages.

 

And you claim science is on your side, but let me ask you this, do you believe in the big bang theory or a "higher power"??? because many people i know try and use science only when it is convenient for them.

what if the woman was raped? she should be forced to have a care for a child from a man who is not her husband or lover. And you talk about the child, how traumatizing is that for a kid to find out that his dad wasnt even a guy who ran off AFTER conception, he wasnt even with her! he was a bum who raped her!

 

What if the womans life is in danger? The Fetus's heart does not begin beating till the 6th week of pregnancy, its just a little ball of embryo until then!

 

 

And you claim science is on your side, but let me ask you this, do you believe in the big bang theory or a "higher power"??? because many people i know try and use science only when it is convenient for them.

 

Exactly. And the "scientific research" is often funded by interested parties who have something to gain from pre-arranged "findings". It's all a sham.;)

what if the woman was raped? she should be forced to have a care for a child from a man who is not her husband or lover. And you talk about the child, how traumatizing is that for a kid to find out that his dad wasnt even a guy who ran off AFTER conception, he wasnt even with her! he was a bum who raped her!

 

What if the womans life is in danger? The Fetus's heart does not begin beating till the 6th week of pregnancy, its just a little ball of embryo until then!

 

 

And you claim science is on your side, but let me ask you this, do you believe in the big bang theory or a "higher power"??? because many people i know try and use science only when it is convenient for them.

 

Exactly. And the "scientific research" is often funded by interested parties who have something to gain from pre-arranged "findings". It's all a sham.;)

I want bring up the rape issue in a different light. I personally think abortion is wrong, EXCEPT for a rape.

 

Think about this: for nine months (and if she choose not to put it up for adoption an eternity afterward), a woman will look at the child she'll give birth to after that rape, and will be forced to remember the horror that brought that child into being. Is it right to permanently scar a woman's memory by making something that should be loved into something that dredges up horrible memories?!

this is a very interesting theme. too bad it's gone wild and into insults already after 2-3 replies (!!!)... it just shows how much the board changed during the last months...

we had a pretty interesting discussion about abortion some months ago and people could debate about a subject without insults and "lock suggestions" (you know, expressing opinions isn't forbidden)

 

actually, it's a difficult subject. there are many persuasive opinions against and for abortion.

 

for example, one of you mentioned "to be raped". even if you think the obvious solution would be the abortion, i'd disagree. why? because:

 

1. the child can be adopted, if the mother doesn't want to keep him/her

2. many countries' birth rate has fallen down, one of the reasons among many other could be the increasing number of abortions

3. and of course killing a human (even if it's "only" embryo) is horrible

 

on the other hand. the mother should decide herself if she wants to keep the child or she doesn't. it is her child, and in my opinion if she feels that she's too young or too immature or she's not really ready for giving a birth or if she had a terrible sexual experience (e.g. raped), she can make the abortion. but then again, it's her decision, and i'm not the person who would judge her, neither any of you ;)

 

to be honest, i still couldn't decide whether i am for or against. it still seems to be a really difficult question to me...

Sod science or religion, its about a persons choice.

 

Every situation is different so its really upto the mum - why should someone who doesnt understand her situation decide?

 

Theres a good article in the book Freakonmics that shows how the crime rate went down when abortion was made legal in 70's america - less unwanted kids turning to crime.

 

Then theres the class issue - poor families will have a higher burden on themselves, whereas the rich can afford better schools, healthcare etc.

i am very pro choice. If you dont like Abortion, dont have one (as i would never sanction one) same with being gay, if you dont agree with gay rights, dont be gay!

if you dont agree with gay rights' date=' dont be gay![/quote']

 

Eh?

im simply making a comparison to the similarities seen in the opinions on gay rights and abortion, if you dont agree with them, dont do them

im simply making a comparison to the similarities seen in the opinions on gay rights and abortion' date=' if you dont agree with them, dont do them[/quote']

 

I was just confused about what you actually meant.....

 

For a minute I thought you were saying that gay people could choose to be straight or somehow not gay......?

oh no not at all

Abortion is wrong and tragic.