No, I'm trying to point out that any religion shouldn't be allowed to dictate to the laws of a land, whatever those laws might be, and whatever the reasons might be for making them.

You can believe whatever you like, but you can't expect another society/culture to change its ways just to accommodate those beliefs, or there would be no end to it.

The "Nudist" Religion could then come along and say they believed they would be eternally damned if they didn't walk around naked 24 hours a day.

And who knows what the Scientologists might demand!!:stunned:

 

Seriously man, stop comparing the Islam with Scientology or Nudist religion (I don't think there's even one).

 

Millenary traditions and beliefs (they are part of people's culture), when they do not harm the people themselves, should be respected because then we aren't being tolerant towards others and we are being part of the same cycle of wrath and destruction (colonialism, Eurocentrism, war, etc) humanity has been through for thosands of years. I'd just advice you to open up your mind a little bit. The use of Burkha, when not impossed doesn't hurt anyone.

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It doesn't matter what the Muslim countries/Taliban/what-have-you might make their citizens do, as part of the free world it is a first-world country's responsibility to give freedom to people. D'you think the Muslim countries would be any better about their restrictive rules if we didn't set an example?? It's similar nuclear disarmament -- nobody's going to get rid of their nukes unless everyone else does to.

 

And about the Nazi/KKK uniform/nakedness point Mark has recycled about five times -- hell, I think people should be able to wear those uniforms, too. Good luck getting any services or jobs if you're walking down the street with a swastika on your biceps, but we have no reason to disallow this, especially because both the Nazi party and the Ku Klux Klan are virtually defunct now. And going around naked certainly won't hurt anybody, either, so that's just an awful argument.

 

This is clothing we're talking about. (Or lack thereof, I suppose.) It's not going to hurt anybody. It's only a matter of you deciding to force your personal tastes and beleifs down others' throats, or not. Last time I checked dominating people into accepting your ideas was a bad thing, but I suppose it's just a-OK if you're convinced your ideas are the right ones, or that's the way it would seem.

 

:shifty:

 

 

Sorry, but there must be some rules.

Woah woah woah. No, it's definitely a choice to cover your face with something; it's not your choice if the government of your country of choice punishes you if you do so.

 

Ergo, by telling women not to wear a burqa you are forcing your choice upon them, ergo you are just as bad as anyone else who does this; you just think you aren't because you think you're right. But who are you to say what's right and what's not?

 

I could say the same to you if you forced naked people to cover up against their will.;)

And as I said before, it's governments that make the laws, not individuals OR religions (thankfully), otherwise there would be complete and utter chaos.;)

Sorry, but there must be some rules.

 

I'm just one of those radically liberal dangerous people, I guess.

 

But seriously, if someone wore a KKK uniform into the local five-and-ten-cent store they'd probably get mobbed by patrons of said store anyway. I'm pretty sure not many people would really wear a KKK uniform even if they were allowed to.

Seriously man, stop comparing the Islam with Scientology or Nudist religion (I don't think there's even one).

 

No. It's perfectly relevant, as I'm just saying you can't pander to everyone's religious beliefs, whatever they might be, to the detriment of a nation or society, or you would just have total anarchy.;)

 

Millenary traditions and beliefs (they are part of people's culture), when they do not harm the people themselves, should be respected because then we aren't being tolerant towards others and we are being part of the same cycle of wrath and destruction (colonialism, Eurocentrism, war, etc) humanity has been through for thosands of years. I'd just advice you to open up your mind a little bit. The use of Burkha, when not impossed doesn't hurt anyone.

 

As I've said before, there are many people who find it shocking, anti-social and offensive for various reasons, and that's why the issue is being debated. Just because YOU have no problem with it doesn't mean you are right either!;)

I could say the same to you if you forced naked people to cover up against their will.;)

And as I said before, it's governments that make the laws, not individuals OR religions (thankfully), otherwise there would be complete and utter chaos.;)

 

But that isn't something I would ever do, so you can just shut up.

 

Anyway, the job of a government is to appease its people so that it will not be removed; so indirectly it is individuals making the laws; or the majority, at least. Thankfully intolerant people are not in the majority in most first-world countries, so our governments are infinitely nicer and filled with more bunnies and rainbows then, say, Iran's. (And Iran is essentially a theocratic state anyway.)

Sorry, but there must be some rules.

 

Exactly, or there'd be total anarchy;)

I'm just one of those radically liberal dangerous people, I guess.

 

But seriously, if someone wore a KKK uniform into the local five-and-ten-cent store they'd probably get mobbed by patrons of said store anyway. I'm pretty sure not many people would really wear a KKK uniform even if they were allowed to.

 

I'm not sure about that. Here's the proof.

 

http://www.whitepride.tv/

But that isn't something I would ever do, so you can just shut up.

 

Anyway, the job of a government is to appease its people so that it will not be removed; so indirectly it is individuals making the laws; or the majority, at least. Thankfully intolerant people are not in the majority in most first-world countries, so our governments are infinitely nicer and filled with more bunnies and rainbows then, say, Iran's. (And Iran is essentially a theocratic state anyway.)

 

And why are the people (particularly young women) rebelling there? Because of the extremist, mysoginistic religious laws, that's why.;)

I'm not sure about that. Here's the proof.

 

http://www.whitepride.tv/

 

That organization is part of the people who would get beaten up at the five-and-ten-cent store, though. Or they would if they wore KKK hoods.

 

Those people are not common, Paul. You can tell cuz their website is so damn ugly :dozey: If they had a bunch they'd probably have a web designer who would make a pretty White Supremacist homepage.

I'm not sure about that. Here's the proof.

 

http://www.whitepride.tv/

 

Is it a religion??:stunned:

If it is, and they're allowed to do what they like, we're all doomed!!:shocked2:

By the way, I notice that the poll scores are now tied.;)

And why are the people (particularly young women) rebelling there? Because of the extremist religious laws, that's why.;)

 

Exactly, if it were only that that damn theocratic state was a shade more tolerant, everything could be made of bunnies and rainbows there, too!!

Is it a religion??:stunned:

If it is, and they're allowed to do what they like, we're all doomed!!:shocked2:

 

Oh, no... :stunned:

By the way, I notice that the poll scores are now tied.;)

 

Rong.

 

Anyway since you didn't make the poll public there's no way of telling if somebody is messing with the poll for their own weird narcissistic pleasure anyway.

That organization is part of the people who would get beaten up at the five-and-ten-cent store, though. Or they would if they wore KKK hoods.

 

Those people are not common, Paul. You can tell cuz their website is so damn ugly :dozey: If they had a bunch they'd probably have a web designer who would make a pretty White Supremacist homepage.

 

:lol: Good point.

Rong.

 

Anyway since you didn't make the poll public there's no way of telling if somebody is messing with the poll for their own weird narcissistic pleasure anyway.

 

Well obviously it keeps changing, but it's very tight anyway, which is what I would expect.;)

Well obviously it keeps changing, but it's very tight anyway, which is what I would expect.;)

 

It's especially what you'd expect if you were messing with the results :whip:

 

*slanderslander*

30th page...

 

 

 

 

And we're still arguing.

It's especially what you'd expect if you were messing with the results :whip:

 

*slanderslander*

 

You could say that about any poll........................... :dozey:

You could say that about any poll........................... :dozey:

 

Unless you make it public.

30th page...

 

 

 

 

And we're still arguing.

 

Wow, Sherlock, I didn't notice :P

 

It doesn't look like anybody's going to give an inch on this issue but I suppose we're going to keep trying :rolleyes:

Let's have a look at the results.

 

 

Yes - it has no place in modern society!! 8 38.10%

No - women look great dressed in a blanket!! 10 47.62%

I prefer to sit on the (of)fence 3 14.29%

 

Voters:21.

 

Wow, Sherlock, I didn't notice :P

 

It doesn't look like anybody's going to give an inch on this issue but I suppose we're going to keep trying :rolleyes:

 

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