THE AGE OF STUPID?

[Heiner]

http://www.ageofstupid.net/

 

Are you among the "stupid" ones? Do you think climate prognosis' are hysterical?

Do you feel responsible? What do you do about it? Do you give a shit?

Good night guys. :kiss:

 

http://the-wave.org.uk/

^ This is a neat example of action, I think.

[Reilly]

Hate to be the one who says this, but we're just doomed. Even if we do somehow solve the problem of climate change in the next handful of decades, over-population is a much bigger problem. Within the next few years there will be 7 billion people on earth, that means that since the 50's the population has increased 3.5 times! If that continues (And theres no reason why it shouldnt) then the planet simply wont have anywhere near enough natural resources to survive.

[Heiner]

Yeah, you're right, but I don't think, that this could excuse us from trying to at least fuck things up

as gracefully as possible. I love your siggy.

[Matter-Eater Lad]

Climate change has been happening since the earth began. I know we like to think ourselves as great, but were not changing the climate.

[an angel]

I'll let my great-great-grandchildren worry about this. :nice:

[Heiner]

You think it's all being hysterical?

[Heiner]

I'll let my great-great-grandchildren worry about this. :nice:

 

Cool attitude. :nice:

[Matter-Eater Lad]

You think it's all being hysterical?

 

It's a scam by elitist to get more money and power. Let's focus on real environmental issues, not fake climate change. If the amount of money and time was spent on something real instead of "global warming" or "global cooling", we could actually make progress.

[Heiner]

What are the real environmental issues then?

[Matter-Eater Lad]

Over-fishing, massive amounts of waste in the ocean and rivers. Pollution that creates cancer and other health problems. None of those will be solved if we give money to liars who want power.

[Heiner]

Who are those elitist liars? What do they want to do with that power?

 

And it's not about the climate alone, hell, it's not that black and white.

[Matter-Eater Lad]

Who are those elitist liars? What do they want to do with that power?

 

And it's not about the climate alone, hell, it's not that black and white.

 

Governments and scientist who stand to make billions and gain more authority. The recent emails coming out show many of them are willing to change data to get their way.

 

Humans are idiots, who will always be victims to scams of fear. It's sad but true.

[Reilly]

Yeah, you're right, but I don't think, that this could excuse us from trying to at least fuck things up

as gracefully as possible.

 

I agree but from just briefly looking at that website, I hate this partonising way that people are going about campaigning about climate change. Granted, I know nothing about the film (Partly because the site gives no real insight into what makes this film unique) but I hate me and every other person in the western world being lumped into the 'Age of Stupid' in such a vague way.

 

OK so it makes sense that I boil exactly as much water as I need in a kettle, that I allow hot food to cool on the table instead of the fridge, meanwhile tons of toxic waste is being pumped into the Pacific, airplanes are spewing carbon dioxide flying around over my head, boatloads of 'recycling' is being shipped to China to sit in a landfill, am I really going to make a difference?

 

At this stage the only chance of reversing climate change is to deeply invest in political campaigning and the most important thing of all is to bring to account companies based within developed means operating in countries that have corrupt governments and couldn't give a shit about how they operate.

 

It all comes down to pure human greed, and unfortunately the richest people on earth are often the most ignorant, they don't realise they dont give a shit about their grandchildren or the survival of the human race, but thats the reality of it.

 

Id be naive to think that these powerful people's way of thinking is going to u-turn within the next decade.

 

BUT- if all of that did happen, we'd still be overpopulated, as I mentioned in my last post. So I hate to be so gloomy, but I can't see it any other way.

 

And thanks for liking my siggy :nice:

 

Climate change has been happening since the earth began. I know we like to think ourselves as great, but were not changing the climate.

 

'Global warming' is a different thing, and although it would still be happening without human beings intervention, we are definately speeding up the process of it, thats what people are concerned about.

[Matter-Eater Lad]

'Global warming' is a different thing, and although it would still be happening without human beings intervention, we are definately speeding up the process of it, thats what people are concerned about.

 

Solar activity plays a larger role. We've been cooling since 1998. Ice is expanding and polar bear population has increased 5 fold since 1979. Create a problem or illusion of it and become the only solution is the way to become/stay wealthy and powerful.

[Matter-Eater Lad]

Remember Reilly, terrorist, jews, swine flu, y2k, bird flue, sars are going to kill you unless you give up more money and freedom.

[Reilly]

Thats strange, The Age of Stupid part 2/3 just started on BBC4 in the UK

[Matter-Eater Lad]

It's funny how the people screaming the loudest about this create copious amounts of pollution. Like the conference in Copenhagen where they all fly in their private jets and cars creating massive amounts of the things that are "causing global warming". If they practiced what they preached, I'd be more inclined to listen. But you can tell it's a fraud by elitist when they want everyone else to live a way but them.

[Heiner]

The emoish approach of some of the campaigners is something I am quite fond of. They are scared shitless, and why not. :lol:

To not see the plus, because of their patronising is so boring, imo.

 

And again, even if we're doomed, which I pretty much agree with, why not act up anyway?

[Heiner]

It's funny how the people screaming the loudest about this create copious amounts of pollution. Like the conference in Copenhagen where they all fly in their private jets and cars creating massive amounts of the things that are "causing global warming". If they practiced what they preached, I'd be more inclined to listen. But you can tell it's a fraud by elitist when they want everyone else to live a way but them.

 

Those who meet in Copenhagen are not those who're yelling the loudest, are they?

And what does their pollution output whilst travelling has to do with the actual problem.

Such facts just irritate and distract from the main issues.

[an angel]

Those who meet in Copenhagen are not those who're yelling the loudest, are they?

And what does their pollution output whilst travelling has to do with the actual problem.

Such facts just irritate and distract from the main issues.

 

The fact is that they're being hypocrites by telling us how to live while they fly out in their private jets and drive in their big SUVs.

[Reilly]

It's funny how the people screaming the loudest about this create copious amounts of pollution. Like the conference in Copenhagen where they all fly in their private jets and cars creating massive amounts of the things that are "causing global warming". If they practiced what they preached, I'd be more inclined to listen. But you can tell it's a fraud by elitist when they want everyone else to live a way but them.

 

Because people have jumped on the bandwagon to make a buck means the original argument is now rendered useless?

 

Scientists have been campaigning about global warming for decades in some cases, its the harsh weather conditions that have brought it to light in the last decade. Politicians, celebrities, CEOs, have used it as a way of promoting their apparent ethos and make more money, but thats completely irrelevant, the problem is a lot more long term then self-indulgent bastards. Also irrelevant is bringing up the buzz words that tabloids use such as terrorists and bird flu, the topic is about global warming, its been an issue for some people before our generation, and similar to people in power, just because the media is capitalising on it when its become an issue, does the original argument suddenly go away?

[Matter-Eater Lad]

Those who meet in Copenhagen are not those who're yelling the loudest, are they?

And what does their pollution output whilst travelling has to do with the actual problem.

Such facts just irritate and distract from the main issues.

 

They created a massive amount of pollution from all their planes and cars and the conference itself to cut down on the very thing they're creating?

 

My point was the conference created a copious amount of pollution they are saying is destroying the earth. It's the elitist attitude of you can't do it but we can.

[Heiner]

@ ceolsige: Yes, they do. But is that a good reason for you to not get active?

 

And I'm in no way linked to those film-makers. I just found that and thought it could make for a discussion- starter.

[Reilly]

Such facts just irritate and distract from the main issues.

 

Sums up my last post.

 

Nick and Kelsie, it doesnt matter about their SUVs and private planes because if they weren't using them to get to a climate change conference, they'd just be using them to go somewhere else.

 

If there was to be a change, everyone would have to adopt a Zen-like attitude towards people in power instead of finger pointing, like Heiner said it just distracts from the main point.

 

We'd need to embrace any campaign for a better environment, even if its coming from hypocrites, because whining about how theyre elitist and ruining the world more then anyone is a waste of time and isnt going to change anything.

 

"It's the elitist attitude of you can't do it but we can."

 

One of the many reasons that I dont think humanity will be able to survive, our collective attitude of "If they aren't going to do anything about it, neither am I."

[Matter-Eater Lad]

Because people have jumped on the bandwagon to make a buck means the original argument is now rendered useless?

 

No the majority of scientist and governments behind this, moving it forward are doing it to gain power and money. Without them this wouldn't be a issue because their isn't enough science to back it up. It was picked up by power hungry elitist who have made it an issue to gain money and power. Without that drive it would not be a major issue.

 

Scientists have been campaigning about global warming for decades in some cases, its the harsh weather conditions that have brought it to light in the last decade.

 

In the 70's in was global cooling. We're all going to freeze.... They weren't getting enough money of power, so the majority knew to use fear to make it an issue. Scientist have used it for power and wealth. The recent emails showing many willing to fudge the data to get their points proven is evidence that real science by the majority has been thrown out the window because of greed.

 

Also irrelevant is bringing up the buzz words that tabloids use such as terrorists and bird flu, the topic is about global warming,

 

It goes to show the people in power or those who want power will make issues up or make small issues large with fear to gain money and power. Fear is the way for anyone to get power and money. Scientist wanted more money and power, "we're all going to die from global cooling. Oops I mean global warming...oh wait it's back to global cooling"

 

Government and the defense industry trying to make us constantly afraid for terrorist so we give them more money and power.

 

It goes along with my whole point of elitist will always use fear, make it up or amplify something to scare people into doing what they want.

 

just because the media is capitalising on it when its become an issue, does the original argument suddenly go away?

 

Media? It's governments, private sector and scientist capitalizing on false fear to gain wealth and power. The real data has been lost in the propaganda and fear-mongering used to gain power and wealth for those pedaling it.