that's her. it's in german.

 

 

 

Wenn aber mehr und mehr Leute so was auf die Beine stellten, oder etwas anderes, je nachdem was man so kann, natürlich würde es die Welt ändern. Eh, jetzt kann ich auch kein Deutsch mehr, hahaha. Nighty Julia! :)

 

 

edit: oh ja, die Atomdebatte, mal sehen, was hinter dem Moratorium tatsächlich steckt. Glaube aber schon, das sich hier was ändert, also zumindest in Deutschland. Wir sind gar nicht so übel, im internationalen Vergleich!

that's her. it's in german.

 

 

 

Wenn aber mehr und mehr Leute so was auf die Beine stellten, oder etwas anderes, je nachdem was man so kann, natürlich würde es die Welt ändern. Eh, jetzt kann ich auch kein Deutsch mehr, hahaha. Nighty Julia! :)

 

ahh cool, dankeschön:wacko:

 

Ja, das auf jeden Fall....ich habe mir irgendwie zum Ziel gesetzt, dass ich irgendwann mal sowas mache...irgendwas um manche Dinge zu verändern...vlt mit Musik....nicht nur auf Umwelt bezogen, sondern unsre Gesellschaft allgemein....

 

wooo sorry guys

 

Nighty Valerie:nice:

 

edit to your edit: Ja ganz genau so sehe ich das auch! Und hm naja jetzt mal unter uns (haha) ich finde man erkennt die Präsenz der Debatte auch ein wenig hier im Forum, wenn man so die Threads zum Thema durchliest.....ich hab den Eindruck, dass wir da am meisten dagegen sind oder uns der Sache am meisten bewusst sind...keine Ahnung

btw....have you seen this, Valerie?

 

http://www.spiegel.de/kultur/gesellschaft/0,1518,751683,00.html

 

found this some minutes ago....kinda appropriate to the edit in my post before....annoying article

Oh ja, i've read that, not very meaningful, agreed. In fact I find the reduction of what happens here atm to being just hysterical rather cheap and senseless. i think she's historically wrong.

 

here's a piece about the same topic, which has a different approach to 'german angst'.

you'll feel much better after reading that.

 

http://www.zeit.de/2011/13/German-angst

ah nice article...I agree with...thanks for posting:)

I don't see how this age is any more stupid than the others.

It's just reported a hell of a lot more and we are more aware of mistakes than we were.

There has always been greed, self interest, war and failure to protect the people sufficiently.

The Age Of Stupid is just a sound bite to try and provoke people into action, but hey, if it works then good stuff.

"World headed for irreversible climate change in five years, IEA (International Energy Agency) warns

 

If fossil fuel infrastructure is not rapidly changed, the world will 'lose for ever' the chance to avoid dangerous climate change"

 

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2011/nov/09/fossil-fuel-infrastructure-climate-change

 

 

Thanks to everybody who thinks shit can go on like this for ever.

This is very much linked to the Occupying movement btw. Think for yourselves.

I cannot explain, beause if people seriously still don't see the connection between our Wests's consumption terror and all this. It's driving me crazy, that ignorance. Crazy.

Get active now, please. Goddamn...

 

 

Beautiful, don|t you think.

 

Our planet, ourselves, all those plants and scents, and sounds and animals and the great technologies we've invented, etc.etc.

Doesn't that mean anything to you? YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR IT (not for what was done in the past, but in regard of how to clean up this mess! START TAKING CARE NOW! WAKE UUUUUUUP, for God's sake. What information else do you need, Jesus Christ?

Go join your Occupying movement and help finding new ways of conduct among ourselves and in regard of all that's there on this planet. Because that'S what they are doing there, trying to do, hoping to achieve. But it needs much more of us, much much more.

 

Go demonstrate! If we are more and more, we might have a chance of changing things, you know. Regardless of our religious beliefs and sexual orientation and nationalities and and and. It might still be possible.

 

What's your fucking problem, guys. What's your fucking problem. Apathy? Is that an excuse

any longer, with the occupying movement? Nope, I'm sorry, it's not. IT'S NOT.

Haven't you previously apologised for such presumptuous behaviour? I guess you don't learn. Welcome back AGAIN by the way (Though you didn't appear to actually leave? Attention seek much?).

 

Anyway, do you know how many articles like that have been written in the last decade? Also I believe at a few points new 'irreversible' damages to our atmosphere has actually happened, and now they're saying we have 5 years to literally stop climate change? Global warming is inevitable regardless of humans, whether we're speeding it up is the issue.

 

Its really naive if that article is your wake up call.

I'll let my great-great-grandchildren worry about this. :nice:

 

My thought process as well. :nice:

The amalgamation of ecological destruction, unethical economics, ignorant or apathic masses, racism, misogyny but also misandry, homophobia, administrations profusely connected to mafias, sarcasm and douchebaggery on the internet (= immaturity of our species), denial of scientific facts, utterly meaningless religious fundamentalism, respectless distribution of resources, genocides (e.g, Tibetans), growing rates of depression and consumption of psychotropic drugs, generations of paedophile priests and teachers getting away with it, and and and, it's something I've been working against for very long (there goes my frustration and chut, maybe you understand that now).

 

But it doesn't help unless a majority of this world's people rise and say no. I'm very positive that the so called OWS movement is the start of exactly that, linked to that are ANONYMOUS who've been doing great things beyond hierarchies and vanity for much longer, those guys are brilliant. Google what they are planning to do in Mexico, they are real heroes of our times. I got to meet some of them in Frankfurt, wonderful, wonderful spirit so far. People are meeting all over the world now since October 15th (not much coverage in the mainstream media yet) and they discuss all this with each other. They talk and hope and think that they will find sustainable solutions for all that primitive shit we've all created. They think that focussing on that and putting our minds together and talking about our irritations and insecurities, that slowly, organically, something will come up, something prolly very new yet simple. As I've mentioned somewhere here , the practices to find a consensus from a greater lot of individuals, atm called general assemblies, are a key part of that. We need a massive paradigm shift inside our heads and collectively so for that to happen. I strongly believe, that when we get spring in the northern hemisphere, that this is going to become very very big. And then we can altogether really change the world. And I mean that, exactly as it stands there.

 

So I'll do my best to keep it rolling, as does Cobalt, as does Chuck with his enlightening posts and as does Nancy with tirelesslessly posting news about the mess, as do many more.

 

Had hoped to spark some sort of enthusiasm for the idea of trying to change the global and local perversions, because it needs more people! That's all.

Since there's so much silence from the rest of the board, I take it that the invocations really aren't appreciated much. :disappointed::D

Yep, it took me another round to get it. I really am sorry, if it's so annoying, my bad. I seem to create resistance rather than sympathy for the cause, me fool.

The way Nancy and Chuck try to raise awareness is less confrontative and thus far more talented. I'll go on doing the things that I'm talented at.

 

I've seen too many people here mentioning how they are depressed, that plain horror of a life, which I've suffered from myself far too long, is inseperably linked to the crazy lies we are swallowing every day. With our ethics changing to sustainability and true fun and care, many people can stop the self-desructive hopelessness, stop having to eat pills in order to cope with their lives. The women of Afghanistan can stop burning themselves which many do as the only means to get free from the woman-hating primitive culture they were born in. We can altogether think of how to cope with overpopulation. Ha, many women in the third world would be happy to NOT bear ANY child, if they would get asked. Tibetans and many other refugees can go home to their countries and start healing the wounds which all our ignorance has brought upon them.

We can put up administrations, run by ourselves, which favour and encourage sustainability and empathy rather than greed. We still need to deal with sickness and death and

criminal minds. But we might find solutions. That's what we are discussing in those camps. How can anyone make fun of that. How can you call this attention-seeking, when I try to tell you about all that.

 

 

@Reilly, maybe you read this wiki-site, it's about a manipulative technique, which you (unconsciously, I'm sure) started using in the tea-party-thread.

It's called 'gaslighting', and...hm... I'm not playing such games, that's why I decided to step out of that conversation. I honestly, though apparently too lowbrow for you,

tried to solve our misunderstandings, but you reacted with sheer mild gaslighting again and again. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaslighting

A tad wittier and smarter than McSquared, but it's still the same unintelligent bullshit. I'm far too tired of that to get examples from your posts, because I only expect further

gaslighting and denial of it being what it is. I expect you to now mention how I was a coward to not give examples. But now that I mentioned that, I expect you to tell me again how arrogant I am to assume such things and blahblahblah. That truly is a bit too dumb for me.

From my point of view this makes you what you guys call being a tool for the current system, championing apathy and the mocking of idealsists (whom in my book are the realists, btw). Since you are actually a caring and helpful person a lot here, which I always liked about you (and have mentioned that in #Tea Party),

I still don't fully get what went wrong. I still am sorry for my part in this, which you keep ignoring.

 

 

I wonder, if the rising of people being fed up gets very massive next spring or even this winter, what position you guys will take then. :sneaky:

I totes get it, that you will have a tiny blast about how senseless my efforts (and the others', who leave you alone?!) am when it won't happen.

 

OH SUCH THE SHAME! :P

What does THAT have to do with what I wrote in this topic? And you're totally right, I am going to say you're being arrogant to just assume that everything is on me, and once again resort to this grander picture of how what I'm saying is totally irrelevant because it's part of some big ploy I suddenly have against you. You're paranoid.

 

The only thing I can relate this 'gaslighting' to is that I did mention you said you were leaving the forum, well you did, on my VM page, on a few different topics on here. While we're on mental disorders, if you can't remember that I think you conveniently block things out. When it comes to making actual examples to prove your maddening conspiracy theories about me your always 'too tired' or 'above that', it's a load of bullshit. If you really had anything you would tell me about it, that I'm sure of.

 

My post in this thread was mainly about how this is yet another "final warning" Guardian article, and I do read the Guardian but every paper has its flaws. Try and focus on what I'm writing for once instead of constantly trying to piece it together with some big jigsaw that I'm apparently against everything about you and everything you stand for, I've seen plenty of your posts recently and they've mainly been fine or ignorable, this time the one in this thread was just too annoying for me not to say anything.