Grow up will you. Religion and science are not equal. Its like saying harry potter is equal to science. Get a grip and stop getting yourself so worked up over people saying things about religion. Also yes science can learn lots from religion, for instance, how memes spread through childhood indoctrination. Religion is poison.

 

you don't hold back do you, you just say it as it is :laugh3:

Yeh the day when religion is finally gone will be a greater human achievement that landing on the moon I think, well maybe not that but it would be huge. scientific progress would step into 5th gear overnight.

 

you may know this already but the part of the brain that controls worship and mindless following is the reptilian brain. We still have it in our head, along with the even more primitive brain stem and more recent mammalian brain.

The reptillian brain also controls territorial agression, sex and racism. It is possible to bypass this part of the brain straight to the cerebal cortex but unfortunately some people do not posess that seemingly easy ability. So in essence what im saying is we all the capablilty to ignore religion but indoctrination is a hard thing to shake.

Ultimately indoctrination can also be explained on a darwinian level but I wont bore you :)

 

 

I read somewhere, that not believing in God and not being a part of any religion is an evolutionary novel thing to do. We have evolved to stay in groups (tribes) and follow what the group does, in the past if we went against the group we would literally die. So atheists and agnostics are going against billions of years of evolution.

^ No, it's not. Evolution doesn't work that way. Being part of a group or not doesn't need to have to do with it. If an organism in a group evolves a novel trait that gives it a significant higher fitness than the others, the trait is thought to spread through the population and if no equilibrium is formed with former traits or something (think of a trait-off), the next generations will be like the not-mutant-anymore organism. This trait might even be not-believing-in-God or whatever, you see? I rather see being a atheist or agnost as a trait instead of it meaning that you are against a group. I'm sure that waaaay back in time there were plenty people not believing in God but just not mentioning it (so it had no effect in the group in that respect) like now there's plenty gay people that sadly don't mention it (like in the fucking USA army), because it's not accepted by others.

 

Ah fuck, I can't explain it the way I want to ... this sucks and I'm too lazy to spend more time on it :( I'll leave it like this.

 

btw, just throwing it in here: Why is it always that people are arguing about the whole religion vs. science thing? I know plenty of very religious people who are scientists. It all goes well together, who would have thought? ;)

you don't hold back do you, you just say it as it is :laugh3:

 

Only because i'm sick of this guys snotty little comments towards me and because he doesn't reply directly to me, but yeh I generally don't like to beat around the bush lol.

^ No, it's not. Evolution doesn't work that way. Being part of a group or not doesn't need to have to do with it. If an organism in a group evolves a novel trait that gives it a significant higher fitness than the others, the trait is thought to spread through the population and if no equilibrium is formed with former traits or something (think of a trait-off), the next generations will be like the not-mutant-anymore organism. This trait might even be not-believing-in-God or whatever, you see? I rather see being a atheist or agnost as a trait instead of it meaning that you are against a group. I'm sure that waaaay back in time there were plenty people not believing in God but just not mentioning it (so it had no effect in the group in that respect) like now there's plenty gay people that sadly don't mention it (like in the fucking USA army), because it's not accepted by others.

 

Ah fuck, I can't explain it the way I want to ... this sucks and I'm too lazy to spend more time on it :( I'll leave it like this.

 

btw, just throwing it in here: Why is it always that people are arguing about the whole religion vs. science thing? I know plenty of very religious people who are scientists. It all goes well together, who would have thought? ;)

 

 

thanks I will look more into the evolution thing.

 

I think the point we are trying to make in regards to religion and science, is that both of them are on the opposite ends of the spectrum. Some people think we should give religion the same respect we give science, because they are somehow equal, but they are not equal. Religion is based on faith alone, whereas science is based on facts. Just because a scientist is religious, it doesn't mean that religion is equal to science. Science contradicts religion, it doesn't compliment it.

^ No, it's not. Evolution doesn't work that way. Being part of a group or not doesn't need to have to do with it. If an organism in a group evolves a novel trait that gives it a significant higher fitness than the others, the trait is thought to spread through the population and if no equilibrium is formed with former traits or something (think of a trait-off), the next generations will be like the not-mutant-anymore organism. This trait might even be not-believing-in-God or whatever, you see? I rather see being a atheist or agnost as a trait instead of it meaning that you are against a group. I'm sure that waaaay back in time there were plenty people not believing in God but just not mentioning it (so it had no effect in the group in that respect) like now there's plenty gay people that sadly don't mention it (like in the fucking USA army), because it's not accepted by others.

 

Ah fuck, I can't explain it the way I want to ... this sucks and I'm too lazy to spend more time on it :( I'll leave it like this.

 

btw, just throwing it in here: Why is it always that people are arguing about the whole religion vs. science thing? I know plenty of very religious people who are scientists. It all goes well together, who would have thought? ;)

 

Ok I think I see what you're getting at, the thing is the human brain is predisposed to faith and belief because it had a survival benefit and it has spread like you have said. The lack of belief in the past would have probably meant death so I dont quite understand your objection?

 

Religion and Science are fundamentally opposed. One is based on reason and evidence, the other on faith, or belief without evidence. The two realms are incompatible. Religious scientists compartmentalise reality and fantasy, if you asked them what is the scientific evidence of God they would be forced to concede there is none and that they base it on faith which totally against science.

My objection is not against having had belief as a survival benefit. So no, I guess you don't see where I was going to.

 

And still ... saying that religion and science are opposed is like saying that radish is opposed to grapefruit. I still don't get the science vs. belief thingy. What I am saying is that there doesn't necessary has to be a versus. Science doesn't have to contradict religion, they are just two totally different things. Just like science doesn't have to contradict love or victory or a good meal.

 

buuuuut with this I have to say that because of my viewing on this, I do agree on the nonsense of wanting to give a 'theory' such as creationism the same importance/status as a theory like 'evolution' (wait, I'm in the wrong thread, right?), because a theory should be able to be validated/verificated - if there's proof that it's wrong or another theory fits better, than it can go in the dustbin. For as far as I know creationism doesn't leave space for that kind of validation.

 

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My objection is not against having had belief as a survival benefit. So no, I guess you don't see where I was going to.

 

And still ... saying that religion and science are opposed is like saying that radish is opposed to grapefruit. I still don't get the science vs. belief thingy. What I am saying is that there doesn't necessary has to be a versus. Science doesn't have to contradict religion, they are just two totally different things. Just like science doesn't have to contradict love or victory or a good meal.

 

buuuuut with this I have to say that because of my viewing on this, I do agree on the nonsense of wanting to give a 'theory' such as creationism the same importance/status as a theory like 'evolution' (wait, I'm in the wrong thread, right?), because a theory should be able to be validated/verificated - if there's proof that it's wrong or another theory fits better, than it can go in the dustbin. For as far as I know creationism doesn't leave space for that kind of validation.

 

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Yes, that is my problem with religious beliefs, some people want to give religious theories the same importance as scientific theories. I don't care if someone believes that God created the world in 6 days and all that other stuff, you can believe whatever you want, my problem comes in when people say that their beliefs are just as valid as a scientific theory, science reqiures evidence, if some day in the future we find evidence that God created the world, then I will happliy believe it, but so far there is no evidence.

 

I think this discussion should be in the evolution thread :\

Hahaha, yeah, that was also what I was thinking when typing it, hahaha!

 

Al threads get infected :P

Quote:Originally Posted by

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There is no such thing as sin.

 

 

 

 

You are sooo gonna

burn

for that. (insert >image of huge fire pit here<)

:devil:

 

K then. :shrug: I don't care, by then I'll be dead and my spirit won't be able to feel physical pain anymore. DUH.

 

I don't think the person you're quoting will care either.

How does one delete a post?

 

I push the fucking edit/delete button but then there's only the option to edit it. wtf?

 

Why is it so hard to delete a post? hrftaflsha;ehfdaklejnfskrjgsrfyoumakemefeellikearetard

^You can't. As far as I know.

K then. :shrug: I don't care, by then I'll be dead and my spirit won't be able to feel physical pain anymore. DUH.

 

I don't think the person you're quoting will care either.

 

I SO SMART AND LOGIK

How does one delete a post?

 

I push the fucking edit/delete button but then there's only the option to edit it. wtf?

 

Why is it so hard to delete a post? hrftaflsha;ehfdaklejnfskrjgsrfyoumakemefeellikearetard

About the only thing you can do is edit it and delete all the text. Or replace it with :blank:, or "-", or "nevermind", etc...

K then. :shrug: I don't care, by then I'll be dead and my spirit won't be able to feel physical pain anymore. DUH.

 

I don't think the person you're quoting will care either.

 

:dozey: I assume the person I quoted is quicker to recognize

sarcasm........;) (duh)

:dozey: I assume the person I quoted is quicker to recognize

sarcasm........;) (duh)

 

Gosh, that sounds almost like a compliment for my intellectual abilities. :nice: I like that!

:shrug:

I must admit that you did a very good job of answering my question. You seem to be one of the few people that have a thorough understanding of the Bible and go by its teachings, as opposed to the interpretations/teachings of "false" churches/teachings as you mention. I think the numerous interpretations and teachings are what get people so riled up about what is right and wrong, why there are so many differences, etc.

 

But even with keeping with the simplicity of just going by the Bible and not anybody else's interpretation, I still have issue with the concept of "you're going to hell". There are people who, through no fault of their own, live without even knowing about it (I'll take an extreme example and say some tribe that lives in the jungle and has virtually no access to the "outside" world). It's not their fault that they haven't read the Bible and know nothing about Christianity. So they're doomed to go to hell anyway? That seems kind of crappy.

 

I didn't realize that you were asking me a question. I apologize for not answering.

 

Answering from the second paragraph:

 

 

That's why Christians are commanded to go into all of the world and preach the gospel to every creature. God has provided a way of salvation to all men, but it doesn't do us any good if we don't accept it.

 

Even if we don't know we are already condemned because we are already sinners (criminals) in God's eyes:

 

Joh 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

 

God isn't willing that anyone should go to hell:

 

2Pe 3:9 ¶ The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

If people are already condemned and sinners in God's eyes then he's a cruel God. Why should you pay worship to a cruel deity?

god rox woo

I didn't realize that you were asking me a question. I apologize for not answering.

 

Answering from the second paragraph:

 

 

That's why Christians are commanded to go into all of the world and preach the gospel to every creature. God has provided a way of salvation to all men, but it doesn't do us any good if we don't accept it.

 

Even if we don't know we are already condemned because we are already sinners (criminals) in God's eyes:

 

Joh 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

 

God isn't willing that anyone should go to hell:

 

2Pe 3:9 ¶ The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

So then what would happen to the people in the jungle I mention in my example? Is that saying they would go to hell because there weren't any Christians that were able to travel far enough into the depths of the jungle to access those people to preach the gospel? Or does that last reference 2Pe 3:9 ¶ provide that the tribe people won't go to hell? I guess I'm a little unsure how to interpret that last part.

^^

 

 

WOO

BOOO GOD STINKS :thumbsdown:

 

(I believe firmly in Quantum Physics)

well many no sense by here

 

but she surely the secrets of humanity. but it would annoy everyone