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"Yeah and how many rap artists ripped off other artists?" They can't even be arsed to record other peoples bits over. They justdrop them in in the form of a sample...:laugh3: "Most artists want credit and not money. From all the reports, Satriani wants all the royalities and not the credit" Which is why the whole thing IMHO makes Satriani out to be a tool, which is too bad really, because from all reports he really is a nice, down to earth guy...

"I think that if Coldplay didn't plagirize then there's no reason Satriani deserves anything." I wasn't really saying he did, only that seing for partial rights to the song is a whole different ball game than seeking punative damages, which is, any way you slice it, a cash grab. "George described the legal proceedings as terrible... as 'expert' after 'expert' stood up to tear apart every second of his song, he began to doubt himself and his own heart/talent. Can Chris Martin withstand this type of torture? Eek." In a lot of ways George had a similar temperment and personality to Chris (though George was more quiet and introspective), so a trial would probably be tough for him. Cue a fresh round of retirement rumors...:thinking:

"Still psyched Guns n' Roses were beat by Kanye though" I'm going to have to vote neither if those are my choices...:dozey:

Not to mention all the plagiarism scandals Noel Gallagher has had over the years (of course with Noel he;ll freely and gleefully admit which parts he stole and from where):laugh3:

"Post after post you just get nothing but the most extreme, highly disagreeable opinions, unlike anything else I've seen short of a neo-nazi convention." Sadly, that's neither joking nor hyperbole...:\

"I have, from reading this thread, noticed Coldplay have been the attention of a lot of plagiarism accusations, this strikes me as rather odd for a band of it's popularity. Sure, you could argue that away by saying all the other artists are just after money but it doesn't seem to happen to many other large bands. Perhaps it's the generic nature of rock?" Personally, I think it's a natural outgrowth of the hatred that exists is some quarters and the desire to see them as one poster on the AOL thread put it "roasted alive". It's always seemed odd (and truthfully a little sad) that with this band, dislike of the music seems to carry over into an intense hatred of the band as people. I even have to be somewhat careful about who I admit I like them or am influenced by them to, as many times other musicians have given me the "stink eye" (or worse) over my simple admission of being a fan. Again nt merely a "their music sucks" kind of attitude but a deeper hatred usually seen in much more serious fields than music. Personally, If I were one of the Coldplay guys,I don't think even all the money and success they've attained would enable me to put up with some of the things hurled their way over the years Sure they're not the most daring, experimental, or innovative band in the world, but they make catchy pop tunes that I truly believe are the function of four guys who love playing music, and seem like a bunch of nice guys who genuinely deserve success. (I might add that I've heard similar things from many people about Satriani's personality over the years.) As an aside, I think this anti-Coldplay sentiment is a large reason so many here are so eager to defend the band so strongly and bash anyone they see as a threat. Most of the people here love and are moved by this band (as can be expected of any website of this nature), so it gets to us after a while reading some of the attacks on the band elsewhere. It's only natural that some of us would do whatever we could to keep this board one of the few places where the majority opinion of the band is not as a bunch of poncy sheep molesters... Lastly, let me say that though I don't believe Coldplay intentionally plagaiarized, the similarity in the chord progression of the two songs makes me concede that Joe perhaps does deserve a wedge of the royalties, the article Iread made it seem like he was seeking massive punative damages, which if true, does make the whole thing a bit of a cash grab and Satriani a bit of a tool.

"Jesus, would you just go sleep with this jerk and get out of here already?" Even if you don't agree with him, Satchfan has made some valid points, and has done so in a (mostly) respectful manner. He has as much right to voice his opinion as anyone else here. (though I'm a a bit of a loss as to why he wants to considering he's not going to win many converts around here...) "I'm just here to be the little angel voice to all the little devil voices of people who blindly accept Coldplay could do no wrong :)" For my part, I never said they could do no wrong, only that I don't believe they did wrong in this specific situation.

"Coldplay didn't purposely steal Joe's song... Joe's just being possessive and maybe alittle bit paranoid. As others have said here, it will probably be settled out of court. This isn't going to break Coldplay" What gets me is the fact that this whole thing is just fodder for the meatheads that hate Coldplay to bitch and moan even more. Just look at the purely hateful tone of some of the posts on that AOL post. Even if a band did plagiarize, nothing really justifies the kind of venom directed at them personally in some posts. It's just really negative vibes..:( "I think you'd be hard pressed finding a guitarist from any genre who *hasn't* heard Joe Satriani." Heard yes. Heard extensively, perhaps not. I'm a guitarist and have been one for over a decade now and while I've certainly heard Satriani's music, I can't say I've heard more than a few pieces of it. That style of music just really turns me off and I'm unable to get into it at all. If something's not really your scene, you probably wn't listen to it extensively, professional musician or not.

"the article showed up as a link on AOL now... " :dozey::dozey::dozey:

That's what makes the whole thing a bit suspect to me. It seems to me that Satriani's timing in actually filing the suit is near perfect timing to ensure maximum publicity. Could be coincidence, but it's a bit fishy that the timing worked out so perfect...:dozey:

"Pandora's Box just looks like a Ground Control Pro with a different front chassis. Musicians would do this mainly because the Ground Control's buttons are very unreliable and short circuit quite randomly. " Jon's floor mounted switcher is not a ground control pro. It doesn't have the same number of bypass switches nor does it have an LCD screen. He does have a GCP in hisrig but it is used by his tech to control his sounds when he's away from his board...

"By what I've read the key for Satriani's song is G no? The melody for VLV is note Bb, Eb, C, F (a flat key). Joe's melody is higher, and is clearly a different note combination, even if you transpose the key. dude. Sounds about right. Even if not, anyone with ears can clearly hear that the version of the Satriani song in the mashup is markedly different from the version on it's official release...:thinking: I still say the basic chord progression is the only point of similarity I see (though admitidlly, I do see a great deal of similarity in that part.)

Of topic, but that pic makes Guy resemble Joseph Fiennes...

"It's been like the 100th time that unsuccesful artists have tried to steal profits from the band for their own personal use." Not that it really matters, but Satch is fairly successful, if not that well known to the mainstream public...

"I hope they counter sue and force him to pay legal costs to (a) let all the other Chris Martin stole my ideas want-a-bes to think twice before filing frivilous lawsuits and (b) keep us, the fans, from footing those high priced lawyer bills. You think those costs don't get passed on to us, beacuse they do." Unortunately, I think Coldplay will likely be to nice to take anything other than pure defensive action... "However, does anyone remember the Jagger vs. Ashcroft case when the Rolling Stones sued (and won) Richard Ashcroft of the Verve for their string melody in Bitter Sweet Symphony?" 2 main diffrences in this case: 1. That was a case of one of the biggest (probably the biggest) band in the world sueing a band that was just beggining toget commercial success. Coldplay now is much bigger than the Verve were then, and thus have more resources to win their case. Conversely, as successful as Satch is, I highly doubt he has as much money as Coldplay to invest in legal work. It there is a lesson to be learned from that case it's that a huge commercial band is at an advantage over a smaller artist (and in this case Coldplay is the bigger band) 2. The verve admitted to building the song around the sample. The issue there was over the agreed royalty split. Keep in mind that just because Ashcroft says it was to be a 50/50 split does not mean that was legally the deal he signed (even if he was under the impression that it was). As such, the cases are completely different...

"but i'm sure coldplay has a team of lawyers who are going to make sure he doesn't get shit" Not to mention that EMI very likely has a team of lawyers looking to make sure it's star attraction doesn't suffer damage. Even though labels rarely get involved in this type of thing, I'm willing to bet this is one case where the label feels it has enough on the line to throw in and protect it's larger interests...

"Different chords, different key, different notes, different speed, different melody, different rythm. Whatever similarity there is is purely coincidental" Agreed. IMHO there is enough there to gives grounds to file a lawsuit (certainly more than Creaky Boards had), but the evidence of intent is what's always hard to prove in these cases. " But if you feel blind rabid fandom overtaking you and you feel compelled to disparage Satriani, at least get your facts straight and don't look like an ignorant moron. Saying nobody knows who he is just shows some of us that you really don't have much knowledge about music in general. Or perhaps you've never picked up Rolling Stone or read any articles about the great musicians of our age." I don't mean to disrespect Satch, but I think some of his supporters on this thread overestimate his reknown and regard. The genre of instrumental prog rock he plays has a limited audience. That in in of itself is not a bad thing at all, but keep in mind that the appeal of thart type of music is mainly built around technical expertise and or guitar tricks. The bulk ofthe audience for this is mainly composed of people who know/play guitar and like to wank out on this technical stuff (and I don't mean that in a negative way). For laypeople (in the sense meaning people who aren't as guitar informed or whatever), are less likely to be impressed by tat type of playing, and thus think little of it. So...when people here say they are unimpressed with Satch they are likely not lying, they're just evaluating his music on different terms than his fans (as I would imagine many of Satch's fans' do with Coldplay's music.) As for myself, I respect his technical skill a great deal, but find that style of playing to be little more than a formal exersise. Regardless, the fact remains that Satch is virtually unkown outside of certain circles (and he likely wants it this way as he goes out o his way to avoid the hype and spotlight that make other musicians household names.) For good or bad, to the vast majority of people he is indeed a "nobody" (meaning they have never heard of him, not that he is in any way bad...)

Some thoughts on various issues raised here: -First off, let me say I respect Satch as a technically skilled player, but am in no way a fan of his music (or other music in that genre.) IMHO, the ability to play fast, or do that damn finger tapping thing, misses the whole point of what guitar (and more broadly all music) should be about, namely expressing emotion though said music. For the record, I think JB is a good, but not great, guitar player (and I think he'd likely tell you the same thing.) he's a competent player whose style suits his bands music well. He is also an excellent slide player. (I defy anyone even those who are not fans to deny this). -While Satch is about as well known as ayone within the "instrumental/progressive" genre, said genre is not exceedingly popular an as such he is not particularly well known. The fact is if you surveyed 1000 random people, I doubt most of them would have heard of either Satch or JB. Certainly neither of them rises to the true level of household name. In that catagory, you're talking about guys like Keith Richards, Jimmy Page, Joe Perry, Jii Hendrix, The Edge, Angus Young et. al. That said, I do agree that it is ludicrous to equate Satch's relative lack of reknown with a coresponding lack of playing ability. -The only part of the song that sounds similar to me is the chord progression. However, the chord progression in question could well have been arrived at by both artists independantly. If Satch is claiming more similarity than that, IMHO, he's got no case. Just my two cents:cool:...

Some thoughts on various issues raised here: -First off, let me say I respect Satch as a technically skilled player, but am in no way a fan of his music (or other music in that genre.) IMHO, the ability to play fast, or do that damn finger tapping thing, misses the whole point of what guitar (and more broadly all music) should be about, namely expressing emotion though said music. For the record, I think JB is a good, but not great, guitar player (and I think he'd likely tell you the same thing.) he's a competent player whose style suits his bands music well. He is also an excellent slide player. (I defy anyone even those who are not fans to deny this). -While Satch is about as well known as ayone within the "instrumental/progressive" genre, said genre is not exceedingly popular an as such he is not particularly well known. The fact is if you surveyed 1000 random people, I doubt most of them would have heard of either Satch or JB. Certainly neither of them rises to the true level of household name. In that catagory, you're talking about guys like Keith Richards, Jimmy Page, Joe Perry, Jii Hendrix, The Edge, Angus Young et. al. That said, I do agree that it is ludicrous to equate Satch's relative lack of reknown with a coresponding lack of playing ability. -The only part of the song that sounds similar to me is the chord progression. However, the chord progression in question could well have been arrived at by both artists independantly. If Satch is claiming more similarity than that, IMHO, he's got no case. Just my two cents:cool:...

They're the 2nd highest grossing touring act for the year as of now (Kenny Chesney is #1:inquisitive:). However, Coldplay still draws less money than bands like U2 and the Stones whose tour grosses run into the hundreds of millions of dollars...

I'm certain he has something in his rack (and I'm betting it's the Eventide proccessor) that produces the doppler effect that is dominant throughout this song. There are pedals (most notably the Hughes and Kettner Rotosphere) that produce this effect quite well, but Jonny doesn't have any of them in his live setup.

Most major label acts get some degree of tour support. It used to be intended to allow new/smaller popularity bands to tour and still be able to meet expenses, however, nowadays, this is especially true of huge acts like Coldplay who the labels are increasingly desperate to keep. So it's highly likely EMI is footing at least part of the production bill with the band.

Saw this, figured it might be interesting to some: The ForumLos Angeles30,085 / 30,437 (99%)$2,487,994 [12]HP Pavilion at San JoseSan Jose14,919 / 14,919 (100%)$1,234,024 [13]MGM Grand Garden ArenaLas Vegas14,058 / 14,058 (100%)$1,262,926[13]United CenterChicago29,815 / 31,956 (96%)$2,425,592[13]Wachovia CenterPhiladelphia16,068 / 16,068 (100%)$1,299,252[14]Bell CentreMontreal17,259 / 17,259 (100%)$1,420,062[13]Air Canada CentreToronto33,908 / 33,908 (100%)$2,995,977[15]Verizon CenterWashington, D.C.14,452 / 14,452 (100%)$1,188,903[16]TD Banknorth GardenBoston14,559 / 14,559 (100%)$1,256,599[16]SportpaleisAntwerp16,774 / 16,774 (100%)$1,039,537[17]Scotiabank PlaceOttawa12,121 / 15,082 (80%)$839,710[18]Izod CenterEast Rutherford32,460 / 32,460 (100%)$2,662,895[16]The Palace of Auborn HillsDetroit13,330 / 13,330 (100%)$1,015,289[14]Philips ArenaAtlanta25,880 / 27,682 (93%)$2,250,991[14]Amway ArenaOrlando12,357 / 12,357 (100%)$1,030,108[14]BankAtlantic CenterFt. Lauderdale15,096 / 15,096 (100%)$1,258,098[14]TOTAL313,141 / 319,497 (98%)$25,627,927

"I'd be interested to know what the US law says about the usage of publically available information." All public records here can be accessed and used by anyone in any way they deem fit. You have to make a special petition if you wnat records such as your home address or car tag to be sealed from the public (many celebrities have tried this tactic.), however weather or not such requests are granted depends largely on which state you live in. Even if such a request is granted, that only takes said records out of public listing, if somewone happened to find the info, they could still publish it. Sadly, there seems to be a huge amount of info on Jonny's building (and other celebrities that live there) available online. Appearantly, there are a few other celebrities in the building. (don't really feel right posting who, but there seem to be at least two "a- list" actors and a Victoria's Secret model have units in the same building.)

It's NOT ok. I was just pointing out that it's hardly unique, especially from my experience in NYC. (Though they have it on the west coast too as "maps to stars' homes" are a very popular tourist item there.) Sadly, to the best of my knowledge, there is nothing illegal about thia under U.S. law. Does the U.K. have more stringint privacy laws?