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He has acted in such a way at times.

Hey, I actually agree with you, it does mean something.....sorry, I should have made that clear.

Yes, you are right. Place this bet.... 1). That the US Govt admits WTC7 was collapsed by explosives, before the end of this year. 2). By the end of 2008, it will be acknowledged and accepted as fact that elements within the US administration were complicit in staging the events of 9/11. This was discussed by someone else online and I think you might get good odds.......stick £10 on both......and you never know.

Yeah, it means nothing when you can just install electronic fraud, I mean voting machines. And seriously......that is a real threat......fight for paper ballots in your area!!!! Actually in the UK we were given lead pencils to vote with.....so I went home and got a Ink pen, just to be sure.

Too right.....It's exactly the case that Arabs are treated and portrayed in such a way. And it is unexcusable. However, I don't think Bush "classified all Arabs and Muslims as fascists"....... He said that we are at war with “Islamic fascists”. QUOTE - When referring to the recent 'alleged' plot in London. (ohhh thats all gone quiet noe hasn't it?) He said: “It was a stark reminder this nation is at war with Islamic fascists who will use any means to destroy those of us who love freedom, to hurt our nation.” (hmmmm, sure we are George....and you would know because your administration have set them up) .........but his comments were ill-conceived.

So? He's a tyrant. I think Tony Blair is, in-part, responsable for the escalation in violence around the world and we (the citizins of the world) are being made to suffer. And it's not only us who are suffering or have suffered. It's the lives and families of thousands upon thousands of innocent people killed in the wars which I don't believe are justified.....and neither do most of the British public. I believe he deserves this unflattering depiction, yes. So if you want to have a silly little dig at me in the embarrassing way you did above, then go for it - say whatever you want. I really don't understand how you can fly off into a distant land where things I haven't eluded to or said exist....

He deserves it. Simple.

Well....hmm. Obviously everyone is aware of the strong connection between Israel and America. This Mossad connection has been talked about by many people - scholars who know far more about these areas than I do. However, I don't really think getting into that is really THAT important yet because we are still trying gather all the information about what actually did occur and the people involved within America - and that itself is a big job. I think there's lots to focus on that is far more obvious to people than delving into the complexed world of the Mossad link. I'm not saying it isn't important and I'm not necessary saying that there is a strong link either.......all I know is that Israeli and American leaders have been involved in controversial situations in the past but I personally haven't looked into this 9/11 link in any detail so I don't really know enough about this area to develop a firm stance either way. And as I said, I think there are more tangible areas & information that a wider amount of people can understand.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8119854514684528700&sourceid=docidfeed&hl=en-GB David Ray Griffin in top form, 9/14/2006

Now we hear.... No evidence bin Laden is dead - Saudi Arabia Reuters | September 24 2006 Saudi Arabia said on Sunday it had no evidence that Osama bin Laden had died, shedding further doubt on a secret document leaked in France that said Saudi secret services believed he had died last month. France and the United States said on Saturday they could not confirm the report in French regional daily L'Est Republicain which quoted France's DGSE foreign intelligence service as saying the Saudi secret services were convinced the al Qaeda leader had died of typhoid in Pakistan in late August. Time magazine separately posted an article on its Web site citing an unidentified Saudi source, who claimed bin Laden was stricken with a water-borne disease and may already be dead. The Saudi Embassy in Washington, however, issued a statement saying: "The Kingdom of Saudi Arabia has no evidence to support recent media reports that Osama bin Laden is dead. Information that has been reported otherwise is purely speculative and cannot be independently verified." French President Jacques Chirac told reporters bin Laden's death "has not been confirmed in any way whatsoever and so I have no comment to make" and that he was surprised a confidential note had been published. France has launched a probe into how the document was leaked. U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice told reporters in New York, "No comment, no knowledge," when asked about the French article. A U.S. intelligence source separately said Washington, which has made capturing bin Laden a priority in its war on terrorism, had no evidence the report was any more credible than earlier rumours of his demise. "We've heard these things before and have no reason to think this is any different," said the U.S. intelligence official, who asked not to be named. TYPHOID L'Est Republicain, published in Nancy, printed what it said was a copy of the report, dated September 21, and said it had been passed to Chirac and Prime Minister Dominique de Villepin the same day. "According to a usually reliable source, the Saudi services are now convinced that Osama bin Laden is dead," it read. "The information gathered by the Saudis indicates that the head of al Qaeda fell victim, while he was in Pakistan on August 23, 2006, to a very serious case of typhoid that led to a partial paralysis of his internal organs." Time magazine said its source claimed Saudi officials have received a number of reports in recent weeks that bin Laden had been struck by a water-borne illness and was likely dead but had no solid proof. There was scepticism about whether Riyadh was well-placed to be the first to pick up on such a development. "If anyone was in the picture, I doubt it would be Saudi intelligence," a Western diplomat in Riyadh said. "Even if Saudi Arabia had information, they'd pass it on to the United States, not France. It doesn't ring true." A senior Pakistani government official said Islamabad had received no information from any foreign government that would corroborate the story. The Saudi-born bin Laden was based in Afghanistan until its Taliban government was overthrown by U.S.-backed forces after al Qaeda's September 11 attacks on the United States. Since then, U.S. and Pakistani officials have regularly said they believe bin Laden is hiding somewhere on the rugged border between Afghanistan and Pakistan. Bin Laden is rumoured to have been suffering from kidney ailments and receiving dialysis treatment. His last videotaped message was released in late 2004 but several low-quality audio tapes have been released this year

Neither I do. Now that WOULD be stupid wouldn't it.

Of course they are....sure. That means I must also work for the government.

Of course people bury their heads in the sand rather then face the truth.....It's a very frustrating world but what I am talking about is facing the aboslutely huge problem of a global conspiracy to suppress us all into what essentially will be mindless slavery.

I don't need anyone here to explain anything to me, thank god. Agenda? Of course they have an agenda..... And it goes... 1) Uncover and inform people of the truth. That's why you think it's one sided. Jesus.....it's not about taking political sides, it's about right and wrong. People say that prisonplanet is one sided and left wing.............bollocks. They uncover the truth on 9/11 and other areas which is called "left wing"....?? They promote shutting down the southern borders which is 'consdiered' right wing.... They are against the North American Union (and so should everyone...really)..... They are pro legal gun ownership which is really conservative...(although the current "conservative" government are taking away people guns) They address global warming as a scam.... They are all for the US constitution which somehow has become a 'terrorist act' according to FBI flyers.... It's about truth, NOT government/media lies, cover-ups and scams.........And if you don't like that then it's tough, you think that.

Again, this isn't a joke. Ohh, your scraping the bottom of your intelligence barrel now. You need to grow up and take this seriously.

It's even more astonishing how our governments have been hi-jacked by multinational corporations and the world bank. They have came in and bought our governments and people choose to ignore it. One sided like prisonplanet? You guys keep saying that but if you actually knew anything worthwhile then you would see that it isn't. You says it's 'on-sided' but why do you think that? You don't even know why you think that and it's ridiculous.

Flashback 2 Latest Bin Laden Tape: Another of the NeoCons' "Greatest Hits" Experts already begin to come forward with revelations that Latest tape just another CIA fake January 20 2006 Spying? Torture? Illegal airstrikes? SHUT UP and hate Bin Laden. The NeoCon use of Osama Bin Laden as a tool of fear and control is a tried and tested method whenever the going gets tough. It's predictable and it's tiresome, but the masses buy it every time and that's why he has reappeared once again. Just as the NSA spying tidal wave gathers increasing momentum, as the media demand more answers on rendition and torture and days after the bizarre airstrike on innocent women and children in Pakistan, we all magically get a timely reminder of just why the government is spying on its own citizens and torturing and killing anyone it likes anywhere in the world. Just like Orwell's ubiquitous Emmanuel Goldstein, Bin Laden always seems to pop up right on cue so we can disengage our minds from reality and join in the two minutes hate. We are reliably informed by the mainstream media that this is because he is a very clever man and has an impeccable sense of timing. Yet if this is the case, why can he not work out that EVERYTIME he has released a video or a tape it has HELPED Bush and the NeoCon agenda tenfold? Even the BBC lays this out in the open with the headline Bin Laden threats may boost Bush: The commander-in-chief has been under intense pressure in recent weeks, accused of trampling on civil liberties in pursuit of terror suspects. His defence has been that America is a nation at war. So Bin Laden's latest threats to launch new attacks on the US will only serve to underline this argument. The White House will also cite the tape when trying to convince allies abroad that the use of tough tactics is justified - even when civilians are killed, as in last week's air raid in Pakistan. That just says it all really. Bin Laden was created by US intelligence , worked with US intelligence in the late 70s and 80s, was used as a patsy by US intelligence before and after 911 and is now being used as a manipulative tool of fear by the criminal elite faction currently in power in the US. The last time Bin Laden appeared was October 2004, exactly three days before the election. The same headline "Boost for Bush" appeared and some, including Walter Conkite went as far as to suggest that the whole thing was manufactured by Karl rove in order to secure the election for Bush. The Tehran Times suggested that Bin Laden was "dancing to Bush’s tune" and a "premeditated plan devised by Bush administration neoconservatives is unfolding". The report also noted that the CIA immediately confirmed the tape to be the voice of Bin Laden, something they had never previously done. They have also done this this time around too. Bin Laden personally criticized Bush's reaction on the day of 911, a move that undoubtedly instilled a rejuvenated support for the President amongst the American sheeple. If Bin Laden is so clever and so calculated and determined to justify himself to the American people, why can he not fathom that a personal attack could only ever help Bush? I thought it was common knowledge that you always steer clear of personal attacks in debates and arguments. Bush immediately took a six point lead and subsequently won the election. Of course, we shouldn't find it surprising that Bin Laden consistently helps Bush, after all it was the Bush Administration that allowed all members of the Bin Laden family to fly out of America immediately after 911 whilst all other air traffic was grounded. It was Bush himself who signed document W199I, ordering the FBI to back off investigating the Bin Ladens before 911. It was George W Bush who went into business with Bin laden's brother in the 1970s. It is George W Bush's father who is STILL DOING business with the Bin Ladens via the Carlyle Group, an international consulting firm. FBI Special agent Robert Wright broke down when testifying that he had been gagged and could not reveal the true extent of what he knew about the Bush-Bin Laden connection and 911. his lawyer stepped up and said live on C-Span that "The Bush Family vacations with the Bin Ladens". The ties run deep and all lead to money, huge amounts of money. This is how the Bushes do business, this is how they have always done business, they own the best enemies money can buy. Previous to the 2004 election, Bin Laden surfaced on a video on the eve of the two year anniversary of 911. Once again impeccable timing to deliver a video, given that he was reported to be hiding in the mountains of Pakistan. However, the video was quickly recognized by experts as simply a re-hash of old material cobbled together quickly and so amateurish that it could not have fooled anyone. Previous to the beginning of the Iraq war, Bin Laden appeared in February 2003 on an audio tape that was touted as proof positive of Al Qaeda links with Saddam Hussein. In another amazing timing coincidence, the tape came barely a week after Colin powell's attempts to link Al Qaeda and Saddam in his botched presentation of lies and exaggerations before the UN Security Council. In an even more bizarre twist, just hours before the tape was found and aired by AlJazeera, Colin Powell announced in the US Senate that a “Bin Laden tape is coming proving Iraq’s links with Al-Qaeda.” How does Colin Powell know what AlJazeera are going to broadcast before they do? The tape voiced support for Iraq, but did not prove any link between al-Qaeda and the Iraqi leadership. It was described as dubious at best and at worst as an outright fake. Previous to this tape a poor quality release in November 2002, deemed to be completely authentic by US Experts, was determined to be a total fake by the Dalle Molle Institute for Perceptual Artificial Intelligence in Switzerland. This time Bin Laden was said to be admitting to recent small scale terror attacks. Yet the voice on the tape was different to around twenty previous recordings of Bin Laden. And of course, then there is the all time classic Bin Laden video, the number one hit from december 2001. The one we like to call the "Fat nosed" Bin Laden video. This one was magically found in a house in Jalalabad after anti-Taliban forces moved in. It featured a fat Osama laughing and joking about how he'd carried out 9/11. The video was also mistranslated in order to manipulate viewer opinion and featured "Bin Laden" praising two of the hijackers, only he got their names wrong. This Osama also uses the wrong hand to write with and wears gold rings, a practice totally in opposition to the Muslim faith. Despite the fact that the man in the video looks nothing like Bin Laden, the CIA stood by the video whilst many have declared it an outright fake. And so we come back to this week's tape, Osama's "latest release". Already experts are coming forward to suggest that yet again this is a fake that has been put out at a very convenient time to divert attention away from important events. Professor Bruce Lawrence has described the tape as "like a voice from the grave". He thinks bin Laden is dead and has doubts about the tape. Lawrence recently analyzed more than 20 complete speeches and interviews of the al Qaida leader for his book. He says the new message is missing several key elements. We have previously highlighted the evidence to suggest that Bin Laden is dead. More and more experts are now coming forward with the same opinion. Every time a new tape is released it seems to become shorter and more vague as if whoever is making them is running out of material to work with . If it is conceivable that there is one group of fundamentalist individuals who wish to change the way we live because "they hate our freedom", then it is equally as conceivable that there is another group of richer, more sophisticated fundamentalists that wish to do the same thing themselves and will use the first group as a cover for what they do. They have groomed Bin Laden for their own ends and will continue to use his image (whether he is dead or not) until they no longer have a cause to, this is simply another example of his usefulness in the fake war on terror.

'Iran's supreme leader forbids nukes' AP/Jerusalem Post | September 23 2006 Iran's supreme leader has prohibited any use of nuclear weapons by his country, Iranian First Vice President Parziv Davoudi said Friday. Davoudi, one of 10 vice presidents in Iran, also warned that his government would retaliate against any military action against it. "Any aggressor should purge the idea of invading Iran from its mind because our armed forces are serious and powerful enough to counterattack," Davoudi said at a military parade in Teheran. The remarks were likely directed toward the United States, which is mired in a showdown with the Islamic state over its nuclear ambitions. Teheran claims its nuclear program is geared only to generate electricity, but the US says Iran aims to produce nuclear weapons. Supreme leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and other Iranian officials have said that under the Islamic thought, nuclear weapons are illegitimate. Davoudi said the US-led wars in Iraq and Afghanistan had stirred "insecurity and terrorism" throughout the world. He spoke at a military parade marking the 26th anniversary of the Iran-Iraq war. The procession included a display of Iranian missiles, including the Shahab-3, which is capable of carrying a nuclear warhead. An upgraded version of the ballistic missile has a range of more than 2,000 kilometers - capable of reaching Israel and US forces in the Middle East. The weapon's name means "shooting star" in Farsi.

U.S. can't confirm bin Laden death report: official Reuters | September 23 2006 Comment: Has the October surprise that Karl Rove PROMISED come early? The U.S. government is unable to confirm a French newspaper report that al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden is believed to have died last month in Pakistan, a U.S. counterterrorism official said on Saturday. "We cannot confirm the account," said the official, who declined to be identified because he was not authorized to speak publicly about the issue. "It's quite possible (that) there was some talk of this, but in terms of being able to confirm this, that I can't do." The French regional daily L'Est Republicain reported that, according to a French secret service report, Saudi Arabia was convinced that bin Laden died of typhoid in Pakistan in late August. The French government has said it could not confirm the report and would investigate the intelligence leak. The U.S. State Department had no immediate comment and was looking into the reports. Media reports suggesting that bin Laden was dead, seriously wounded or in ill health have surfaced periodically over the years, especially during lengthy periods of time without taped messages from the al Qaeda leader. U.S. officials have suggested that his death would be accompanied by a surge of e-mail and telephone chatter among bereaved al Qaeda members, if not an actual announcement from the militant network. But officials said they were not aware of any such chatter in recent weeks. A factor fueling persistent speculation about bin Laden's health is that he has not been seen on a new videotape since late 2004, while his second-in-command, Ayman al-Zawahri, has made a number of videotaped appearances. But bin Laden, 49, a Saudi-born fugitive with a $25 million price on his head, has released several audiotapes this year, which U.S. intelligence has authenticated. His latest audiotape surfaced in July. In it, he warned Iraq's Shi'ite majority of retaliation for attacks on Sunni Arabs and said al Qaeda would fight the United States anywhere in the world. He's been dead for ages. But they needed him to be 'alive' to allow the continuation of war. Now, the Republican party needs points (and fast) ahead of the November mid-terms.....and look who's dead now. How much it will help the criminals, who have control of the white house, I don't know - but it can't do any harm can it. FLASHBACK - Osama bin Laden: A dead nemesis perpetuated by the US government

Why the hell is that here for? Are you retarded? Off topic. And it's off topic on purpose, it's not like the converstion before brought us to discuss that.....Get rid of it.

That's a desperately misleading angle and is everything I am willing to fight against. It's a sick continuation of everything we are being force fed post 9/11 - where the western criminal governments are leading us into a war with 'an unbeatable enemy' that we are told is attacking our way of life becuase they Envy us and everything we have?? Don't fall for this. Really, just don't. We are allowing them to take the world over, piece by piece.

oooooh. It's a pity you react in such a way. ....disappointing

That doesn't really seem to be the case exactly this time.

Ha. Yes, He has been dead for a while I think. All the supposed "new" tapes were just old bits put together in new orders. Also voice prints confirmed it wasn't him in most of the audio tapes. Alot of the time when video tapes were "released" they in fact were not new video at all, just a series of old video images to accompany a fake audio tape.

Dentist Whistleblower Who Met 9/11 Hijackers Poisoned To Death http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QI66CVs-zmE This guy obviously paid the price for his efforts to warn the U.S. government that their agents were about to act as the fall guys for a terror attack.