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That talk about "rebuilding their supply lines" is a whole load of propaganda. I wonder who said that.....hmmm. I stick by what I said before. This has to end now, or we will see a rise in world "terror", as it's called..

My post FROM the other thread...(only posting it here because I don't want to have to write in two different threads, I'd rather right it here.) Who says that they don't want it? Hizbollah have actually said they want it to stop...they want end to this......and so they should, I know. If you notice (this isn't anti-semitic by the way) it's Olmert who has repeatedly said "we will not stop until Hizbollah has been destroyed"......which we both know is impossible. And this is because these "terrorist" groups just merge into the people of the land.....you end up with the scenario where more civilian people sort of 'join' Hizbollah out of pure rage......that their homes, family or even both have been destroyed....and they end up being called Hizbollah fighters or 'insergants'. I'm not saying that what Hizbollah does is right, it's not.....but you get to the point where the term Hizbollah means nothing anymore.....it's just people who used to have a life but have no life anymore, have nothing else to do, no way of knowing what to do and are generally very pissed off...... It's the classic creation of a so-called "terrorist infected state".....and it's not a new thing.......Iraq and Afganistan are prime examples - And soon Lebanon will evolved into this status. Continuing this aggressive action will just magnify these problems. And I believe it's all on purpose. As sooner or later a group from another neighbouring county will get involved.......justifying more action. Like the invasion of Iran in October/November for example. Even if you don't agree with that last part, it's still a very logical progression, which I think will cause absolute hell.

Who says that they don't want peace? Hizbollah have actually said they want it to stop...they want end to this......and so they should, I know. If you notice (this isn't anti-semitic by the way) it's Olmert who has repeatedly said "we will not stop until Hizbollah has been destroyed"......which we both know is impossible. And this is because these "terrorist" groups just merge into the people of the land.....you end up with the scenario where more civilian people sort of 'join' Hizbollah out of pure rage......that their homes, family or even both have been destroyed....and they end up being called Hizbollah fighters or 'insergants'. I'm not saying that what Hizbollah does is right, it's not.....but you get to the point where the term Hizbollah means nothing anymore.....it's just people who used to have a life but have no life anymore, have nothing else to do, no way of knowing what to do and are generally very pissed off...... It's the classic creation of a so-called "terrorist infected state".....and it's not a new thing.......Iraq and Afganistan are prime examples - And soon Lebanon will evolve into this status. Continuing this aggressive action will just magnify these problems. And I believe it's all on purpose. As sooner or later a group from another neighbouring county will get involved.......justifying more action. Like an invasion of Iran in October/November for example. Even if you don't agree with that last part, it's still a very logical progression, which I think will cause absolute hell.

Yes, I know......it's 100% idiot directed Propaganda. Propaganda story of the Month infact ;)

"sympathize with the growing factions of Radical Islam and excuse their actions" I somehow don't think Emre said that.

HERE http://rapidshare.de/files/28198079/The_Drunkk_Machine.mp3.html Sounds great......whack up the volume!

It has?

Yes....Anything said about this terrible political situation here in the UK is welcome and especially by people with a large audience.

What?!?! "that's where my point comes into place, the only real solution is for one side to be destroyed either israel or the terrorist." I 100% disagree and I hope for all our sakes that others do too. For that to happen, it would mean that this current rise in full military and rocket stirkes would just be adding to the horrific suffering that the people of the region have already suffered for many, many years. So to end this Isreal might have to be destroyed? Or Hizbollah? (effectively Lebanon) But that's your right to think that I guess. [again...this is just the same as the other thread]

*sigh*

I feel that this question could have been started in the other thread.... (coz this one is essentially discussing the same things)...Just look at the Poll thread about this conflict....ends up the same. It gets out of hand when posting along the same lines in multiple threads. But.... I really think a resolution for a 100% ceasefire must be the start of the process. Nothing can be achieved while both sides are fighting like this.....right? I just hope it's sooner than later, before any other country gets involved and before any more large numbers of civilian deaths.

NORAD Tapes Expose Lax Military Attitude On 9/11 Air Defense NORAD Tapes Expose Lax Military Attitude On 9/11 Air Defense "We'll get back to you on that," Navy ATC told ground ops as they pleaded for fighter support Paul Joseph Watson | August 4 2006 NORAD tapes released this week which shed light on the negligence of the U.S. military in providing adequate air defense on 9/11 contain a conversation with a Navy air traffic control operator that provides another smoking gun for the assertion of a deliberate stand down policy on the morning of the attacks. It's 09:34 on September 11, 2001. At this point in the timeline, NORAD commanders were becoming increasingly frustrated at their impotence and inability to successfully intercept any of the stray aircraft. Erroneous reports of hijacked aircraft that never were and a report that a Cessna, not American Airlines Flight 11, has hit the WTC north tower, are adding to the confusion. However, the NORAD ground ops know that something is headed towards Washington and they are chomping at the bit to turn around fighters that have been meandering in a stand-by position and send them in the direction of Baltimore. From the Vanity Fair piece, "At NEADS, a 28-year-old staff sergeant named William Huckabone, staring at his Green Eye, is the first to notice that the Langley jets are off course. His voice is a mix of stress and dread as he and the controller next to him, Master Sergeant Steve Citino, order a navy air-traffic controller who's handling the fighters to get them turned around toward Baltimore to try to cut off the phantom American 11. The navy air-traffic controller seems not to understand the urgency of the situation." The conversation with Navy ATC takes place four minutes before Flight 77 hits the Pentagon. 9:34:12 NAVY A.T.C.: You've got [the fighters] moving east in airspace. Now you want 'em to go to Baltimore? HUCKABONE: Yes, sir. We're not gonna take 'em in Whiskey 386 [military training airspace over the ocean]. NAVY A.T.C.: O.K., once he goes to Baltimore, what are we supposed to do? HUCKABONE: Have him contact us on auxiliary frequency 2-3-4 decimal 6. Instead of taking handoffs to us and us handing 'em back, just tell Center they've got to go to Baltimore. NAVY A.T.C.: All right, man. Stand by. We'll get back to you. CITINO: What do you mean, "We'll get back to you"? Just do it! HUCKABONE: I'm gonna choke that guy! CITINO: Be very professional, Huck. HUCKABONE: O.K. CITINO: All right, Huck. Let's get our act together here. The fighters never arrive, Flight 77 ploughs into the Pentagon. Click here for the audio file. From the tape, you can hear that the NORAD ground ops are furious with the attitude of the Navy air traffic controller at his listless, placid response to their plea for support. The biggest attack on America since Pearl Harbor is an hour and twenty minutes underway, two planes have already crashed into the World Trade Center, untold more are known to have been hijacked, the President has been told that America is under attack, and military air traffic control who are in charge of the country's air defense fighters do not understand the urgency of the situation? This is the 9/11 stand down in plain site. Not only do the NORAD tapes prove that no shoot-down permission was ever granted by the top brass, but they also betray a laissez faire, suspiciously over-relaxed tone from military personnel who failed to assist NORAD in implementing any kind of rapid air defense procedure at every turn. ------------------------------- RELATED: NORAD Tapes Only Intensify Implausibility Of 9/11 Official Story

A larger article discussing Thom and other stuff Radiohead Frontman: "We must throw Tony Blair out of office NOW" Releases video in protest of political climate in UK Steve Watson | August 4 2006 Thom Yorke, the lead singer with group Radiohead has demanded that Tony Blair be removed from office immediately and that the people of the UK be the ones to do it. Yorke has just released a solo album entitled 'The Eraser' much of which encapsulates the uncertainty and climate of fear that the government has enforced upon this country. In a public post on the band's website Yorke stressed in his own inimitable way: ive had enough of this our government sitting on the fence with the US while world war 3 appears to be breaking out in Lebanon and Northern Israel. we must throw Tony Blair our of office NOW. he does not represent the views of the british people. he does not represent the views of his foreign office and officials. he does not even represent the views of those in his cabinet. he cares far too much about his relationship with Bush, and Murdoch. this man is not fit to be our prime minister. its a nice sunny day. come on lets do it. you know it makes sense. a vote of no confidence. or something. anything.. Clearly Yorke has taken note of the fact that whilst WWIII is brewing Tony Blair has been living it up in San Francisco, doing business deals with elite figures and most likely visiting the Bohemian Grove. Yorke is the latest icon in the music industry to speak out. Earlier this year Neil Young released his anti-war protest album 'Living with war' which took direct swipes at Bush and the Neocons in the Whitehouse. The first single from Yorke's album is entitled 'Harrowdown Hill'. The song is about the mystery surrounding the death of former weapons inspector Dr David Kelly and the shockwave of aftermath since the invasion of Iraq in 2003. The line "Did I fall or was I pushed, and where's the blood?", entertains the evidence that suggests Dr David Kelly did not commit suicide but was murdered by elements within our own government in order to cover up the fact that evidence supporting WMDs in Iraq was falsified. It is thought that Dr David Kelly was about to go public with this evidence but then he was mysteriously found dead in the woods near Harrowdown Hill, a phrase he had himself used to describe what may happen to him should things turn out badly. The video features much police state activity and clearly highlights Yorke's discomfort with the current political climate in the UK . VIDEO : Harrowdown Hill Video Here Yorke has also submitted a track, 'Black Swan', from 'The Eraser' , to appear during the end credits of Richard linklater's 'A Scanner Darkly'. The film is an adaption of Philip K Dick's novel of the same name and depicts a near future America that has lost the war on drugs and capitulated into the tentacles of a pervasive control grid. Art forms such as 'The Eraser' and 'A Scanner Darkly' represent the latest example of a refreshing and burgeoning trend in that seeks to enlighten the listener/viewer into recognizing the real world prison barriers being erected around society today. Yorke has previously spoken out and attended marches over the the use of UK army stations by the US for advanced missile defense and by the NSA for eavesdropping. He is vehemently against the planned weaponization of space by the Neocons in office, commonly referred to as 'star wars' or 'son of star wars'.

Grow the fuck up and stop it.

You've done it again. Your sad little attempts to ossociate my thought-out comments with your "if i were to tell you i can fly and leap tall buildings, how would you respond?" in order to discredit what I said is very funny actually.....everybody can see it...... Don't do it again.

Yeah I agree, she is very "sad and dated" I feel, now......."Oldfrap"......and she always makes awful "soundbite" political comments which she knows nothing about - to try and tie herself in with the popular mood. And that docu-film she just had out?!??!??! She talks like she is the 7th wonder of the world......like her aim actually IS to sound and look pretentious....it's THAT bad. I think she has had the odd "good" song in the past mind......but not for a good few years now.

Is that all you can ever say. I actually was making a very good point. Stop turning all these threads into little one line bickering games becuase it's pathetic.

Well, I think that the targeting of innocent people (by the IDF) is actually part of a plan it provoke a large-ish terror attack, or create a feeling within people that one is to be expected......may happen in Isreal, may happen in the UK or US, it might be another false flag operation......either way I think this repeated media/military reporting of civilian deaths is an attempt get some people from the neighbouring countries to get involved with an attack - therefore it will justify this whole mess that has been "created" and another chance to illegally take over a middle-eastern nation will have arose. You never know....it could be the evil son of Osama who is blamed.....ohhh those evil Arabs!!! :rolleyes:

don't know if this has been posted......probably has http://download.wbr.com/quicktime/muse.html

Propaganda story of the Month: OSAMA'S EVIL SPAWN IN LEBANON IRAN UNLEASHES QAEDA HEIR TO AID HEZ By HASANI GITTENS New York Post August 3, 2006 -- A son of Osama bin Laden has gone from Iran to Lebanon with the mission to organize terror attacks against Israel, it was reported yesterday. Saad bin Laden, 27, one of the terror mastermind's eldest sons, was released by the Iranian Revolutionary Guard last Friday, according to the German daily Die Welt. "From the Lebanese border, he has the task of building Islamist terror cells and preparing them to fight with Hezbollah," the paper said, quoting intelligence sources. "Apparently, Tehran is counting on recruiting Lebanese refugees in Syria for the fight against Israel, using bin Laden's help," it added. The young bin Laden was supposedly under house arrest in Iran. In 2004, Iranian former foreign minister Kamal Kharrazi said the country had jailed about a dozen al Qaeda suspects and would put them on trial. Among them were bin Laden and Saif al-Adel, the terror network's security chief. Up until this latest move, intelligence officials believed that Saad, who speaks fluent English, was part of a small cadre running al Qaeda from Iran. "Our general view is Iran certainly does have a few al Qaeda-related figures," said a counter-terrorism official when asked about the Die Welt report. "The general perception is Iran keeps these people as a bargaining chip." According to that official, Shiite Muslim Iran is not sympathetic to members of the Sunni-dominated al Qaeda but "they protect them as long as they think they can make use of them." Al Qaeda's No. 2, Ayman al-Zawahiri, issued a video message last week in which, while not mentioning Hezbollah by name, he urged Muslims everywhere to "fight and become martyrs" in response to the conflict in Lebanon. Israel accuses Iran of providing Hezbollah with missiles to use against civilian and military targets. Tehran, which funded Hezbollah in the 1980s, insists it now provides only moral support to the group. Officials don't know if Saad played a role in the 9/11 attacks, but he has allegedly provided support for other al Qaeda missions - and he is thought to be very close to Khalid Sheik Mohammed, the chief planner of the atrocities against the World Trade Center and Pentagon. Saad is also believed to have a part in the April 11, 2002, bombing of a synagogue in Tunisia that left 19 dead, most of them German tourists. Experts also say he may have direct involvement with operatives in Riyad, Saudi Arabia, who carried out a suicide bombing on May 12, 2003, which killed 35, including eight Americans. He's also suspected of being involved in bombings less than a week later in Morocco that killed 45 people. Saudi security officials have said they believe Saad was in touch with the killer cell and ordered and planned the bombings from Iran. In October 2003, Osama himself named Saad as the heir to his terror kingdom. In an audiotape meant to inspire the overthrow of Israel, the elder bin Laden said, "When that day comes, our son Saad will ride in triumph at the head of our great cause." That message was directed to "The Jerusalem Force," which is said to be an elite private army dedicated to protecting Saad and other top al Qaeda thugs. Saad grew up at his father's side in Afghanistan and supposedly fought the Soviets with him as soon as he was old enough to hold an AK-47. He was reportedly smuggled into Iran from Afghanistan sometime in 2002. A CIA profile reportedly describes Saad, a founding member of al Qaeda as just a teenager, as "the mirror image of his father, physically and mentally." It says "his readiness to kill was a prerequisite for him to be groomed for leadership." The terror leader-in-training was born in Saudi Arabia in 1979 and is one of 11 children of bin Laden and his first wife, Najwa Ghanem, a Syrian. Osama has at least 23 children from his harem of wives. Saad and his mother first went to Afghanistan in the '80s to be with Osama, then returned to Saudi Arabia in 1989. They were forced to move to Sudan when the Saudi government objected to bin Laden's extremist version of Islam. Saad learned English and received most of his formal education in Sudan, then moved with his father back to Afghanistan in 1996, when he was 17. They fought British and U.S. troops side by side when the war on terror began, then fled into Pakistan. Osama reportedly sent Saad to Iran because it became too difficult for him to direct operations from the mountains of Afghanistan.

News Organizations: Disputed Lebanon Photos Weren't Staged Published: August 02, 2006 1:35 PM ET A.P | August 2 2006 NEW YORK Three news agencies on Tuesday rejected challenges to the veracity of photographs of bodies taken in the aftermath of an Israeli airstrike in Lebanon, strongly denying that the images were staged. Photographers from The Associated Press, Reuters and Agence France-Presse all covered rescue operations Sunday in Qana, where at least 28 Lebanese were killed. Many of their photos depicted rescue workers carrying dead children. A British Web site, the EU Referendum blog, built an argument that chicanery may have been involved by citing time stamps that went with captions of the photographs. For example, the Web site draws attention to a photo by AP's Lefteris Pitarakis time stamped 7:21 a.m., showing a dead girl in an ambulance. Another picture, stamped 10:25 a.m. and taken by AP's Mohammed Zaatari, shows the same girl being loaded onto the ambulance. In a third, by AP photographer Nasser Nasser and stamped 10:44 a.m., a rescue worker carries the girl with no ambulance nearby. The site suggests these events were staged for effect, a criticism echoed by talk show host Rush Limbaugh when he directed listeners to the blog on Monday. "These photographers are obviously willing to participate in propaganda," Limbaugh said. "They know exactly what's being done, all these photos, bringing the bodies out of the rubble, posing them for the cameras, it's all staged. Every bit of it is staged and the still photographers know it." The AP said information from its photo editors showed the events were not staged, and that the time stamps could be misleading for several reasons, including that web sites can use such stamps to show when pictures are posted, not taken. An AFP executive said he was stunned to be questioned about it. Reuters, in a statement, said it categorically rejects any such suggestion. "It's hard to imagine how someone sitting in an air-conditioned office or broadcast studio many thousands of miles from the scene can decide what occurred on the ground with any degree of accuracy," said Kathleen Carroll, AP's senior vice president and executive editor. Carroll said in addition to personally speaking with photo editors, "I also know from 30 years of experience in this business that you can't get competitive journalists to participate in the kind of (staging) experience that is being described." Photographers are experienced in recognizing when someone is trying to stage something for their benefit, she said. "Do you really think these people would risk their lives under Israeli shelling to set up a digging ceremony for dead Lebanese kids?" asked Patrick Baz, Mideast photo director for AFP. "I'm totally stunned by first the question, and I can't imagine that somebody would think something like that would have happened." The AP had three different photographers there who weren't always aware of what the others were doing, and filed their images to editors separately, said Santiago Lyon, director of photography. There are also several reasons not to draw conclusions from time stamps, Lyon said. Following a news event like this, the AP does not distribute pictures sequentially; photos are moved based on news value and how quickly they are available for an editor to transmit. The AP indicates to its members when they are sent on the wire, and member Web sites sometimes use a different time stamp to show when they are posted.

Ignore it.

Oh god... And us Brits were complaining when it was between 90-96 for just over a week......(which is still pretty hot) Good luck with the Muse gig....

Hmmm.....yes right all right. I think I'm gonna stick to posting and hope people read properly, follow the links to support the claims and make their own minds up......

Yeah, I actually agree. I'm bored of it (the aimless parts of it).....there's alot more I can do elesewhere, this just goes around in circles.