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Nipped in the bud?? The US (through using Isreal) is prevoking this war. They wan't it.......and have called for it the past.

You haven't read what I posted......AND I'm not supporting Iran. Jesus Christ!!! We (UK) and you (U.S) are forcing this one.....so that Iran becomes the enemy.....just like they wanted all along.....it's not about supporting Iran. Calling it 'anti semitism' all the time is showing a real lack of understanding. It's too easy for you to dismiss it as 'anti semitism'.....what's up with that......I think you just like shouting that out.....that's not the way is works.

No, no...I'm not siding with Iran.....did I say that? no, I didn't. Iran aren't controlled by a perfect regime by a long way and I don't agree with most of the things they do. Isreal have gone too far with this one and they will get away with it.

Blame Iran: Israel Attacks on Lebanon A Psy-Op to Push War on Iran Listen to Alex's Jones great analysis Former CIA Analyst Ray McGovern and others within the CIA told us in the next three or four months (and that was about a month ago) that that Israel would create provations to attack Iran and Syria and it would probably start somewere in Palestine. Anything the Globalists do always has a cost-benefit analysis. They look at a whole spectrum of New World Order interests and then they consider if something is better for their interests in the short term and in the long term or is it worse for their interests. If something fits a whole string of New World Order interests then they will push it. One of the major pursposes of all of these attacks and saber rattling is to distract the populations of Israel and the US. This is a domestic diversion in Israel for Ulmert who is in a lot of trouble and also for Bush who is in a lot of trouble in the US. This really is the build-up to the October surprise. This will probably be some kind of limited strike on Iran and then Israel is going to spearhead a plan break up Iraq in to three or four parts using the US military. This of course comes from Israel's own documents going back to the early 80's and the Pentagon's own documents, this is not our opinion, this is their own admission, that they want to break up Syria into three parts, that they want to break up Iran into as many as six to eight parts, that they want to break Afghanistan into four parts, and that they even want to break Egypt into two parts. So this is the official plan and they do this by escalating, by undertaking these provocations. Every few months Israeli soldiers get killed or get captured sometimes every day in the midst of the back and forth violence they have going with the Palestinians. Right now they're just hyping this and turning this into a big deal. When the Israelis drop a thousand pound bomb on a neighborhood and kill 65 people at a pop, its loving and sweet and good because those are "sub-human Arabs" (or so the Media portrays) but when a suicide bomber blows themselves up (the few times its real and not a Mossad or Shin Bet operation, and by the way thats Israeli newspapers admitting their governments are creating fake Al Qaeda groups, Hamas groups, others), then we hear stories about the evil terrorists, the greatest evil in the world and I just refuse to be a part of this hypocritical propaganda any longer. This is a clear provocation. Two weeks ago we heard when the first Israeli soldier got grabbed that Syria was running it all. Syria has been licking our boots, rolling over, arresting whoever Israel and the US say for some time now - its really pretty pathetic - so now they are trying to claim that they are behind these so-called kidnappings and its a transparent and total fraud. Expanding out from there, now the Israeli military says that Iran has the two newest captured Israeli soldiers or that Hezbollah is trying to transfer them over there. Now this is the same Israeli government that through the ADL out of Canada put out the propaganda a few months a go that all Jews in Iran would soon be forced to wear yellow insignias on their coats, and that Christians would have to wear blue ones and Zoroastrians green ones.As it turns out this story has no connection to reality, its a total lie. Reuters and AP had to retract it. It was completely fabricated. It was an Iranian national law encouraging the government to give subsidies to textile companies that manufacture traditional Islamic dress. There was nothing in it about Jews, nothing in it about Christians it only said that companies over there would get a subsidy encouraging Islamic dress and not Levis. And BOOM thats translated into Stars of David to be worn by Jews. It is a total fraud just like the PR company who in 1990 hired the daughter of the company owner, who had never been to Kuwait, and had her make claims that she saw babies being thrown out of incubators, which of course turned out it was a total lie. We are being lied to over and over again. Expanding on this, its about Israel being able to dominate that region with US control and help, its about turning off the spigots of oil. Historian Webster Tarpley agrees with that analysis, so does Investigative Journalist Greg Palast. We have the oil company documents that detail their plan to turn off the oil. Its about getting permanent bases there, its about taking over the whole region in the next "ten year plan" as they call it and then domestically its about a political distraction and a political football because in a war we have to get behind "our leaders." Israel is already saying they have to go all the way into southern Syria, then there can be some convenient attacks here in the US, and the government can claim that it was carried out by Hezbollah or Hamas, all of this stuff CIA controlled and a bit furthur down the rabbit hole and we will find ourselves invading Iran. As a side note, let me make this comment, on the off chance than Mahmoud Ahmadinejad does produce two Israeli soldiers we then that he is a government agent. As we've been covering there is absolutely no way to transport soldiers from Syria over to Iran without being noticed. The whole area is filled with soldiers and fighter planes and there is a control grid blanket across the area. Why do we say there is a chance, a good chance, a fifty-fifty chance that the whole Iran regime is a staged event. Our government in 1953 overthrew Mossadeq by using staged terror attacks. We put the Shah in, then in 1979 he gets overthrown. The CIA admittedly was involved with the overhrow, operating out of Paris. The CIA then flies in the Ayatollah Khomeini, who they had been protecting for decades, from Paris to Iran and suddenly he grabs a bunch of hostages. The crisi is all blamed on Jimmy Carter and Reagan, under the control of Bush Sr., former CIA director, signs a back-room deal for hundreds of millions in missile launchers, weapons guidence systems, and cash for the Iranians to hold the hostages until the day of Reagan's inauguration. As soon as Reagan take office, the hostages are released. Reagan comes out looking like a tough guy. It was all staged. We know Bill Clinton in 1998 sent 45 million dollars into Iran who then funded Al Qaeda. This is all in a public Senate report by the Republicans: the plan was to attack the Serbs, blow up school buses, attack schools, using Al CIAda who is always starting fires and doing the globalist bidding. The serbs fight back and Al Qaeda is forced to pull out. And so now we see Mahmoud Ahmadinejad doing everything he is supposed to. Upon first review of the claims that Iran was going to receive the captured Israeli soldiers, it seemed completely far-fetched, but further consideration of the players involved in this conflict revealed exactly why Iran would take such a deadly step. We know that Israel controls Hammas. We know that Israel manipulates Hezbollah, so guaranteed there are many nexus points here, this only benfits israel and the globalist interests in the US. Ahmadinejad has been widely acclaimed as being involved in holding the captives back in the Jimmy Carter error under the Ayatollah Khomeini. We know that was a CIA operation. There is no debating that our government staged that with them and made a deal to hold it off until Reagan was in the Whitehouse. That is how sophisticated these people are. Three years ago, many of Infowars' military sources indicated that any attacks of Iran would be limited and that the focus of any spread of the Iraq conflict would be on Syria. Now however those same sources are revealing that the conflict could encompass both Iran and Syria. At this point everything is up in the air. Ahmadinejad could be another Globalist setup like Saddam Hussein. Saddam was their boy from the time they hired him in 1954 and trained him as an assassin before moving him in 1969 to the head of Bathist security forces. The CIA made a deal to make him the head of security intelligence in trade for putting an end to their secret campaign to kill Iranian leaders. In 1979 the CIA staged a coup and put Saddam in power only to later set him up, telling him to go ahead and invade Kuwait so that they could pull the rug out from under him. Again we know there are dealings between our government, Israel and Iran. We know that they've been in bed together before on attacking the Serbs and many other things but right now we don't know what they are going to pull. We just all have to be aware of these different ingredients.

Isreal (their criminal Government, not their people), along with the US support, have seized upon a chance here to force a backlash from Iran.....they have blown it WAY, WAY, WAY out of proportion. And It's so obvious.

Media Helps Spin Every Attack into Anti-Iran Propaganda Story of "Drone Attack" Plays Out Like a Game of "Telephone" Ending in "Iran Did It" Initially the line was that an Israeli warship had been attacked by Hezbollah using unmanned drone aircraft laden with explosives. Presumably the follow-up would have been expected to be "hey, wait a minute, where did these guerrillas get such high-tech weapons?" which of course would be followed up on FOXNews and other government propaganda outlets with a resounding chorus of, "Iran, of course!" That story never seemed to materialize, try as they might to use the situation to stir up anti-Hezbollah and anti-Iranian sentiment. At one point over the course of the weekend FOXNews did allege that the warship was in fact not a missle-carrying battle ship but a "civilian ship" that had been attacked. Drones being as common as they are these days (what with them flying all over California along the US-Mexico border for our "safety") people bought the drone story without considering any planned Iran subtext. So the US-Israeli spin machine called on the media to step it up a notch, tranforming the drone into a super high-tech radar-guided missile, a C-802, which obviously was not only made in Iran but could only be launched with the careful assistance of an Elite band within the Iranian military. "We can confirm that (the warship) was hit by an Iranian-made missile launched by Hezbollah. We see this as very profound fingerprint of Iranian involvement in Hezbollah," said Israeli Brigadier General Ido Nehushtan. Do you hate Iran yet? Do you believe they are behind this yet? No? Well hold on tight and keep your eyes glued to your TV screens because war-fever has taken hold of the media and Washington and its not going to break until Iran is put in the hotseat. corporate media propaganda Israel Says Warship Attacked by Drone Damaged Israeli warship hit by missile made in Iran Militants' missile hits ship with Iranian troops' help

Well, I'm not a Cambridge Audio fan really. It's pretty decent for the price though, I guess.

Now that's a good trade

A 'richer sounds' shopper huh? :) You know how much money (mark-up) they make on Cambridge stuff? it's alot.....it's priced at just over double what it costs them to make it. Anyway....that was a pointless fact..... Carry on.......

What? Hmmm, it's quite concerning that your comments don't relate to the contents of the article - as this article is about the British Navy aiding British nationals in their attempts to escape the war zone - and it's not about "helping Israel out". Reading Headlines isn't an effective way of gathering the whole story.

Royal Navy ships head for Lebanon Defence Secretary Des Browne has given orders for HMS Illustrious and HMS Bulwark to "make ready" for operations off Lebanon. The pair will depart as soon as necessary, possibly within 24 hours. No order for evacuating UK citizens has yet been given, but ministers and defence staff are considering a plan to evacuate those trapped in Lebanon. It comes as Israel has stepped up its strikes in Lebanon after Hezbollah militants seized two Israeli soldiers. 'Contingency planning' HMS Illustrious is currently in Gibraltar and HMS Bulwark is close to Barcelona in Spain. The decision whether to proceed with an evacuation plan has not yet been taken and no orders have been given. The Foreign Office has urged British citizens to keep a low profile and warned against travelling there. "We are also advising British nationals to get ready for departure at short notice if the situation changes including by having travel documents in order," a spokesman said. Meetings on the evacuation plan are taking place at the Ministry of Defence. An MoD spokeswoman said the two ships had been given "no specific tasking", but added: "As you would expect we are monitoring the situation closely and are engaging in prudent contingency planning." "As part of this HMS Illustrious and HMS Bulwark will shortly head towards the region," she said. 'Planes and bombs' Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert has said the offensive against Lebanese targets will continue until Hezbollah releases the soldiers and stops firing rockets at Israel. British student Karen Wild from Sheffield, who is in the Lebanese capital, Beirut, told BBC News 24 that she did "not feel safe". She said she had spoken to the British embassy in Beirut who had told her to "stay put, stay inside" for the time being. "It is quite unnerving when you hear the planes and bombs coming," said the student of Arabic. Ms Wild said fellow Canadian, Spanish and Italian students had been evacuated in the past few days. There are several thousand Britons in Beirut. One who has got out of the city is student Angela Quatermaine, from Oxford. She told the BBC: "The Lebanese have been so kind and friendly... they have been wonderful getting us out of Beirut." Referring to the news that the two Royal Navy vessels were on standby, she said: "I don't know how they are going to get here as the port has been bombed... we'll believe it when we see it." Marines aboard BBC defence correspondent Paul Wood has said that 24 hours to get ready for sailing would be considered a "short turnaround" for the two ships. He said that damage to the airport and port in Beirut meant it would be "difficult to get in". "Any evacuation would be carried out in concert with other countries, led by the US," he added. Mr Wood said HMS Bullwark had a contingent of 500 marines, which could be used to make beaches safe in the event of any evacuation. HMS Illustrious has helicopters and fighter bombers on board, which again could be used to aid any evacuation. 'I don't know how they(Navy ships) are going to get here as the port has been bombed' Angela Quatermaine, Oxford student http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/5184018.stm

You know nothing.

Probably not.....but I'm sure most players will have to leave.

Hahaha, ....well Democrats are probably just as bad to be honest....when a RICH major Republican supporter (Rupert Murdoch) starts supporting Hilary Clinton and the Democrats you know there's something amiss. Both parties are controlled by the same central banks....scary when you haven't got a real choice anymore...:(

White-wash might be accurate........but I think Juventus will be in S.3 by the end of it all.

We are probably already in it.

I don't support the Bombings by either side....but.... ....The support for Israel here is frighening. I'm not going to get into this any further here.....it's a dead end argument. Israel’s supposed arch-enemy, the terrorist group Hamas, was founded and funded by Israel’s dominant Likud party and continues to be bankrolled to this day by political bodies pushing a one world government system. This is not my opinion and I am not breaking an exclusive story. It is a documented fact reported on by mainstream news outlets and admitted by respected individuals within the US and Israeli governments and intelligence agencies. Nidal planned to oust Saddam (Palestinian terrorist working for Mossad): News Insight 08/22/02 The Hamas-Likud Pairing: Jerusalem Post 08/25/95 Hamas Divided Against Itself: Middle East Intelligence Bullitin 06/99 Israeli Roots of Hamas are being exposed: Centre for Research on Globalisation 18/18/02 Sharon War Plan Exposed: Hamas Gang Is His Tool: Executive Intelligence Review 07/20/01 Arafat: Hamas Are Sharon's Children: Executive Review News Service 12/21/01 Israel's Hamas: The New York Press 04/17/02 The objectives of Hamas dovetail with those of the Likud, no settlement at all costs. Whenever the prospect of a workable peace settlement between the Israelis and Palestinians arises, Hamas or one of their offshoots blows a bus, restaurant or a hotel to pieces. This gives Israel the justification needed to scupper any agreement and further entrench their occupation of disputed lands. All the outsider sees is carnage, death and a mainstream media that spins the issue so that these atrocities somehow represent the wishes of the Palestinian people. The Globalists have no intention of settling the conflict and will likely use it several years down the line to initiate a near-apocalyptic third world war that will fully ensconce their wicked empire. The final phase is a stage-managed ‘clash of civilizations’ between the Arab world, possibly supported by China, and the west. According to United Press International, “Israel and Hamas may currently be locked in deadly combat, but, according to several current and former U.S. intelligence officials, beginning in the late 1970s, Tel Aviv gave direct and indirect financial aid to Hamas over a period of years.”

Israel's offensive did not start last week. The three-month-old Israeli government is responsible for the killing eighty or more Palestinians.........some of whom were children.......in attacks aimed at carrying out illegal extrajudicial assassinations and other punishments........ Hamas has maintained a one-sided cease-fire for the past sixteen months, but continued Israeli attacks made Palestinian retaliation only a question of time. (Palestinian factions not under Hamas's control had been firing home-made rockets across the border off and on during this period--almost always with little or no damage or casualties--but these factions maintained that the attacks were in response to Israeli provocations.) Since the beginning of the intifada in September 2000, repeated Israeli bombardments and targeted assassinations against Palestinians have aggravated the violence and led to Israeli deaths. In fact, according to the US academic Steve Niva, who has been documenting the intifada, many major Palestinian suicide bombings since 2001 have come in retaliation for Israeli assassinations, many of which occurred when the Palestinians were mulling over or abiding by self-imposed restraint. To give three examples: On July 31, 2001, Israel's assassination of the two leading Hamas militants in Nablus ended a nearly two-month Hamas cease-fire, leading to the terrible August 9 Hamas suicide bombing in a Jerusalem pizzeria. On July 22, 2002, an Israeli air attack on a crowded apartment block in Gaza City killed a senior Hamas leader, Salah Shehada, and fourteen civilians, nine of them children, hours before a widely reported unilateral cease-fire declaration. A suicide bombing followed on August 4. On June 10, 2003, Israel's attempted assassination of the senior Hamas political leader in Gaza, Abdel-Aziz al-Rantisi, which wounded him and killed four Palestinian civilians, led to a bus bombing in Jerusalem on June 11 that killed sixteen Israelis. Although Israel's provocations don't justify suicide bombings, they demonstrate how its deterrence has lost its effectiveness and why the source of terrorism lies first and foremost in its aggression and occupation. In this context, affected Palestinian civilians see themselves not as "collateral damage" but as victims of state terrorism. As for the nature of its "retaliation," one could hardly refer to Israel's destruction of the civic infrastructure of 1.3 million Palestinians as "measured." The Israeli army began last week's offensive on the Gaza Strip by bombing bridges, roads and electric supplies, and by arresting nearly one-third of Hamas's West Bank-based parliamentarians and ministers (according to the Israeli press, the security services are holding the elected Palestinian officials as bargaining chips with Hamas). The nature of the Israeli offensive is to punish, overwhelm and deter with disproportionate force, regardless of the suffering of the general public. Cutting off basic services of the Palestinians is not only unjustified, it is collective punishment of a civilian population--illegal under the Fourth Geneva Convention. The asymmetry between Israeli and Palestinian firepower mustn't be translated into asymmetry between the value of Israeli and Palestinian life. The Palestinians have captured one Israeli soldier, but Israel holds more than 9,000 Palestinian prisoners, about 900 of whom are under "administrative detention," i.e., without trial. It has held some of these prisoners for longer than three years. Those in the international community calling for the IDF soldier's release need to address, at minimum, the ordeal of Palestinian women and children in Israeli jails. The Israeli government, like any other, has the right and indeed the duty to protect its people, but not at the high expense of the Palestinians, whose government's credibility also rests on defending its people. The use of military force to scare and overawe a civilian population for political ends--in this case, to pressure the Palestinian Authority or undermine the Hamas government--is the very definition of state terrorism. In its thirty-nine years of occupation, Israel's attempts to tame or intimidate the Palestinians have instead led to their incitement and radicalization. Isn't it time for Israel to change course? After all, in a minuscule territory where the longest distance separating an Israeli and Palestinian area is no more than nine kilometers, Israelis will never be secure if the Palestinians are utterly insecure. That's why Israel's harsh responses to Palestinian militancy have generally increased, not reduced, the threat to Israelis. While from 1978 to 1987 eighty-two Israelis were killed in Palestinian attacks, that figure jumped to more than 400 the following decade. And in less than two years of the second intifada (September 29, 2000, to May 29, 2002), more than 450 Israelis and 1,250 Palestinians were slain, mostly civilians on both sides. Lastly, regarding its refusal to bargain with "terrorists," Israel's previous dealings with Lebanon's Hezbollah paint a different picture. Israel's bombardment of Beirut's electric generators and its Operation "Grapes of Wrath" in 1996, which led to the Qana massacre, failed, like many other operations, to deter the Lebanese resistance, which eventually forced Israel to negotiate through a third party with those it deemed "Islamist terrorists" and release hundreds of Lebanese and Palestinian prisoners from its jails in exchange for the remains of dead Israeli soldiers. The ongoing saga has once again demonstrated the absurdity of unilateralism as a viable and secure solution. And yet, the Olmert government is using the kidnapping of the soldier to undermine the historic agreement Hamas has reached with PA President Mahmoud Abbas's Fatah party over a unity government and de facto recognition of and negotiations with Israel, its sworn enemy. Whether we like it or not, Hamas, like Hezbollah, is mostly a byproduct of an oppressive occupation, not the other way around. That's why refraining from excessive use of force and concentrating all efforts on a negotiated end to the occupation is paramount. Otherwise, Israel will only increase Hamas's popularity and push it back to clandestinity and war. "Israel's offensive against the besieged territories -- and now Lebanon -- will only leave the region with more destruction, and the Israeli government with more deadlock." Marwan Bishara - lecturer at the American University of Paris