Are you astonished that people find your behavior and way of thinking offensive?

You shouldn't.

yes because i dont agree with you i dont have my own mind...very intelligent thing to say....wow.

 

i contribute far more then your childish immature remarks. please refrain from acting like a child.

 

well, i don't like talking behind people's backs, so i'm just gonna say it to you straight.

 

you're acting like a freaking 17-year-old brat.

 

i don't mind if you disagree, but whatever you say is always laced with hostility--like, "load of bullshit nothing more nothing less....its kinda funny though, how people could believe such crazy shit...it amuses me."

 

if that's not childish, i don't know what is.

yes because i dont agree with you i dont have my own mind...very intelligent thing to say....wow.

 

i contribute far more then your childish immature remarks. please refrain from acting like a child.

 

 

 

duuuuuuuuude.... you are totally contradicting yourself here.. lol I would quit while your ahead.. well, then again, you haven't really been 'ahead'.. just quit then.

 

 

Like I mentioned before.... contribute discussion... points of interest... not pointing fingers or namecalling... I think everyone here has contributed to some extent.. even though we disagree with you.. doesn't mean we're all ganging up on your opinion... its just that, its your opinion. We can respect that.... but then show us your side... show us some 'facts' as you claim all these things are 'opinion'... prove us wrong then, and discuss....

 

 

honestly... its like chatting up with Albie in here!!! :stunned:

load of bullshit nothing more nothing less....its kinda funny though' date=' how people could believe such crazy shit...it amuses me.[/quote']

 

 

It's funny that people still believe the crazy shit their corrupt government tells them, and this is all over the globe I'm talking about.

what i dont want is people who arent mature in these discussions. please act mature.

What I want see is individual who is not so overly patriotic that they have difficulty in being objective. Intelligence comes with objectivity, being able so see an argument/discussion from a variety of angles, and in the end deciphering right from wrong and supporting your argument with good premises. Dude you just have to become nore open-minded and think with a more analytical process. Things are not always so one-sided, you really haev to start looking deeper. Regards

TIMELINE - Up until the morning before the terrible events

 

A TIMELINE OF PAST EVENTS IN HISTORY, UP UNTIL JUST BEFORE THE EVENTS OF 9/11

 

TIMELINE - Including refering links to info presented.

 

March 13th, 1962

Lyman Lemnitzer, chairman of the joint chiefs of staff, presents a proposal to secretary of defense robert McNamara, Named Operation Northwoods.Click For a copy

The document proposed staging terrorist attacks in and around Guantanamo Bay, to provide a pretext for military intervention in Cuba.

This includes destroying passenger planes.

 

 

December 1st, 1984

A remote-controlled Boeing 720 takes off from Edwards Air Force Base, and is crash landed by NASA for fuel research.

Click for remote control video clip

 

 

August, 1997

The cover of FEMA’s “Emergency Response to Terrorism” depicts the World Trade Center in crosshairs.

 

 

September, 2000

The Project for a New American Century, a neo-conservative think tank whose members include Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, Jeb Bush and Paul Wolfowitz, releases their report entitled “Rebuilding America’s Defenses.”

Click for PDF copy of the actual report Rebuilding America's Denfenses

In it, they declare that “the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event -[glow=green]like a new Pearl Harbor.”[/glow][glow=red](Pages 50-51)[/glow]

 

 

October 24th, 2000

The Pentagon conducts the first of two training exercises called MASCAL, which simulates a Boeing 757 crashing into the building.

 

Charles Burlingame, an ex-Navy F4 pilot who worked in the Pentagon, participates in this exercise before retiring to take a job at American Airlines, where, less than a year later, his Boeing 757 allegedly crashes into the building.

 

 

July 24th, 2001

Larry A. Silverstein, who already owned World Trade Center 7, signs a $3.2 billion dollar, 99-year lease on the entire World Trade Center complex, six weeks before 9-11.

Included in the lease is a $3.5 billion dollar insurance policy specifically covering acts of terrorism.

 

September 6th, 2001

3,150 put options are placed on United Airlines’ stock.

A put option is a bet that a stock will fall. That day, the put options were more than four times its daily average.

 

Bomb sniffing dogs are pulled from the World Trade Center, and security guards end two-weeks of 12 hour shifts.

 

September 7th, 2001

27,294 put options are placed on Boeing’s stock, more than five times the daily average.

 

September 10th, 2001

4,516 put options are placed on American Airlines, almost 11 times its daily average.

 

Newsweek reports that a number of top Pentagon brass cancel their flight plans for the next morning.

 

San Francisco Mayor Willie Brown receives a phone call warning him not to fly the next morning.

 

Pacifica Radio later reveals that this phone call came directly from National Security Advisor Condoleeza Rice.

 

September 11th, 2001

The National Reconnaissance Office in Chantilly, VA, is preparing for a exercise in which a small corporate jet crashes into their building.

 

NORAD is in the middle of a number of military exercises.

The first, “Vigilant Guardian”, is described as “an exercise that would pose an imaginary crisis to North American Air Defense outposts nationwide”, and “an air defense exercise simulating an attack on the United States.”

 

The second, “Northern Vigilance”, moved fighter jets to Canada and Alaska to fight off an imaginary Russian fleet. (Link - http://www.norad.mil/index.cfm?fuseaction=home.news_rel_09_09_01 Edit - Appears to be a dead link)

 

Three F-16s from Washington D.C.’s National Guard at Andrews Air Force Base, 15 miles from the Pentagon, are flown 180 nautical miles away for a training mission in North Carolina.

 

This left 14 fighter jets to protect the entire United States.

 

[glow=red]The event's of 9/11 then happened.[/glow]

really interesting. thanks gazebolossUK :)

Glad you took the time to read :) :)

It's really worthwhile knowing this stuff :)

 

 

WATCH A GREAT 9/11 EVIDENCE FILM - "LOOSE CHANGE" - Click To Watch

(It's very good. Other films like this should also be watched)

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Pages made that show the compelling evidence that we were lied to in the "official" 9/11 Commision Report.

 

What Happened At The Pentagon....

 

What Happened At The World Trade Center....

 

What Happened With Flight 93....

WHAT HAPPENED TO THE PENTAGON? ILL TELL YOU WITH FACTS AND REASON

 

THE PENTAGON

At 9:37 am on 9/11, 51 minutes after the first plane hit the World Trade Center, the Pentagon was similarly attacked. Though dozens of witnesses saw a Boeing 757 hit the building, conspiracy advocates insist there is evidence that a missile or a different type of plane smashed into the Pentagon.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Big Plane, Small Holes

CLAIM: Two holes were visible in the Pentagon immediately after the attack: a 75-ft.-wide entry hole in the building's exterior wall, and a 16-ft.-wide hole in Ring C, the Pentagon's middle ring. Conspiracy theorists claim both holes are far too small to have been made by a Boeing 757. "How does a plane 125 ft. wide and 155 ft. long fit into a hole which is only 16 ft. across?" asks reopen911.org, a Web site "dedicated to discovering the bottom line truth to what really occurred on September 11, 2001."

 

The truth is of even less importance to French author Thierry Meyssan, whose baseless assertions are fodder for even mainstream European and Middle Eastern media. In his book The Big Lie, Meyssan concludes that the Pentagon was struck by a satellite-guided missile--part of an elaborate U.S. military coup. "This attack," he writes, "could only be committed by United States military personnel against other U.S. military personnel."

 

FACT: When American Airlines Flight 77 hit the Pentagon's exterior wall, Ring E, it created a hole approximately 75 ft. wide, according to the ASCE Pentagon Building Performance Report. The exterior facade collapsed about 20 minutes after impact, but ASCE based its measurements of the original hole on the number of first-floor support columns that were destroyed or damaged. Computer simulations confirmed the findings.

 

Why wasn't the hole as wide as a 757's 124-ft.-10-in. wingspan? A crashing jet doesn't punch a cartoon-like outline of itself into a reinforced concrete building, says ASCE team member Mete Sozen, a professor of structural engineering at Purdue University. In this case, one wing hit the ground; the other was sheared off by the force of the impact with the Pentagon's load-bearing columns, explains Sozen, who specializes in the behavior of concrete buildings. What was left of the plane flowed into the structure in a state closer to a liquid than a solid mass. "If you expected the entire wing to cut into the building," Sozen tells PM, "it didn't happen."

 

The tidy hole in Ring C was 12 ft. wide--not 16 ft. ASCE concludes it was made by the jet's landing gear, not by the fuselage.

 

 

 

 

 

HOLE TRUTH: Flight 77’s landing gear punched a 12-ft. hole into the Pentagon’s Ring C.

 

 

Intact Windows

CLAIM: Many Pentagon windows remained in one piece--even those just above the point of impact from the Boeing 757 passenger plane. Pentagonstrike.co.uk, an online animation widely circulated in the United States and Europe, claims that photographs showing "intact windows" directly above the crash site prove "a missile" or "a craft much smaller than a 757" struck the Pentagon.

 

FACT: Some windows near the impact area did indeed survive the crash. But that's what the windows were supposed to do--they're blast-resistant.

 

"A blast-resistant window must be designed to resist a force significantly higher than a hurricane that's hitting instantaneously," says Ken Hays, executive vice president of Masonry Arts, the Bessemer, Ala., company that designed, manufactured and installed the Pentagon windows. Some were knocked out of the walls by the crash and the outer ring's later collapse. "They were not designed to receive wracking seismic force," Hays notes. "They were designed to take in inward pressure from a blast event, which apparently they did: [before the collapse] the blinds were still stacked neatly behind the window glass."

 

 

Flight 77 Debris

CLAIM: Conspiracy theorists insist there was no plane wreckage at the Pentagon. "In reality, a Boeing 757 was never found," claims pentagonstrike.co.uk, which asks the question, "What hit the Pentagon on 9/11?"

 

FACT: Blast expert Allyn E. Kilsheimer was the first structural engineer to arrive at the Pentagon after the crash and helped coordinate the emergency response. "It was absolutely a plane, and I'll tell you why," says Kilsheimer, CEO of KCE Structural Engineers PC, Washington, D.C. "I saw the marks of the plane wing on the face of the building. I picked up parts of the plane with the airline markings on them. I held in my hand the tail section of the plane, and I found the black box." Kilsheimer's eyewitness account is backed up by photos of plane wreckage inside and outside the building. Kilsheimer adds: "I held parts of uniforms from crew members in my hands, including body parts. Okay?"

 

 

 

 

 

AFTERMATH: Wreckage from Flight 77 on the Pentagon’s lawn--proof that a passenger plane, not a missile, hit the building.

Your being lied to my friend. It is a documented FACT, actual FACT that there are dozens of security camera's facing that side of the pentagon. It's the most secure building in the USA...it's your prime military op headquarters. Yet EVERY security camera was taken by the FBI and never given back to places like the Sheraton Hotel who have never got their camera footage back.....

...

.....we have never been shown any other footage except the footage the government gave to the press. That 5 frames of tape.......Please, I think anybody with have a brain can realise that it's a cover up. They COULD show us the tape from the Sheraton Hotel, that would prove that it was a commercial jet.....so why don't they??? It's because they can't!!! Now it's ok for the government to use footage that is very bad quality to try to bullshit us, but when anybody else uses it to disprove what we have been told then it's all a "THEORY".....yeah right...they must think we are ALL idoits.

You do know that EVERY 757 pilot in the world would never agree that a 757 could move the way it is said to have manourved in the offical report right?? It's absoloutely inconceivable that a 757 "executed a 330-degree turn at 530 MPH descending 7,000 feet in two and a half minutes...".....you do know that it's impossible for a 757 to do that??? Obviously you don't.

And that first person on air that day said he saw a commercial jet.....so you believe that.......even though many people on the day said they saw a much smaller plane. If you actually look at the photos taken that day....there is NO TRACE of a 757....nothing...except some badly placed and badly made wreckage fakes. AN ABSOLUTE IDIOT CAN WORK THIS OUT IF YOU JUST LOOK. The official report was compiled by Henry Kissinger who was "independantly appointed" by George W Bush. I mean god...Henry Kissinger is the least independant person they could have chosen. A man who has said the following things....

 

“I can think of no faster way to unite the American people behind George W. Bush than a terrorist attack on an American target overseas. And I believe George W. Bush will quickly unite the American people through his foreign policy.” Statement from 2000.

 

“Depopulation should be the highest priority of foreign policy towards the third world, because the US economy will require large and increasing amounts of minerals from abroad, especially from less developed countries.”

 

Anyway....it's not entirely your fault that you believe the "official story"....your meant to....it's what you have been conditioned to believe by the mainstream media (who are controlled by corporations who gain from war). It's such a shame that you feel the need to defend the terrible, maniacal mass murderers that control your country but it doesn't really matter if you don't care about the real truth because you won't and probably can't do anything to make Bush and his whole administration look any better....but millions of people across the world are going are at least going to try and push the government on all the lies they have told. They can't give us all the silent treatment forever......it's starting to make people very mad.

But mad is only the beginning. Don’t get mad. Don’t get even. Instead, let’s get together and get results to take these guys down....it's starting to happen.

^listen to him. really :)

i did and i laughed. im going ot side with common sense and evidence and proof not far out conspiracey theories. sorry but logic is worth more to men then a whacky theory not backed by proof or common sense.

i did and i laughed. im going ot side with common sense and evidence and proof not far out conspiracey theories. sorry but logic is worth more to men then a whacky theory not backed by proof or common sense.

 

Stop saying "whacky theories".

no. they are quite whacky.

"plane flowed into the structure in a state closer to a liquid than a solid mass." (mrcool011)

 

Ha ha ha !! that's funny!!! except that avaition fuel wouldn't produce enough heat to melt a plane - Basic chemistry isn't it?

 

(Check your Periodic Chart now children)

 

The plane is made of a titanium alloy. . . . Titanium - melting point = 1688 deg C.

Jet fuel = Kerosene which is a Hyrdo Carbon - this can reach a heat up to 1120 Deg C... oh and that is after about 40 minutes, ie the fuel would need to be maintained!!!!!! (but you said this happened on impact)

 

Doesn't add up now does it Ti - melts at 1688 deg C, HC will only get up to 1120.

 

Oh and if the plane reached a liquid state - how on earth did investigators manage to identify DNA of 184 of the 189 Pentagon staff????? wouldn't they be liquified too?

 

Something is fishy here. . . . .

^^^you've been doing your reseach too, reading and watching the same things as I, very good :)

sorry but logic is worth more to men then a whacky theory not backed by proof or common sense.

 

 

come on nick, i think gazebofloss has given approximately 23934949505056968490303035 pages worth of evidence and proof to back up his argument.

quite clearly he has substantiated his claims.

if you think these theories are "whacky" or not backed by "common sense" then at least try and prove his claims wrong with your evidence instead of dismissing it so thoughtlessly.

 

as a person said a few pages back (the one with the disgusting avatar that makes me want to puke :lol: ) it's essential to at least attempt to be objective. instead of blindingly dismissing every piece of fact/evidence he's put forward. objectivity my friend, objectivity is the key :idea2:

 

 

 

 

 

on a completely unrelated note, this emoticon amused me :chef:

now carry on with your discussion. :curtain:

come on nick, i think gazebofloss has given approximately 23934949505056968490303035 pages worth of evidence and proof to back up his argument.

quite clearly he has substantiated his claims.

if you think these theories are "whacky" or not backed by "common sense" then at least try and prove his claims wrong with your evidence instead of dismissing it so thoughtlessly.

 

as a person said a few pages back (the one with the disgusting avatar that makes me want to puke :lol: ) it's essential to at least attempt to be objective. instead of blindingly dismissing every piece of fact/evidence he's put forward. objectivity my friend, objectivity is the key :idea2:

 

 

 

 

 

on a completely unrelated note, this emoticon amused me :chef:

now carry on with your discussion. :curtain:

 

 

extremely flawed evidence lacking in facts and logic. you can post a bunch of crap that looks like its evidence but its just bs. the facts are out there and ive they show these far out theories are false

 

http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/defense/1227842.html?page=1

 

pretty well proves 911 happened how the gov says and how conspiracey theorist have taken the story and twisted it to their political views...

"plane flowed into the structure in a state closer to a liquid than a solid mass." (mrcool011)

 

Ha ha ha !! that's funny!!! except that avaition fuel wouldn't produce enough heat to melt a plane - Basic chemistry isn't it?

 

(Check your Periodic Chart now children)

 

The plane is made of a titanium alloy. . . . Titanium - melting point = 1688 deg C.

Jet fuel = Kerosene which is a Hyrdo Carbon - this can reach a heat up to 1120 Deg C... oh and that is after about 40 minutes, ie the fuel would need to be maintained!!!!!! (but you said this happened on impact)

 

Doesn't add up now does it Ti - melts at 1688 deg C, HC will only get up to 1120.

 

Oh and if the plane reached a liquid state - how on earth did investigators manage to identify DNA of 184 of the 189 Pentagon staff????? wouldn't they be liquified too?

 

Something is fishy here. . . . .

 

 

 

"Melted" Steel

CLAIM: "We have been lied to," announces the Web site AttackOnAmerica.net. "The first lie was that the load of fuel from the aircraft was the cause of structural failure. No kerosene fire can burn hot enough to melt steel." The posting is entitled "Proof Of Controlled Demolition At The WTC."

 

FACT: Jet fuel burns at 800° to 1500°F, not hot enough to melt steel (2750°F). However, experts agree that for the towers to collapse, their steel frames didn't need to melt, they just had to lose some of their structural strength--and that required exposure to much less heat. "I have never seen melted steel in a building fire," says retired New York deputy fire chief Vincent Dunn, author of The Collapse Of Burning Buildings: A Guide To Fireground Safety. "But I've seen a lot of twisted, warped, bent and sagging steel. What happens is that the steel tries to expand at both ends, but when it can no longer expand, it sags and the surrounding concrete cracks."

 

"Steel loses about 50 percent of its strength at 1100°F," notes senior engineer Farid Alfawak-hiri of the American Institute of Steel Construction. "And at 1800° it is probably at less than 10 percent." NIST also believes that a great deal of the spray-on fireproofing insulation was likely knocked off the steel beams that were in the path of the crashing jets, leaving the metal more vulnerable to the heat.

 

But jet fuel wasn't the only thing burning, notes Forman Williams, a professor of engineering at the University of California, San Diego, and one of seven structural engineers and fire experts that PM consulted. He says that while the jet fuel was the catalyst for the WTC fires, the resulting inferno was intensified by the combustible material inside the buildings, including rugs, curtains, furniture and paper. NIST reports that pockets of fire hit 1832°F.

 

"The jet fuel was the ignition source," Williams tells PM. "It burned for maybe 10 minutes, and [the towers] were still standing in 10 minutes. It was the rest of the stuff burning afterward that was responsible for the heat transfer that eventually brought them down.

"Melted" Steel

CLAIM: "We have been lied to," announces the Web site AttackOnAmerica.net. "The first lie was that the load of fuel from the aircraft was the cause of structural failure. No kerosene fire can burn hot enough to melt steel." The posting is entitled "Proof Of Controlled Demolition At The WTC."

 

FACT: Jet fuel burns at 800° to 1500°F, not hot enough to melt steel (2750°F). However, experts agree that for the towers to collapse, their steel frames didn't need to melt, they just had to lose some of their structural strength--and that required exposure to much less heat. "I have never seen melted steel in a building fire," says retired New York deputy fire chief Vincent Dunn, author of The Collapse Of Burning Buildings: A Guide To Fireground Safety. "But I've seen a lot of twisted, warped, bent and sagging steel. What happens is that the steel tries to expand at both ends, but when it can no longer expand, it sags and the surrounding concrete cracks."

 

"Steel loses about 50 percent of its strength at 1100°F," notes senior engineer Farid Alfawak-hiri of the American Institute of Steel Construction. "And at 1800° it is probably at less than 10 percent." NIST also believes that a great deal of the spray-on fireproofing insulation was likely knocked off the steel beams that were in the path of the crashing jets, leaving the metal more vulnerable to the heat.

 

But jet fuel wasn't the only thing burning, notes Forman Williams, a professor of engineering at the University of California, San Diego, and one of seven structural engineers and fire experts that PM consulted. He says that while the jet fuel was the catalyst for the WTC fires, the resulting inferno was intensified by the combustible material inside the buildings, including rugs, curtains, furniture and paper. NIST reports that pockets of fire hit 1832°F.

 

"The jet fuel was the ignition source," Williams tells PM. "It burned for maybe 10 minutes, and [the towers] were still standing in 10 minutes. It was the rest of the stuff burning afterward that was responsible for the heat transfer that eventually brought them down.

 

 

Tut tut tut. . ....we are talking about the Pentagon here. . . . not the towers......

You seem like an intelligent person. . . why is your mind so closed?

 

(Hey I sound like a Jedi Master Yoda! - "Closed is you mind, intelligent person you seem....anger leads to greed, greed leads to invading foreign countries, invading foreign countries leads to plundering their oil resources......)

Tut tut tut. . ....we are talking about the Pentagon here. . . . not the towers......

You seem like an intelligent person. . . why is your mind so closed?

 

(Hey I sound like a Jedi Master Yoda! - "Closed is you mind, intelligent person you seem....anger leads to greed, greed leads to invading foreign countries, invading foreign countries leads to plundering their oil resources......)

 

my mind is very open. that is why i dont buy these looney theories.

The currupt cult that is controlling America love to have little "In-Jokes" and display things in public view for their own amusement.

$20 Bill folded into a paper plane...

 

 

Pentagon on fire??

 

Twin Towers?

 

 

What are the odds that a simple geometric folding of the $20 bill

would accidentally contain a representation of both terror attacks?

COINCIDENCE? YOU DECIDE!

 

 

 

 

 

What are the odds that a simple geometric folding of the $20 bill

would accidentally contain a representation of both terror attacks?

COINCIDENCE? YOU DECIDE!

WATCH THIS 9/11 - Martial Law - The Rise Of The Police State

 

Shows what you should be worried about.