I think this intention of sports is really abused by this....sports were not "invented" to cheat or to use forbidden drugs to win......actually just for fun...or to reach personal aims or somethnig like that.....

 

and if this will happen next year again (and I'm almost sure about that...) I think the tour de france doesn't have a good future...

i don't know if its only the tour that is messed up. i think this is just the only sport where there is this much control. I think a lot of athlets of the olympics used drugs too ...

 

i think we almost have to accept drugs in the sports.

so the guy claims he has naturally high testosterone?? :thinking:

yup ... but that's what they all do when they're caught :rolleyes:

 

every time someone gets caught they say 'its natural ... blablabla ... i didn't know the doctor put THAT in me ... blablabla ... they said it weren't drugs' stupid cyclists

Dude. :angry: Did any of you actually watch the stage that he won? Did you see the interviews afterwards?

 

Floyd Landis, the aw-shucks Mennonite farmboy- the last person anyone would expect to see angry, let alone cheat (if you can't trust a Mennonite I don't think you can trust anyone) was furious. He had been humiliated the day before, and now he was fuming. He was fighting back. For the first time he showed any real aggression in both how he rode (he hadn't wanted to show off before) and afterwards. Instead of shyly squeaking out the answers in the post race interviews like he had done before, he was interrupting people. He was glowering at the camera and saying this race isn't over I want to win.

 

Now I'm not a scientist, but from what I understand extreme anger is linked to natural spikes in testosterone. Lo and behold the only test for the whole race that Landis failed was the one on the day that he was so angry that he wanted to ride like a real champion for once.

 

Illegal drugs like synthetic testosterone take weeks to be effective. It wouldn't make sense for him to just top up on some drugs the night before and spring back to life. Of course he had an IV drip of fluids the night before if he was dehydrated, but that's both legal and common.

 

Cycling has become so sensitive about doping that natural body functions can trip off tests. There were football players, soccer players, basketball players, you name it named in that doping scandal at the start of the race, but the only ones who were singled out were the cyclists. No one is going on about how corrupt soccer is with drugs and we shouldn't believe anything anyone does on the field anymore.

 

Not to mention that due process has been completly ignored here. Normally, you test the first sample, then the second. If the second sample is clean, everything is forgotten an no one ever knows. If the second is positive, then they run a third test that shows if any of the testosterone is synthetic. If it isn't, it was a natural body function.

 

Phonak blabbed about Landis' first failed test because Landis had to miss some one day races this week. Now everyone is assuming he's guilty before the tests are even finished. He still may have doped, but he could be telling the truth too. The tests are so sensitive that even a natural deficiancy in a second type of testosterone could have set them off. But usually we never hear about those false positives because THEY'RE GIVEN TIME TO FINISH THE TESTS.

I think theres probably an innocent explanation for Floyd Landis.

Think about it - Had a bad day so hes probably on all sorts of vitamins/minerals etc to help him recover, hes been drinking, then hes also on meds for his bad hip - hes due to have a hip replacement operation this summer he was in alot of pain so i reckon/hope it was a combo of all these factors that produced the result. All his other tests taken throughout the tour were neagative.

 

As for the fact that no normal human being could have done what he did when he won that stage thats a bit bull. It was a fantastic ride, however had his rivals decided to do something about it earlier than he did he would;ve gained a few minutes maybe not even won at all. they didnt, they took it easy when they should've attacked.

 

As for Lance I'm pretty sure he was clean. He was tested heavily and passed them all. Then theres the fact that while all the other riders did a full season - his season was the tour. His an ace allrounder and excellant time triallist. He was a top racer before his cancer and when he recovered he found a new determination and more focus that enabled him to be succusful. And he had more than his fair share of luck and also his rivals werent that good either.

And also think about this: Lance Armstrong has become a role model/Inspiration for millions of people around the world. He Knows this. Would you like to risk letting millions of people down? Esp all the sick and dying kids? I couldnt.

Report: Tests implicate Landis

/ Associated Press

Posted: 30 minutes ago

 

NEW YORK (AP) - Tests show that some of the testosterone in Floyd Landis' system at the Tour de France was synthetic and not naturally produced by his body as he claimed, according to a newspaper report.

 

The French antidoping lab testing the American cyclist's samples determined that some of the hormone came from an external source, The New York Times reported on its Web site Monday night, citing a person at the International Cycling Union with knowledge of the result.

The finding undermines the defense that Landis has stood behind since he tested positive for an elevated ratio of testosterone to epitestosterone following the 17th stage of the Tour de France, where he staged a stirring comeback in the Alps to make up for a poor performance the day before.

 

Looking and sounding defiant, Landis said Friday that his body's natural metabolism - not doping of any kind - caused the result, and that he would undergo tests to prove it.

 

"We will explain to the world why this is not a doping case but a natural occurrence," Landis said at a news conference in Madrid, Spain.

 

But after determining that Landis's ratio of testosterone to epitestosterone was more than twice the limit of 4:1, the lab performed a carbon isotope ratio test on the first of Landis's two urine samples, the person told the Times.

 

That test determines whether the testosterone it is natural or synthetic.

 

Landis officially requested the testing of his backup urine sample Monday for an elevated testosterone ratio. If the "B" test is negative, Landis would be cleared. If it's positive, which Landis' lawyers say they expect, he could be stripped of his Tour victory and banned for two years.

 

The Times reported that Landis was in New York on Monday night and could not be reached for comment.

 

http://msn.foxsports.com/other/story/5834528?FSO1&ATT=HMA

^Thanks for the heads up. Doesn't look good.

 

Here's the original article they're quoting, though I think you need to register- http://www.nytimes.com/2006/08/01/sports/othersports/01landis.html?hp&ex=1154404800&en=17bc932fe506615c&ei=5094&partner=homepage

 

Looks like the conspiracy theories are still alive and kicking... there are those who think that it's a plot to keep another American from winning... paranoid, but possible I suppose

 

Dr. Gary I. Wadler, a member of the World Anti-Doping Agency and an associate professor at New York University School of Medicine, said that the result of the carbon isotope ratio test already proved that there was synthetic testosterone in Landis’s system. He said that the test needs to be done only once, on either an A or on a B sample, particularly if the athlete’s testosterone to epitestosterone ratio is found to be high or if that elevated level is inconsistent with previous test results.

“The rules say that it is a violation, but if you can show that the athlete had no fault or no significant fault, there could be a mitigation of the sanction,” Wadler said. “No matter how it got there, the athlete has to show how it got into his or her body. It could have been sabotage or contaminated dietary supplements, or something else, but they have to prove how the testosterone got there.”

http://uk.sports.yahoo.com/060801/2/luwh.html

 

I might be right! Intresting article.

Landis contranalysis gave possitivie again! :o

 

Seems the Tour has a new REAL winner: Spaniard, Oscar Pereiro.

:stunned:

well they have to test his blood first and them make the winning ceremony again.