Whats sad is your attempt to hijack this issue with childish things.

 

Ill talk to you like 8 yr old since you seem to think like one. if i think its evil and wrong, that means im not ok with it hence me calling it evil and wrong, thus my answere is no, its not ok...its sad i have to use this many words to explain simple things.:rolleyes:

 

I didnt give a direct answer because ANYONE with intelligence would understand from me saying its evil and wrong, that i'd be agaisnt it, plus the fact i said just because its legal does not make it right....wow people are dumb.

haha its funny how you keep editing your replies but not the point, you just like to go around question without giving a proper answer, i asked you if you would support israel if they killed all palestinians cos it was legal and you didnt answer, though you said the killing all native americans was legal therefore ok even though it was wrong and evil like you said. ..you contradic yourself a lot so its never clear what its your posituion about this issue

haha its funny how you keep editing your replies but not the point' date=' you just like to go around question without giving a proper answer, i asked you if you would support israel if they killed all palestinians cos it was legal and you didnt answer, though you said the killing all native americans was legal therefore ok even though it was wrong and evil like you said. ..you contradic yourself a lot so its never clear what its your posituion about this issue[/quote']

 

 

Oh wow..ok ill talk to you like a 5 yr old now.

 

I dont support genocide in any case for any reason, thus ive been implying in all my post about this...if you lack simple common sesne to notice this then you're dumb.

 

I have said the killings native americans is legal but evil, thus i do not support it. i never said killing the american indians was OK.... thus i have not contradicted myself.

am i insulting you big boy? dont make me go there ok?

 

You never mentioned that you didnt support that you said it was legal so its ok, acceptable ,etc You never bother to clear that up when i asked you til thislast post,w as it that hard to say? not the first time i see you avoiding questions that's why i insisted . Then what israel will probably do is wrong, since palestinian people dont exist right? well that might be true in a near future but it'll be legal so all good hmmm

am i insulting you big boy? dont make me go there ok?

 

You never mentioned that you didnt support that you said it was legal so its ok, acceptable ,etc You never bother to clear that up when i asked you til thislast post,w as it that hard to say? not the first time i see you avoiding questions that's why i insisted . Then what israel will probably do is wrong, since palestinian people dont exist right? well that might be true in a near future but it'll be legal so all good hmmm

 

I never said it was ok, i said it was legal, but i also said just because something is legal does make it ok. thus i implied it was not ok. follow what im saying....its legal, but immoral and wrong, and just because its legal does not make it ok....see where im going. the palestinian people exist, but not as a race or ethnic group.

 

So i never said it was ok, but legal(the killing of american indians) and ive also said any genocide for any reason if its legal or not is WRONG, its nothing short of pure evil.

I have a temper, and i made it quite clear by implying it was evil and wrong, so meaning i think its not ok. sorry if i attacked you but you implied that i support genocide.

Not at first that's why i was confused about your position, you just made that clear now and that's good. It would be incredible wrong to support genocide, no matter if its legal or not, its just wrong, we have to give human life more value, no matter race, belief or religion .

 

I also have a temper ,believe me but i learned to restrain myself, especially during debates , that's how it is in uni and life in general so no offence taken.

Not at first that's why i was confused about your position, you just made that clear now and that's good. It would be incredible wrong to support genocide, no matter if its legal or not, its just wrong, we have to give human life more value, no matter race, belief or religion .

 

I also have a temper ,believe me but i learned to restrain myself, especially during debates , that's how it is in uni and life in general so no offence taken.

 

Ok

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AHH but canada does not take in nearly as many people as we do' date=' big difference and canada has no enemies. lol. i mean who would want to hurt a canadian or their goverment? they never piss anyone off. buti guess your right, canada probably has more liberal policies, but still america is one of the most liberal nations when it comes to immigration, we let more in then any other country. but taking in too many too fast will only hurt america and its citizens, who have more ofa right to this nation then illegals. we should pull all our troops out of every nation except america and gaurd the border, we'd be doing a good job. we'd be leaving other nations alone, stopping terrrorist and criminals from coming in and helping the economy. plus we could save so much money by not having troops all over the world[/quote']

Ahhh...some real words of wisdom there. If we all looked after our own soil rather than sticking our noses where they don't belong, it would be a better place.

 

About Canada not having enemies, we've had one in the American media for quite some time now...America! It all started when former Prime Minister Jean Cretien refused to back Bush in Iraq. CNN, Fox News and others were full of 'Can Our Neighbour To The North Be Trusted?' Bullshit. Between the disputes on Iraq...which are pretty much over now since Stephen Harper can't wait to play war wth Bush, and the disputes over Softwood lumber and fresh water, and NAFTA, things could get shakey between our two nations over the next few years...but that's probably its own thread, and hopefully, I won't have to open it for a while!

We need to focus on the problems at home instead of an empire. the immigration issue is the biggest. we need all our troops back at home after we finish in iraq.

 

 

"The result for Britain and Europe, Parry warned, could be "like the 5th century Roman empire facing the Goths and the Vandals". Parry pointed to the mass migration which disaster in the Third World could unleash. "The diaspora issue is one of my biggest current concerns," he said. "Globalisation makes assimilation seem redundant and old-fashioned . . . [the process] acts as a sort of reverse colonisation, where groups of people are self-contained, going back and forth between their countries, exploiting sophisticated networks and using instant communication on phones and the internet." Third World instability would lick at the edges of the West as pirates attacked holidaymakers from fast boats. "At some time in the next 10 years it may not be safe to sail a yacht between Gibraltar and Malta," said the admiral. He pinpoints 2012 to 2018 as the time when the current global power structure is likely to crumble. Rising nations such as China, India, Brazil and Iran will challenge America's sole superpower status. This will come as "irregular activity" such as terrorism, organised crime and "white companies" of mercenaries burgeon in lawless areas. The effects will be magnified as borders become more porous and some areas sink beyond effective government control."

 

 

Who Supports Mass Immigration and Illegal Immigration?

 

Those who rule

The Power Elite of the West support mass and illegal immigration.

The Elite will say they are following the inevitable path of Globalization and attempting to increase the standard of living of all peoples.

What they are doing: Using mass immigration to reduce the wages of American workers and to displace and disenfranchise any who might oppose them. They strive for a borderless world that they intend to rule as they now do the West. Cheaper labor and more consumers means more $$ for those at the top; it means a broader base to the pyramid. The American standard of living and the U.S. Constitution are not part of their future plans; but rather obstacles.

The Consequences

Turning our great nation into an overpopulated third world nation will, of course, destroy our very way of life. Overpopulation will reduce most of the nation to poverty. We will no longer be able to feed this country, much less than to provide the aid to other countries that we now do. Increasing population while reducing farmland has definitively predictable results. Those that believe otherwise think that technology or God will save us. Neither technology, nor God are saving the millions that live in poverty today.

We already have problems with pollution, urban sprawl, and scarcity of resources that will be magnified by overpopulation. We are already having our wages depressed and our unions whittled away by mass immigration and by worker visa programs said to compensate for phony shortages of Americans in certain fields. We are already engaged in continual warfare to maintain our flow of oil. What will happen when this need doubles, triples? Will we fight wars for other resources that will soon become scarce?

Add to these factors Balkanization, the division of our country into disputing factions based on language or culture. This is already occurring. The idea of America as a melting pot is being replaced by adversity. The idea that immigrants should embrace aspects of our culture or even learn our language is rejected as ethnocentrism or racism. Mass immigration is now creating countries within a country. In fact, the majority of mass immigration is coming from countries that reject our culture, hate us, and seek revenge against us or our allies.

The remainder of the world will also be affected as our principles and alliances shift. Our dream of maintaining a sustainable, decent standard of living in a free society will be lost. We will not be an economic example for the world, and our "foreign policy" will continue to be based upon the acquisition of resources rather than on principle.

Worst Case Scenario: The worst-case scenario is that an era of Dark Ages will ensue, where the progress of Civilization is halted and turned back. Dark Ages usually follow periods of mass migration. As they did after the Barbarian Invasions of the Roman Empire, the Dorian Invasions of Greece, the Kassite Invasion of Babylon, the Hyksos Invasion of Egypt, the Gutian Invasion of Akkad, etc., etc.

Many nations have survived defeat on the battlefield by another sedentary rival state; but have fallen to decade after decade of incursions by nomadic peoples.

Capitalism is a system that needs constant growth. Immigrants provide that growth - more people to sell to, more people working for less.

 

Your and indeed the world economy depends on growth created by immigrants.

 

Sound reasonable?

 

Think of the people who emmirgrate - since your americans we'll use mexico and USA as an example.

 

They are young educated people who are seduced by the promise of life in America (who isnt?) So they want to go there- fair enough, cant do it legally - too poor or unskilled so they have to become illgeals.

Now these people are young and educated - which means that the country they leave behind - Mexico will suffer a decrease in the birth rate and not grow as it should. They take low income jobs in USA because they're arent skilled enough for higher paid jobs. Back in Mexico they suffer because of a large number of the workforce has gone to the US. Its bad for Mexico economy.

 

The US thou gets more people doing lower paid jobs which works out great for companies trying to grow. Cheap labour= More Profit. However with the current backlash against immigrants people use them as an excuse for various things such as crime. Historically cultures havent mixed well. Resentment on both sides grow.

 

I should point out i live in London - I moved here myself a few months ago from up north and i think immigrants are fantastic - They clean our streets, serve our food and drinks, drive our buses (badly) and they tend to be prettier than English girls (even the blokes!)

 

I do however think its a shame that i can get on the bus and be the only (seemingly) English person on it, and considering its the Capital of England i think theres something not quite right.

Capitalism is a system that needs constant growth. Immigrants provide that growth - more people to sell to, more people working for less.

 

Your and indeed the world economy depends on growth created by immigrants.

 

Sound reasonable?

 

Think of the people who emmirgrate - since your americans we'll use mexico and USA as an example.

 

They are young educated people who are seduced by the promise of life in America (who isnt?) So they want to go there- fair enough, cant do it legally - too poor or unskilled so they have to become illgeals.

Now these people are young and educated - which means that the country they leave behind - Mexico will suffer a decrease in the birth rate and not grow as it should. They take low income jobs in USA because they're arent skilled enough for higher paid jobs. Back in Mexico they suffer because of a large number of the workforce has gone to the US. Its bad for Mexico economy.

 

The US thou gets more people doing lower paid jobs which works out great for companies trying to grow. Cheap labour= More Profit. However with the current backlash against immigrants people use them as an excuse for various things such as crime. Historically cultures havent mixed well. Resentment on both sides grow.

 

I should point out i live in London - I moved here myself a few months ago from up north and i think immigrants are fantastic - They clean our streets, serve our food and drinks, drive our buses (badly) and they tend to be prettier than English girls (even the blokes!)

 

I do however think its a shame that i can get on the bus and be the only (seemingly) English person on it, and considering its the Capital of England i think theres something not quite right.

 

 

It may help capitolism but overall hurts the nation, in fact the more illegals we have the more problems we will have, too many too fast is bad for the economy, a good rate of immigrants is good fora capitolistic country, but too many too fast is not. their are a large amount of illegals who are not educated that are coming in, it helps these nations out by dumping their poor on us, so in fact it only helps nations like mexico while hurting america. whats good for big bussiness isnt always good for the average american person or middle class.

 

Immigration is a good thing, but illegal immigration and too many too fast is not. good for big bussiness bad for the average american.

Sadly some immigrants are extremist who want to "re-conquer" the southwest. thats not good.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JsFuAStnEt8&NR

 

a growing number of immigrants want to kick "europpeans" out of america... wonder why lots of people dont like illegals coming here:rolleyes:

 

we want immigrants who arent extreme and dont want to kick americans out of america...but a growing number are becoming a threat , and a growing number of americans dont like the threat. if our goverment doesnt take action soon, more americans will. american citizens are under attack basically, we have a right to do all we can to keep our nation free and secure. AS does any nation.

 

I love it when illegal immigrants protest saying they are not criminals...when they broke the law to get here and are breaking it be living here.

 

It is america's right to stop an illegal invasion. lots of illegals want to turn the southwest into mexico and make it part of mexico. many illegals have the attitude that this is "their" land and that they own it.

 

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9eISWvvMdA

 

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQ3pxuDXGik&mode=related&search=

^ thats propaganda created to divide the nation even more... as if it weren't divided enough..... :rolleyes: don't believe the hype!

^ thats propaganda created to divide the nation even more... as if it weren't divided enough..... :rolleyes: don't believe the hype!

 

Nothing is created, its showing the nation the way things are. just becuase you dont like it does not mean its propaganda. Its the truth.

 

Churchill warning europe about hitler was viewed as propaganda.....

Roman senators warning agaisnt letting the VisiGoths in was viewed as propaganda....

Threats about terrorist attacks on america were viewed as propaganda before 911

Japans military power rising and becoming a threat was viewed as propaganda in the 1930's

:stunned:

 

now we have millions of illegals who want americans to leave america in america AND hundreds of thousands of sex criminals. yeah its propaganda:rolleyes:

Some reason camille does not care for history or the lessons we can learn from it, those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

 

"In 376 a large band of Gothic refugees arrived at the Empire's Danube frontier, asking for asylum. In a complete break with established Roman policy, they were allowed in, unsubdued. They revolted, and within two years had defeated and killed the emperor Valens -- the one who had received them -- along with two-thirds of his army, at the battle of Hadrianople."

NO one on America can truly say they are American... everyone here has decendants from either Europe, Africa, or S. America.... hell I'd even say Canada and any other part of the world...

 

 

this is honestly the first I have heard of 'illegals' telling Americans to leave the SW..... this story is just bonkers.. lol

 

 

... and for your information... I do know history.. lol I lived it, youngster! :P

NO one on America can truly say they are American... everyone here has decendants from either Europe, Africa, or S. America.... hell I'd even say Canada and any other part of the world...

 

 

this is honestly the first I have heard of 'illegals' telling Americans to leave the SW..... this story is just bonkers.. lol

 

 

... and for your information... I do know history.. lol I lived it, youngster! :P

 

yet you seem not to care about it or learn anything from it:dozey:

 

No one in germany can truly say they are german....just about ever nation's most the people came from other lands at point in history....

 

But the europeans came here legally...

 

you reasoning we shouldnt care about crime because its going to happen.

 

 

huh? when did i ever say that? that wasnt my intent/purpose/view at all in the least.

i thank psychosaiqa for her correction in my avatar name

huh? when did i ever say that? that wasnt my intent/purpose/view at all in the least.

 

you seemed to be implying it.

NO one on America can truly say they are American... everyone here has decendants from either Europe, Africa, or S. America.... hell I'd even say Canada and any other part of the world...

 

 

this is honestly the first I have heard of 'illegals' telling Americans to leave the SW..... this story is just bonkers.. lol

 

 

... and for your information... I do know history.. lol I lived it, youngster! :P

Evil illegals wanna get rid of Americans :o Lets call the natives!

 

 

^ This man would be so proud of this thread :wacko:

is there fighting in the streets yet?

Evil illegals wanna get rid of Americans :o Lets call the natives!

 

 

^ This man would be so proud of this thread :wacko:

 

first of all the man was agaisnt legal immigrants.

 

this is about ILLEGAL immigrants.

 

he would be mad at this thread for the fact its ok with having legal immigrants coming in.

 

learn your shit. all i ask if you're going to try to debate is know that the fuck you are talking about!

 

most are agaisnt ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS NOT LEGAL ONES. thats the whole point. hence the tilte has ILLEGAL in it. moron.