Yes, Reagan, JFK, Roosevelt, Washington Abe Lincoln(sp?)....Nixxon would have done a great job if he'd stayed in power longer....

 

When im president there will be a great administration.

 

So what are you gonna do?:P

Attack some American towers, maybe a few bombing just to make Gareth happy..:laugh3:

 

I have no clue, but damnit i'd do something good. I know one thing our national anthem would be Throw it up by Lil jon http://www.lyricsondemand.com/l/liljonlyrics/throwituplyrics.html

Attack some American towers, maybe a few bombing just to make Gareth happy..:laugh3:

 

I have no clue, but damnit i'd do something good. I know one thing our national anthem would be Throw it up by Lil jon http://www.lyricsondemand.com/l/liljonlyrics/throwituplyrics.html

 

Gareth who??:confused:

Gazebofloss, he posts all the 9/11 stuff and other conspiracy stuff.

did you not see what i quoted earlier???? Bush's economic committee CHANGED what the NBER had accepted as the date for the start of the recession from march 2001 to third quarter 2000 in order to blame it on clinton

 

 

"The phrase gained additional mention on February 9, 2004, when President George W. Bush's Council of Economic Advisers produced an economic report which changed the start of the recession from the widely accepted date of March 2001, to the fourth quarter of 2000. This was seen by some as an attempt to blame Clinton, who was still in office during that period."

 

"No one should be surprised when economic or budget forecasts coming out of Washington are influenced by politics, especially during an election year. But when economic history is rewritten -- with political consequences -- that's going too far. President George W. Bush's Council of Economic Advisers, chaired by Harvard economist N. Gregory Mankiw, is trying to get away with exactly such revisionist history. The CEA's Economic Report of the President, released Feb. 9, unilaterally changed the start date of the last recession to benefit Bush's reelection bid. Instead of using the accepted start date of March, 2001, the CEA announced that the recession really started in the fourth quarter of 2000 -- a shift that would make it much more credible for the Bush Administration to term it the "Clinton Recession." In a subsequent press conference, Mankiw said that the CEA had looked at the available data and "made the call."

 

"This simple statement masks an attack on one of the few remaining bastions of economic neutrality. For almost 75 years, the start and end dates of recessions have been set by the National Bureau of Economic Research (NBER), a private nonpartisan research group based in Cambridge, Mass.

 

While there have been complaints over the years, this arrangement has been accepted by economists, government agencies, and politicians -- until now. "For the first time, the federal government is intervening in the process," says Robert Hall, an economist at Stanford University and the conservative Hoover Institution who since 1978 has chaired the NBER panel of seven prominent economists who make the actual decision. The NBER's decisions have been dragged into the political arena before, but without impact. In the early 1980s, the Reagan Administration tried, unsuccessfully, to convince the NBER to combine the 1980 and 1981-82 recessions into a single downturn that could be called the "Carter Recession." During the '92 election season, the first Bush Administration kept hoping that the NBER would announce that the recession of 1990-91 was over -- a statement that didn't come until December, 1992."

 

 

so ACTUALLY YOU are wrong

its so pointless to argue this. The Bush administration deliberately CHANGED the date for the start of the recession. RIGHT AFTER gaining office he proceeded with his tax cuts depleting our funds, he tried to cover it up by making it look like it was Clinton's recession.

 

Sorry but you sir watch too much Fox news

its so pointless to argue this. The Bush administration deliberately CHANGED the date for the start of the recession. RIGHT AFTER gaining office he proceeded with his tax cuts depleting our funds, he tried to cover it up by making it look like it was Clinton's recession.

 

Sorry but you sir watch too much Fox news

 

But it was clinton's policies that caused the recession. learn some facts please! so even IF the timeframe is wrong his POLICIES STILL CAUSED IT. not to mention this has nothing to do with foxnews nor did my ideas come from that.

Clinton Recession: 'Bill' Comes Due for 8 Years of Corruption

 

Charles R. Smith

Wednesday, March 21, 2001

 

Despite the media effort to pin the 2001 recession on President Bush, the fact remains that he had little to do with the last eight years of economic policy from the White House. The infamous miracle bubble of Bill Clinton's economy burst last summer when OPEC oil price increases rocked the world economy.

 

In February 1999, Energy Secretary Bill Richardson visited Saudi Arabia when prices were at their lowest. Richardson reportedly pressed Saudi Oil Minister Ali Naimi on the "oversupplied market" and expressed concern about "extreme price volatility."

 

Former Saudi minister Sheik Ahmed Zaki Yamani told a Houston oil conference that Richardson had "saved the oil industry" during that visit because his "intervention" had "persuaded" the Saudis to change policy by raising prices.

 

After Richardson's visit, Petroleum Intelligence Weekly, an industry newsletter, quoted Saudi officials as wanting "a price of $18 to $20 as soon as possible."

 

In 1999, then-President Clinton pressed OPEC to raise prices in order to finance the brutal Russian war in Chechnya. Clinton needed Russia's help settling that pesky little war in Kosovo. However, Bill was unable to aid Boris Yeltsin directly because of the rampant corruption inside Moscow.

 

Clinton quietly used OPEC oil diplomacy to supply Russia increased energy profits. The influx of cash into Moscow was mainly obtained through Iraqi oil sold by the U.N. and distributed through Russian suppliers. The cash paid for the Russian war and a new round of rampant corruption, centered on the former Soviet GAZPROM state oil company.

 

However, there were also unexpected results. The oil sales helped Saddam Hussein re-arm his military with a brand new Chinese-built air defense system. The move is also now seen as a major blunder that triggered the 2001 recession.

 

Anti-Energy Movement

 

In the 1990s, OPEC wanted to re-establish monopoly control by flooding the market with cheap oil. In 1973 OPEC cut off all oil to the West during the October war. The result was a sudden influx of investment in domestic and alternative production that peaked just before Clinton took office in 1992.

 

Clinton cooperated with OPEC by destroying domestic production. Clinton's main weapon was a war of propaganda waged by Al Gore. Gore led the attack on the U.S. energy industry using "green" policies of radical environmentalism. Despite the many variables in domestic energy, there is a basic flaw in the anti-energy argument. It is far more "environmentally friendly" to pump oil from static fields here in the U.S. than it is to import foreign oil in fragile ocean-going tankers.

 

OPEC in 2001 just squeezes harder, having learned never to let the U.S. go cold turkey again. The Clinton economy was built on artificially low cost foreign energy that has suddenly become very expensive. The United States is now more dependent on foreign energy than ever before.

 

Blackouts on the West Coast, skyrocketing gas and oil prices and an unstable stock market all add up to a recession in progress. There are no fast answers for eight years of declining domestic oil production and climbing oil consumption.

 

Chinese Army Inc. . Just as there is no quick fix for the energy crunch there is also no easy solution to the trade crash. During the 1990s, Clinton also sponsored a so-called trade boom with China that actually busted America. Hundreds of billions of dollars flowed out of America in the largest single trade deficit in history.

 

Today, firms backed by the People's Liberation Army dominate consumer markets in America. American workers, unable to compete against the slave labor amassed by the PLA, are losing manufacturing jobs to China at a rate never before seen. Chinese army firms compete unfairly against U.S. companies inside America for financing on the stock market, and even for U.S. government-backed loans.

 

For example, documents from the files of Chinagate figure John Huang show that $200 million in World Bank loans for a Chinese "Technology Development Project" actually went to weapons research labs and businesses wholly owned by the Chinese army. Huang later cited his Fifth Amendment rights more than two thousand times when asked under oath if he had ties to Chinese intelligence.

 

The funded projects included:

 

# $5 million to Northwest Institute for Nonferrous Metal Research for "rare earth materials" used in "chemical, aviation," and "nuclear power stations." Northwest Institute for Nonferrous Metal Research is part of China National Nuclear Corp., maker of nuclear weapons for the Chinese army.

 

# More than $5 million to Harbin Research Institute for "welded steel products" used in "aviation" and "ship building." Harbin was identified by the Department of Defense as a Chinese army front used to buy JET engines for the PLA in 1996.

 

# More than $4 million to the Marine Design & Research Institute of China for "ship design software and services." The Marine Design & Research Institute is part of the China National Ship Building Corp. and the primary design facility for Chinese warships, including nuclear-powered submarines.

 

# More than $4 million to Nanjing Radio Factory for "audio/visual" products used in "T.V.s, satellite equip., radios, CD players, etc." Nanjing Radio Factory produces electronics for the PLA, including satellite equipment, and secure military radios.

 

# $3 million to Xi'an Jiatong University for "fluid machinery" research used in "turbo-compressors". Xi'an Jiatong University was identified by the Dept. of Defense as a major research center for Chinese Army chemical and biological weapons.

 

# More than $5 million to "China Textile Academy" for "productivity enhancement." China Textile Academy produces camouflage uniforms for the Chinese army and for export to other armed forces.

 

Legacy of the Black Beret

 

Chinese army companies can now bid on U.S. government contracts. U.S. firms could not match a Chinese low bid for a U.S. Army contract to manufacture black berets. The black beret, made famous in World War II by the U.S. Army Rangers, was a symbol of pride for an elite force. The new fashion statement by the U.S. Army is intended to improve morale in the ranks.

 

According to published press accounts, a Chinese firm won part of the U.S. government contract, and many of the new Army hats are made outside the United States.

 

The new headgear is an embarrassing reminder of the stained Clinton legacy. The Pentagon is determined to distribute what has become known as the "Monica" to every single soldier.

 

The recent parade of liberal media pundits that now call the 2001 recession the "Bush" economy are missing the mark by a few trillion dollars. The left is attacking President Bush for the legacy of Bill Clinton. The eight-year ride of "corruption, collusion, and nepotism" is over, and the "Bill" is now due.

"John Kerry is fond of calling our recent economic troubles "the Bush recession." Anyone who was working in 2000 knows that economic weakness started that year (remember what the stock market did April 14, 2000?) and of course 9/11 made the recession worse than it otherwise would have been. Whether the recession is officially dated back to Nov. 2000 or March 2001, the trends was established earlier in 2000 and... does it really matter? Can anyone name a Bush policy that contributed to the recession?"

 

So with Clinton we got a recession, treason, didnt kill Ossama when he had many chances, less military spending, stupid laws passed with our intelligence community, NSA,FBA,CIA funds cut, lied to the nation, Ignored Al Qaeda....yeah great president:rolleyes:

i could name just as many accurate accusations(and innacurate ones as well) about ANY asministration. Lets start with the one at hand shall we??

 

With Bush we got a sky high surplus reduced to a rock bottom deficite, Let Osama slip away when he had him, passed retarted laws bent on spying on the nation in the name of terrorism, plays with the terror alert for personal gain, invaded a country with no truthful reason, lied to the nation about the reasons for going to war, letting young men get killed because hes too much of a whimp to admit it, ALSO IGNORED AL QUEDA, let the Katrina victims squabble helplessly for days without relief, Lets laws pass that basically ALLOW the torturing of captives, ignores the Geneva convention, does not send our troops into a warzone with proper equipment or allies, allowed members of the Bin Laden family to LEAVE THE COUNTRY after 9/11, Cut FBI funds for counter terrorism by two thirds after 9/11, talk about letting stupid laws pass-he lifted the automatic weapons ban (what are you gonna do with an AK-47 go driveby a quail???)let Afghanistan slip back into a warzone and now a major producer of opium, left an unstable afghanistan and a war on terrorism to invade Iraq, Giving tax cuts to the top 1% of the nation (everyone got them but over 70% of the relief fell upon the rich), under-funded the "miracle" "no child left behind", Under-funding the Title I program, specifically targeted for disadvantaged kids, by $7.2 billion, deliberately ignores separation of church and state and moves to outlaw gay marriage simply because his belief says it is wrong .............and the whopper, By invading Iraq he destroyed the only thing stopping Iran from becoming a global problem, now that a Shiite leader is in charge of Iraq, he allows the "police force" to act as death squads against Sunni militias, he is now having talks with Iran negotiating an alliance!

 

 

 

Shall i continue?? and you claim CLINTON was WORSE than bush because he had an affair "caused a recession" (which we all know is not true if you look at the facts) and because he cut some military funding???(Bush has done that as well on countless occaisions.

 

i can HARDLY see the resemblance between the two, much less how Clinton was worse

This isnt about Bush's mess ups, i already said he did a bad job....but im willing to admit when both sides do a bad job, you are not capable of that. Thats what annoys me about dems you bring up something bad about them and they go straight to bush attacking, were not even talking about bushy boy!

No you were claiming Bush was worse than Clinton, you simply cant admit that Clinton has done better than many republican administrations.

I cant admit that because it is untrue. I wont just sit here and lie. Clinton was far worse then Bush

Clinton worse then Bush???

 

Whose put the country trillions into debt??

Who did nothing about al qeada, cut defence spending and funding to the CIA, FBI and NSA and then on top of that put us into a recession? Clinton. he's worse but not by much.

Bush is by far worse in terms of money wasted, freedoms taken, lies told........so yes Bush is a far worse president.

 

However GW Bush is just a puppet. It's his administration who are the "brains" bhind his regime.

 

Clinton was actually a certified genius but still he was allow the US to infiltrate and stage terror.

I do admit Clinton could have been tougher on terrorism, but for every reason you have listed about clinton, Bush has countered it with something hes done wrong 10 fold. There is no possible way, any shape or form, Clinton was worse than Bush. Theres no way, and the country agrees with me

Bush is by far worse in terms of money wasted, freedoms taken, lies told........so yes Bush is a far worse president.

 

However GW Bush is just a puppet. It's his administration who are the "brains" bhind his regime.

 

Clinton was actually a certified genius but still he was allow the US to infiltrate and stage terror.

 

 

Money wasted, hands down bush is the worst. He has wasted so much money and on top of that he calls himself a conservative:rolleyes:

 

Lies told and freedoms lost, well lets just say Billy boy was worse.

Lies told and freedoms lost' date=' well lets just say Billy boy was worse.[/quote']

 

Well, no.....I actually can't be worse.

 

The Patriot acts 1 and 2 are eating your consitution from under your very noses.

 

And again....It's not actually Bush, I mean he says the words (most times he says words anyway) but it's more like that under his administration things are accelerating......where you have Cheney, Rumsfeld, Gonzales, Chertoff and more.....plus the dicks at the CFR pushing forward some sort of nazi Germany agenda.

yeah, not a Nazi Germany agenda.

I thought this thread was about Kerry???

Well, it kinda is if you read their documents and see the way the police are beginning to treat people..

 

Obviously when someone says Nazi Germany is brings up sorts of images but on a serious note....they are pushing for a society which mirrors many of the same properties, in terms of curbing the peoples rights and using major propaganda tactics to gain support for terrible ideas.

well thats what I was gearing towards lol I get thru a few posts.... and then its Clinton this and Clinton that.... by you know who.. lol then back to topic... then back to Nazi chatter.. Clinton.. yadda yadda yadda.. lol

 

I had to stop reading.. :lol:

Ok, back on topic......sorry.

:P