Don't bring this back up again.

 

The thing here is that Mark can't seem to ignore Nathan's posts, and Nathan can't seem to ignore Marks. That's what started the whole thing between them. Mark was quick to point out where he thought Nathan's posts were bad

 

It had nothing to do with whether I thought his posts were "good" or "bad". I felt he was being a bit of a bully to other members, which was uncalled for in my opinion.

 

I don't like this stuff about how I'm supposedly just standing up for my friend.

 

Whatever you say, you can't be truly objective, because he is.

 

I just happen to agree with Nathan's notion that Mark tells jokes and they have no point to me.

 

There are lots of threads and posts that don't have any point to me, but I either avoid them or ignore them.

 

He's been claiming that Nathan's been getting people to gang up on him, when it's not true at all.

 

I never said that, and I'm furious at the suggestion. If you can find any post where I stated that, let me know. Otherwise, you should take it back.

Nathan has nothing to do with any gangs as far as I know. He seems to operate alone.

 

 

He claimed that Nathan's part of a group, when he keeps mentioning his award and how many "fans" he has.

 

I only use that in response to negative comments about me, in order to redress the balance. And anyway, you should know by now not to take comments like that seriously.

 

 

Aside from Mark's contradictions, his friends are just as bad.

 

Which "friends"? I don't know either of them, and hadn't really spoken to either of them much before this happened.

 

Simon just wants to apologise for everything, and expects everyone to do the same. When Nathan doesn't feel he's done anything wrong, he's not going to apologise. That's the problem you're bringing on yourself, Simon. By apologising just to get it over with, you're showing yourself as a weak person who'll say he's done something wrong even when he doesn't believe he has. You'd gather a lot more respect for yourself by not giving up like that.

 

Johnny... I'm not sure what to think about you. It's unfortunate to see that you're one minute claiming everyone should stop fighting and that Nathan's wrong for insulting you, before you do it again. Then when your reasoning for that is "if everyone else is doing it, why should I just sit there and be an angel?!" it's just like... you're destroying your point. If you're going to claim to be the peacemaker and bigger man, at least stick to it. You're really not doing yourself any favours and it gives your percepted level of maturity a big hit, too.

 

I found a lot of this stuff completely unnecessary and pointless myself, as it was never going to achieve anything.

 

 

Anyways that's just my opinion. And I don't think I've been abusive in any way in this post. Mark said to me a few days ago that I'm no saint, but aside from Mark, Johnny and Simon, how many people have had any problems with the way I talk to people on this site?

 

You can't go around making comments about Johnny, Simon, me, or anyone else and then expect everyone to think you're "whiter than white". You're no better or worse than anyone else.

Don't bring this back up again.

 

I have merely responded to one or two comments made concerning me, nothing more. There was no reason for Jack to write what he said, in my opinion, as everything was over, and had been for some time as far as I'm concerned.

Oh here we go :rolleyes:

Yep.

Yeah but I've only ever used the Ignore feature once. MAFE I think it was. And it wasn't cause we'd had an arguement, it was just cause she wrote things in a way my eyes couldn't stand reading.

 

The problem is curiosity. If they both put eachother on ignore, they'd end up checking every post just on the off chance they'd spoke about eachother.

 

Well as I've said before in this very thread, if you don't like my threads or posts, put me on "ignore" and the problem is solved. I would much rather you did that than go around dissing me unnecessarily all the time.

Same goes for anyone else.

My point is that, whatever you think, there are more than enough people who appreciate my contributions, so it doesn't bother me in the slightest whether you interact with me or not.

I'm always more than happy to interact with anyone if they're willing to treat me with due courtesy. Nathan included.

This should hopefully bring everything to a close once and for all.

Fair enough

By the way, shouldn't the name of this thread now be changed to "The Thread That HAD The Fight It"?:P

Well as I've said before in this very thread, if you don't like my threads or posts, put me on "ignore" and the problem is solved. I would much rather you did that than go around dissing me unnecessarily all the time.

Same goes for anyone else.

My point is that, whatever you think, there are more than enough people who appreciate my contributions, so it doesn't bother me in the slightest whether you interact with me or not.

I'm always more than happy to interact with anyone if they're willing to treat me with due courtesy. Nathan included.

This should hopefully bring everything to a close once and for all.

 

 

But, do I do that? Do I go around and diss you unnecessarily? I have in this thread and others but I said in my longer post that I usually just ignore your posts. You should know from the past years we've been on this forum, I haven't brought up any massive problems with you until now, have I?

 

I even said in my post yesterday that I can understand why some people like your posts. It just happens that I think that your humour is absolutely awful and reading some of your jokes is like diving face first into a pool of crushed glass.

 

 

 

As for Nathan's bullying... if that's bullying... then some people need to really grow up. Because all Nathan does is gives his point of view, and calls someone an idiot for saying something stupid. If someone's going to be mentally wounded because of his comments then they're probably too mentally fragile to be on the internet. Everyone should know by now that it's nothing personal with his comments, he says them to everyone, even me. It's just what he does and to me, and an increasing number of people, it's very entertaining.

But please note Jen said everyone, and that includes you and Ren.;)

 

I know that Lore and Ren are aware of that, and I'm sure they didn't need you to point it out.

 

Whatever you may think of them as people, please give them the respect they deserve as mods.

But, do I do that? Do I go around and diss you unnecessarily? I have in this thread and others but I said in my longer post that I usually just ignore your posts. You should know from the past years we've been on this forum, I haven't brought up any massive problems with you until now, have I?

 

I've never had a massive problem with you. Most of the time I find you very reasonable and respectful.

 

I even said in my post yesterday that I can understand why some people like your posts. It just happens that I think that your humour is absolutely awful and reading some of your jokes is like diving face first into a pool of crushed glass.

 

Well I think whatever you think, it's completely unnecessary to make derogatory, sweeping statements like that in public, and is only likely to result in conflict.

 

 

As for Nathan's bullying... if that's bullying... then some people need to really grow up. Because all Nathan does is gives his point of view, and calls someone an idiot for saying something stupid. If someone's going to be mentally wounded because of his comments then they're probably too mentally fragile to be on the internet. Everyone should know by now that it's nothing personal with his comments, he says them to everyone, even me. It's just what he does and to me, and an increasing number of people, it's very entertaining.

 

Whether you care or not doesn't matter, because you're obviously used to him and his ways.

Complete strangers don't know him and are more than likely to take things the wrong way, especially if someone is perceived as having a vindictive streak even if that isn't true.

Anyway, as I've stated on countless occasions now, if these offended parties put him on "ignore", the problem is solved.

I still reckon it was out of order for Nathan (and a couple of others) to take the p*ss out of Simon's lack of height.

If he's got people in the "real world" making fun of him every day because of this, it's bound to upset him IMO.

As for Nathan's bullying... if that's bullying... then some people need to really grow up. Because all Nathan does is gives his point of view, and calls someone an idiot for saying something stupid. If someone's going to be mentally wounded because of his comments then they're probably too mentally fragile to be on the internet. Everyone should know by now that it's nothing personal with his comments, he says them to everyone, even me. It's just what he does and to me, and an increasing number of people, it's very entertaining.

 

 

Bullying is a very emotive subject, and what one person considers to be bullying another may not. Its very difficult on the internet because you say something which reads one way to you, but the other person reading it understands it a completely different way.

 

Yes, everyone is entitled to their opinion, but I think with that comes a responsibility to think about how you express that opinion.

 

Taking my admin hat off, and putting my Jen hat on for the moment. I don't find it entertaining, particularly when the post contains an insult and nothing else. If there is a constructive point in the post, it softens the insult.

Purely for illustrative purposes. If I think you're a knobhead, am I really entitled to tell you that or would it be better to tell you the reasons why I disagree with your opinion. Its easy to call someone a knobhead, its much harder to debate the actual issue wish leads me to believe that.

 

 

Complete strangers don't know him and are more than likely to take things the wrong way, especially if someone is perceived as having a vindictive streak even if that isn't true.

Anyway, as I've stated on countless occasions now, if these offended parties put him on "ignore", the problem is solved.

I still reckon it was out of order for Nathan (and a couple of others) to take the p*ss out of Simon's lack of height.

If he's got people in the "real world" making fun of him every day because of this, it's bound to upset him IMO.

 

 

I don't always agree with your comments, but thats a pretty accurate summary.

I know that Lore and Ren are aware of that, and I'm sure they didn't need you to point it out.

 

Whatever you may think of them as people, please give them the respect they deserve as mods.

 

I will give them respect as mods if I feel they are acting in a way that befits their positions, as all the other mods do (in my opinion).

I don't think mods should be getting involved in (or fuelling) squabbles/arguments on here (no matter what their personal views might be of any members) as they should be setting a good example in my opinion.

They have made it quite clear on a number of occasions what they think of me, and I think any such comments should remain in private, and should have no bearing on any policing of the board.

I hinted at this in my comment on page 14.

http://www.coldplaying.com/forum/showthread.php?t=52196&page=14

I don't have any problem whatsoever with David (who I think does a fantastic job on here), Jo or Michelle, who are all fair and impartial.

I don't even have any gripe with Julia, who hasn't said anything negative about me in a long while.

You should ask yourself why I don't actually have any conflict with any mods apart from Ren and Lore.

Ren and Lore's attitude towards me came through loud and clear during this latest "spat" (if you want to call it that).

They were also instrumental in setting up a group about me which serves no purpose except to antagonise. I don't believe the forming of any "hate" group like that should be allowed, and the fact it was started by a mod (Ren) is deplorable in my opinion. I still feel it should be removed.

It would be a bit like me forming a group called "If you think Ren and Lore are bad mods, this is the group for you", which of course would be removed immediately.;)

They should be defusing such situations if they get out of hand, that's all.

If they want to participate in squabbles, then fine - but they shouldn't remain as mods.

Although nobody was blameless in this squabble, I'm sure it would have fizzled out far earlier if they hadn't got involved.

Bullying is a very emotive subject, and what one person considers to be bullying another may not. Its very difficult on the internet because you say something which reads one way to you, but the other person reading it understands it a completely different way.

 

Yes, everyone is entitled to their opinion, but I think with that comes a responsibility to think about how you express that opinion.

 

And that's why I respectfully request that offending group that was set up be removed, as I regard it as a form of "mobbing".

 

 

I don't always agree with your comments, but thats a pretty accurate summary.

 

That's why I have respect for you, as you're fair and impartial. That's how it should be.;)

(Incidentally, usually when I say something like this about you or Ian, either Ren or Lore accuses me of "brown-nosing", which isn't true at all.;)

Incidentally, Johnny shouldn't have called Ren a "dick", as that was unnecessary and disrespectful

Just because they're moderators, doesn't mean they're not allowed to have their opinion. You're a well respected and looked up to person in this community, too, Mark, yet you're still part of this arguement. You have 40000 posts and post in a LOT of threads, with your trademark jokes, so you're probably regarded by most of the newbies that come here as an important "role model" type person here. Not saying you should be, but it's probably the way it comes across to people who join here.

 

 

 

As for Nathan's "bullying", Jen, I see what you're saying but short jokes are something you learn to put up with if you're short. I'm really tall, and I've had kids in year 7, when I was in 6th form walking past saying "WOAH HE LOOKS LIKE PETER CROUCH!". I don't really care now, but at the time it was a bit annoying. A bunch of people like Simon here, but there'll always be someone who doesn't, and someone who makes fun of him. The fact is, Simon will have made fun of someone else at some point in his life, and he will again. Same for Mark, me, Nathan, Lore, Ren, Johnny (if he's even anyone...).

 

The thing with Nathan is, a bunch of people on here and other forums we've been on have spoken to him off the forum and found he's a completely different person. I know more than most cause he's basically my best mate. He's posted videos of himself and voice clips and everything, where he basically made fun of the "reputation" he has here. He's told people more than once not to take his insults seriously. Yet people still do?

 

 

It's beyond me. I've enjoyed this arguement though, it's nice seeing actual blunt opinions on this forum. I remember a few years ago when it was actual discussion, and I've said a bunch of times that I didn't think the Lounge was as good now because so many people are scared to say things because of how people will react to them. It takes a lot away from a lot of threads that could have been VERY interesting to talk in. Cause at the end of the day, I know Mark's gonna go to sleep at... well whenever he sleeps... and not worry about this forum, Lore and Ren are gonna do the same, probably dreaming of Radiohead or something, and Nathan will go back to his cage and eat some young children, and I'll go to sleep and do the same.

 

 

I love the reputation Nathan's built, though... In all honesty, this forum's not been this fun since Reilly was still here.

I will give them respect as mods if I feel they are acting in a way that befits their positions, as all the other mods do (in my opinion).

 

I don't think mods should be getting involved in (or fuelling) squabbles/arguments on here (no matter what their personal views might be of any members) as they should be setting a good example in my opinion.

They have made it quite clear on a number of occasions what they think of me, and I think any such comments should remain in private, and should have no bearing on any policing of the board.

 

 

At the end of the day, they do have a position as mods, given to them by Ian. Whether you agree they should be mods or not, I do still think they should be treated with the degree of respect being a mod involves. Whether or not you think they're doing the job properly isn't open for public debate. If you have issues about any of the mods, then there are admins to handle that.

 

Think of it this way. If you were at work and you disagreed with the way a supervisor handled their responsibility, you would not expect to be able to deal with that yourself. Their manager is responsible for handling the situation. You would not expect to know what conversations happened between the manager & the supervisor.

 

From what I have read, its a mutual thing. Yes, they should behave as we expect a mod to behave, but they are also human and occasionally will respond to provocation. If there are enough veiled comments posted around the forums, then it begins to get very wearing and at some point the cracks will appear. If they shouldn't be responding to the provocation then thats for the admins to handle.

 

As I've said before, I don't think any party can claim to be entirely innocent in this. The only reason I am discussing this in the open is because I think the whole argument thread has been detrimental to the Coldplaying community. We need everyone to deal with the mods with respect. If a few people are seen to disrespect the mods, the feeling can spread. On the other side of that coin, if any mods are seen to be unfair then the whole lot can be tarred with the same brush.

 

And I personally feel (not as an admin), that as Ian has chosen & supports those mods, if you disrespect them, you are disrespecting him. And as his wife, I get very annoyed when that happens.

 

If you want to discuss this any more, please PM me. I'd rather the whole argument be forgotten from here, and don't think further public discussion will help with that aim.

 

 

They were also instrumental in setting up a group about me which serves no purpose except to antagonise. I don't believe the forming of any "hate" group like that should be allowed, and the fact it was started by a mod (Ren) is deplorable in my opinion. I still feel it should be removed.

 

Which group is this? I've not heard of it. Please PM me with the info.

 

 

Although nobody was blameless in this squabble, I'm sure it would have fizzled out far earlier if they hadn't got involved.

 

I'm not sure that I agree with that statement. From what I've read, I don't think they were the catalyst in this argument. There have been a few ongoing separate frictions round the board, which all seem to have melded together and created the big bang.

Just because they're moderators, doesn't mean they're not allowed to have their opinion.

 

Opinions are one thing, deliberately trying to annoy someone is another.;)

Anyway, at the end of the day, only Ian's opinion matters on this subject.;)

 

You're a well respected and looked up to person in this community, too, Mark, yet you're still part of this arguement. You have 40000 posts and post in a LOT of threads, with your trademark jokes, so you're probably regarded by most of the newbies that come here as an important "role model" type person here. Not saying you should be, but it's probably the way it comes across to people who join here.

 

That's complete bullsh*t. I'm no different to any other member on here, and have never professed to be anything other. I'm not out to be any more or less respected than anyone else, and neither is there any reason for me to need to.

 

 

 

As for Nathan's "bullying", Jen, I see what you're saying but short jokes are something you learn to put up with if you're short. I'm really tall, and I've had kids in year 7, when I was in 6th form walking past saying "WOAH HE LOOKS LIKE PETER CROUCH!". I don't really care now, but at the time it was a bit annoying. A bunch of people like Simon here, but there'll always be someone who doesn't, and someone who makes fun of him. The fact is, Simon will have made fun of someone else at some point in his life, and he will again. Same for Mark, me, Nathan, Lore, Ren, Johnny (if he's even anyone...).

 

You missed the point. If Simon takes offence, then it's a problem. You can't compare him to anyone else in this situation. If I made a rude comment about your height (which I wouldn't), you wouldn't care - but Simon does, and that's the end of it.;)

 

The thing with Nathan is, a bunch of people on here and other forums we've been on have spoken to him off the forum and found he's a completely different person. I know more than most cause he's basically my best mate. He's posted videos of himself and voice clips and everything, where he basically made fun of the "reputation" he has here. He's told people more than once not to take his insults seriously. Yet people still do?

 

Well I still don't see why he needs to go around insulting people like that, whether it's just for his amusement or not. It seems a very negative way of going about things to me.

 

 

It's beyond me. I've enjoyed this arguement though, it's nice seeing actual blunt opinions on this forum. I remember a few years ago when it was actual discussion, and I've said a bunch of times that I didn't think the Lounge was as good now because so many people are scared to say things because of how people will react to them. It takes a lot away from a lot of threads that could have been VERY interesting to talk in. Cause at the end of the day, I know Mark's gonna go to sleep at... well whenever he sleeps... and not worry about this forum, Lore and Ren are gonna do the same, probably dreaming of Radiohead or something, and Nathan will go back to his cage and eat some young children, and I'll go to sleep and do the same.

 

Well I personally prefer having fun and positive discussions. I can live quite happily without conflict, thank you very much.

 

 

I love the reputation Nathan's built, though... In all honesty, this forum's not been this fun since Reilly was still here.

 

Well I think the opposite. One of the reasons I didn't like Reilly was because he always seemed to be trying to wind everyone up, much as Nathan's been doing.

I feel the board has been a much happier, more cohesive place since he disappeared. But you're entitled to your opinion, of course.;)

Cause at the end of the day, I know Mark's gonna go to sleep at... well whenever he sleeps... and not worry about this forum, Lore and Ren are gonna do the same, probably dreaming of Radiohead or something, and Nathan will go back to his cage and eat some young children, and I'll go to sleep and do the same.

 

Great so you all get to go to sleep, and I get to spend hours with the whole thing roaming round my head keeping me awake. :angry: The joys of being neutral and an admin :P

 

I don't like sitting on the fence, but it seems to be the place I always end up. And I hate logging into the forum wondering what the hell I'm gonna find next.

 

So with that in mind, I'm now off to kill some orcs

ahhh I loves a bit o drama!

At the end of the day, they do have a position as mods, given to them by Ian. Whether you agree they should be mods or not, I do still think they should be treated with the degree of respect being a mod involves. Whether or not you think they're doing the job properly isn't open for public debate. If you have issues about any of the mods, then there are admins to handle that.

 

Which is why I generally take up such issues with Ian, and will continue to do so as and when.;)

 

 

 

From what I have read, its a mutual thing. Yes, they should behave as we expect a mod to behave, but they are also human and occasionally will respond to provocation. If there are enough veiled comments posted around the forums, then it begins to get very wearing and at some point the cracks will appear. If they shouldn't be responding to the provocation then thats for the admins to handle.

As I've said before, I don't think any party can claim to be entirely innocent in this. The only reason I am discussing this in the open is because I think the whole argument thread has been detrimental to the Coldplaying community. We need everyone to deal with the mods with respect. If a few people are seen to disrespect the mods, the feeling can spread. On the other side of that coin, if any mods are seen to be unfair then the whole lot can be tarred with the same brush.

And I personally feel (not as an admin), that as Ian has chosen & supports those mods, if you disrespect them, you are disrespecting him. And as his wife, I get very annoyed when that happens.

 

I accept that, but I feel I have a legitimate gripe about Ren and Lore. This has been going on for a long time, and would seem to be mostly to do with the fact I didn't like Reilly and had the "audacity" to say so.

 

If you want to discuss this any more, please PM me. I'd rather the whole argument be forgotten from here, and don't think further public discussion will help with that aim.

 

OK. I wouldn't have posted in this thread again unless Jack had done so.

I felt it necessary to respond to some of his points as they involved me.;)

 

 

Which group is this? I've not heard of it. Please PM me with the info.

 

I shall do so.

 

 

I'm not sure that I agree with that statement. From what I've read, I don't think they were the catalyst in this argument. There have been a few ongoing separate frictions round the board, which all seem to have melded together and created the big bang.

 

Most of this has nothing whatsoever to do with Nathan, believe me.

He doesn't actually bother me that much. believe it or not. I know what his game is, and will be ignoring him in future unless he wants to be civil.

ahhh I loves a bit o drama!

 

I'm afraid the party's over!!:P

Seriously, can someone make me a resume of what happened?

Seriously, can someone make me a resume of what happened?

 

No, because whoever compiles it, it's likely to be biased.;)

I see i see... Well, it has Nathan in it, so i kinda understand :dozey:

Anyways, be happy folks.