1. We hate success. In fact, we utterly loathe it. In America, you adore it, you aspire to be it, but in the UK we utterly loathe it... we like down to earth people, who haven't two farthing to rub together, etc.

 

I personally think Coldplay haven't forgotten their roots and are fairly level-headed as rock stars go, but most people's prejudice can't see that....

 

2. The are middle class. They are the "wrong" class for a rock band. In the UK, not only are we anti- success, we are also anti-middle class. In the US, there is no such presumption about anyone based upon the way they talk or which part of the US they are from. You may get teased you are "Blond and barefoot" if you come from Minnesnowta, or a "surfer dude" if you are from California, but it's an ice-breaker at parties rather than a barrier to friendship or any form of prejudice ....

 

(I'm beginning to see why Coldplay spend so much of their time in the US and all have houses there now :rolleyes:)

 

There's an unwritten rule in Britian, that those who claim to "shape" opinion, ie. rock journalists seem to think all our rock stars should only be taken seriously if they are working class.

 

3. They were public-school educated. Shock horror, not only have they committed cardinal sins 1) and 2) they dared to have had good educations. As Chris said so wittily on the South Bank show: "My father was at a dinner and this guy asked him: ' what do your sons do for a living?' 'Well, one's a banker; the other an international rock star'. 'Really?' he replied, 'which bank'. That illustrates the sort of background I'm from - that I would waste my education on being a rock star."

 

It also illustrates how we think in the UK: that your background and education should solely determine your future, pidgeon-hole fashion., rather than merit.

 

The US on the otherhand is mostly a meritocracy. Obstacles to being poor preventing an intelligent person succeeding in life aside, by and large you can be whatever you want to be irrespective of your background...

 

..I really am seeing why they love the US?

 

4. Jealousy. Based on 1) and prejudiced by 2) and 3) people hate Coldplay because:

 

a. they're a rock journalist (a cesspool for the never-made it) bands or (I was f**ing great just never had the luck Coldplay had in being discovered). Their dillusion transposes to jealousy for Coldplay in abundance.

 

b. even those not in the rock industry hate the band, because they hate the drudgery of their own lives and of being told what to do daily by someone they don't respect (i.e. their boss), an aspect Coldplay don't have.

 

When I see Coldplay perform I see four friends having a fantastic time, how many people can see that their own lives are like that?

 

5. They got success very, very quickly. They came from zero to hero overnight. They only played small venues whilst at Uni. Before they even graduated, they had their record deal signed and their first album was huge success. They didn't spend years of playing in toilets to be discovered....

 

Discuss...

You shouldn't generalise.;)

1. We hate success. In fact, we utterly loathe it. In America, you adore it, you aspire to be it, but in the UK we utterly loathe it... we like down to earth people, who haven't two farthing to rub together, etc.

 

I personally think Coldplay haven't forgotten their roots and are fairly level-headed as rock stars go, but most people's prejudice can't see that....

 

2. The are middle class. They are the "wrong" class for a rock band. In the UK, not only are we anti- success, we are also anti-middle class. In the US, there is no such presumption about anyone based upon the way they talk or which part of the US they are from. You may get teased you are "Blond and barefoot" if you come from Minnesnowta, or a "surfer dude" if you are from California, but it's an ice-breaker at parties rather than a barrier to friendship or any form of prejudice ....

 

(I'm beginning to see why Coldplay spend so much of their time in the US and all have houses there now :rolleyes:)

 

There's an unwritten rule in Britian, that those who claim to "shape" opinion, ie. rock journalists seem to think all our rock stars should only be taken seriously if they are working class.

 

3. They were public-school educated. Shock horror, not only have they committed cardinal sins 1) and 2) they dared to have had good educations. As Chris said so wittily on the South Bank show: "My father was at a dinner and this guy asked him: ' what do your sons do for a living?' 'Well, one's a banker; the other an international rock star'. 'Really?' he replied, 'which bank'. That illustrates the sort of background I'm from - that I would waste my education on being a rock star."

 

It also illustrates how we think in the UK: that your background and education should solely determine your future, pidgeon-hole fashion., rather than merit.

 

The US on the otherhand is mostly a meritocracy. Obstacles to being poor preventing an intelligent person succeeding in life aside, by and large you can be whatever you want to be irrespective of your background...

 

..I really am seeing why they love the US?

 

4. Jealousy. Based on 1) and prejudiced by 2) and 3) people hate Coldplay because:

 

a. they're a rock journalist (a cesspool for the never-made it) bands or (I was f**ing great just never had the luck Coldplay had in being discovered). Their dillusion transposes to jealousy for Coldplay in abundance.

 

b. even those not in the rock industry hate the band, because they hate the drudgery of their own lives and of being told what to do daily by someone they don't respect (i.e. their boss), an aspect Coldplay don't have.

 

When I see Coldplay perform I see four friends having a fantastic time, how many people can see that their own lives are like that?

 

5. They got success very, very quickly. They came from zero to hero overnight. They only played small venues whilst at Uni. Before they even graduated, they had their record deal signed and their first album was huge success. They didn't spend years of playing in toilets to be discovered....

 

Discuss...

 

Orly?

You shouldn't generalise.;)

 

LOL, Coldplay fans excepted :)

Orly?

 

So what do you think motivates the negativity surrounding Coldplay that (seems) unique to the UK?

 

Read the post of their Manchester gig which bore no relation to the VLV tour at all,

 

 

(or their snub @ the Brits). etc etc

1. We hate success. In fact, we utterly loathe it. In America, you adore it, you aspire to be it, but in the UK we utterly loathe it... we like down to earth people, who haven't two farthing to rub together, etc.

 

I personally think Coldplay haven't forgotten their roots and are fairly level-headed as rock stars go, but most people's prejudice can't see that....

 

2. The are middle class. They are the "wrong" class for a rock band. In the UK, not only are we anti- success, we are also anti-middle class. In the US, there is no such presumption about anyone based upon the way they talk or which part of the US they are from. You may get teased you are "Blond and barefoot" if you come from Minnesnowta, or a "surfer dude" if you are from California, but it's an ice-breaker at parties rather than a barrier to friendship or any form of prejudice ....

 

(I'm beginning to see why Coldplay spend so much of their time in the US and all have houses there now :rolleyes:)

 

There's an unwritten rule in Britian, that those who claim to "shape" opinion, ie. rock journalists seem to think all our rock stars should only be taken seriously if they are working class.

 

3. They were public-school educated. Shock horror, not only have they committed cardinal sins 1) and 2) they dared to have had good educations. As Chris said so wittily on the South Bank show: "My father was at a dinner and this guy asked him: ' what do your sons do for a living?' 'Well, one's a banker; the other an international rock star'. 'Really?' he replied, 'which bank'. That illustrates the sort of background I'm from - that I would waste my education on being a rock star."

 

It also illustrates how we think in the UK: that your background and education should solely determine your future, pidgeon-hole fashion., rather than merit.

 

The US on the otherhand is mostly a meritocracy. Obstacles to being poor preventing an intelligent person succeeding in life aside, by and large you can be whatever you want to be irrespective of your background...

 

..I really am seeing why they love the US?

 

4. Jealousy. Based on 1) and prejudiced by 2) and 3) people hate Coldplay because:

 

a. they're a rock journalist (a cesspool for the never-made it) bands or (I was f**ing great just never had the luck Coldplay had in being discovered). Their dillusion transposes to jealousy for Coldplay in abundance.

 

b. even those not in the rock industry hate the band, because they hate the drudgery of their own lives and of being told what to do daily by someone they don't respect (i.e. their boss), an aspect Coldplay don't have.

 

When I see Coldplay perform I see four friends having a fantastic time, how many people can see that their own lives are like that?

 

5. They got success very, very quickly. They came from zero to hero overnight. They only played small venues whilst at Uni. Before they even graduated, they had their record deal signed and their first album was huge success. They didn't spend years of playing in toilets to be discovered....

 

Discuss...

 

This is just wrong.

Don't worry that is not exclusive to Coldplay...British newspaper loves building somebody up just to knock them down later.

I mean look at the whole Take That/Robbie Williams...for years Rob was the newspapers darling and they didn't had a nice word to say about TT and then all of a sudden it changed the other way round.

 

Personally I never pay much attention what the press writes, neither positive nor negative. As in general public...nobody who sells out wembley twice is unpopular...

 

P.

Don't worry that is not exclusive to Coldplay...British newspaper loves building somebody up just to knock them down later.

I mean look at the whole Take That/Robbie Williams...for years Rob was the newspapers darling and they didn't had a nice word to say about TT and then all of a sudden it changed the other way round.

 

Personally I never pay much attention what the press writes, neither positive nor negative. As in general public...nobody who sells out wembley twice is unpopular...

 

P.

 

Well said! :clap:

So what do you think motivates the negativity surrounding Coldplay that (seems) unique to the UK?

 

Read the post of their Manchester gig which bore no relation to the VLV tour at all,

 

 

(or their snub @ the Brits). etc etc

 

Interesting thread LLL, though bit tired to meaningfully contribute to your attempt to start decent debate, so...

 

for now I'll just say that he review of the Manchester gig was written by a very young journalist (just starting out?) who was probably just looking to impress her editors by following the NME policy of slamming the band.

 

The Brits are always a sham whoever wins imho.

As Chris said so wittily on the South Bank show: "My father was at a dinner and this guy asked him: ' what do your sons do for a living?' 'Well, one's a banker; the other an international rock star'. 'Really?' he replied, 'which bank'.

LMAO

Don't worry that is not exclusive to Coldplay...British newspaper loves building somebody up just to knock them down later.

I mean look at the whole Take That/Robbie Williams...for years Rob was the newspapers darling and they didn't had a nice word to say about TT and then all of a sudden it changed the other way round.

 

Personally I never pay much attention what the press writes, neither positive nor negative. As in general public...nobody who sells out wembley twice is unpopular...

 

P.

 

I totally agree. All reviewers appear to have an "agenda", and the Brits are a joke.;)

Oh we hate success! When this country sees something doing well they slag it off day in day out. Lewis Hamilton is a perfect example. Coldplay is another. Rather than praise we get stupid ****s like Kelly Murray whose probably upset because she's an ugly whore.

hmm, but in America it seems that a lot of people don't think they're manly enough or something. :rolleyes:

Don't worry that is not exclusive to Coldplay...British newspaper loves building somebody up just to knock them down later.

I mean look at the whole Take That/Robbie Williams...for years Rob was the newspapers darling and they didn't had a nice word to say about TT and then all of a sudden it changed the other way round.

P.

 

So true about the Robbie Williams thing.I think papers, especially in England, love to bring someone to the top and then, after a while criticize, be very negative towards them.And really get that.You'd think they'd praise a bnad like Coldplay who make it big somewhere else than England and Europe and won 7 Grammys but no....It's a little strange I have to say.

hmm, but in America it seems that a lot of people don't think they're manly enough or something. :rolleyes:

 

I thought the Republicans were in the minority post Obama win? ;)

 

They're just upset Chris backed the winning team?

 

I don't think that criticism is unique to Coldplay, many Americans I've spoken to think British men are very effeminate by their standards.

 

I don't think that criticism is unique to Coldplay, many Americans I've spoken to think British men are very effeminate by their standards.

 

hahaha.That's so crazy.They should see France etc. So macho.The US is a nation of American football, hockey, etc.Rough.Europeans in general are more pessimistic anyways.I lived in Belgium, France and Germany (in France especially, many people loathed others for being successful at work or even at school.teachers like to bring you down).Now I live in Canada and there's a HUGE difference in attitude towards successful people.There's a different attitude towards life in general or the future.More optimistic I guess.

hmm, but in America it seems that a lot of people don't think they're manly enough or something. :rolleyes:

 

I thought the Republicans were in the minority post Obama win? ;)

 

They're just upset Chris backed the winning team?

Has little to do with who they support, Americans have hated Coldplay forever. It's because they sing in falsetto and actually make music unlike Black Eyed Peas (the biggest band in America right now :facepalm:).

Has little to do with who they support, Americans have hated Coldplay forever. It's because they sing in falsetto and actually make music unlike Black Eyed Peas (the biggest band in America right now :facepalm:).

 

exactly. (although i don't think BEP are that bad, at least not compared to the JoBros and others... :sick:)

All that is so complicated!:thinking:

 

When I see Coldplay perform I see four friends having a fantastic time, how many people can see that their own lives are like that?

 

 

Discuss...

 

I suppose they are REALLY HAPPY together!!!...and looking at these guys I think I know what I need to be happy too...

*Chris is laughing all the way to his brothers bank too*:)

Hey,I am from America, and there's alot of people here that don't care for Coldplay, some roll their eyes when I mention them, or say "Who":rolleyes:

Well, all I can say is that I'm at the library right now and 7 people out of 10 people have Coldplay songs on their itunes playlists (the other 2 have a lot of hip hop and the third one has TONS of musicals...weirdo).At least two or three albums as well.One of them a lot of stuff, including lives.I don't know where he/she is sitting though.It's a big place.Canadians have good tastes

agree that english dont celebrate success, ppl hate too much

Well, all I can say is that I'm at the library right now and 7 people out of 10 people have Coldplay songs on their itunes playlists (the other 2 have a lot of hip hop and the third one has TONS of musicals...weirdo).At least two or three albums as well.One of them a lot of stuff, including lives.I don't know where he/she is sitting though.It's a big place.Canadians have good tastes

 

Which province are you living in Marie, if you don't mind me asking? :)

British shallow and miserable bunch you know; very importantly to them that artistic ranges do not include too much with their audience! They prefer to have commercial ranges to one side and artistic K-bands another, and 2 can ever not meet!

 

For this reason this COLD band of YOUR GAME has caused them this much anger! They have had both the artistic and the money!

 

Also, many of this British have correctly assumption that Martin pens the lyrical poetry of rubbish!

In Australia, we call it the Tall Poppy Syndrome. Knock someone down when they get successful so it keeps them grounded. See: Kylie Minogue. There was a massive backlash against her in the early 90s here but she kept working and managed to win back the respect of the media by 98/2000.