It's not ME doing anything it's Parliament in this country to fully address the state of immigration. I'm not calling for Labour to do this or that, but for them to show some balls for once and discuss a serious issue that they just constantly hide away from. The big wooses.

 

Oh okay, discussing, good idea, you politician, you

come on noonsun, you don't even live in Britain.. a country can't allow everybody that wants to live there, and that's pretty obvious. Britain can't be home for everybody who needs it, even if they wanted to.

Oh okay, discussing, good idea, you politician, you

 

I ain't a politician and don't intend to become one. Just because I'm crying out for a debate like millions others in this country doesn't make me a politician. Strawberryswinger has good sense. Gonna criticise him?

 

Why don't we take a look at America? It seems you'd be happy just pull down those massive fences and let in all those on the U.S/Mexico border?

Britain's got quite strict laws when it comes to immigration.

I ain't a politician and don't intend to become one. Just because I'm crying out for a debate like millions others in this country doesn't make me a politician. Strawberryswinger has good sense. Gonna criticise him?

 

Why don't we take a look at America? It seems you'd be happy just pull down those massive fences and let in all those on the U.S/Mexico border?

 

You moronic ****, fuck no I'm not happy about America's immigration policy, it's probably worse than the UK's. US immigration policies right now are among the worst national policies in our history. It's all a big old steaming pile of shit, thank you very much.

Howyousawtheworld, you are clearly very much against immigration. I know that a lot of British people are worried that immigrants take their jobs. Thing is it's not easy to get a job here if you're foreign. British people generally have a massive advantage when they apply for the same jobs.

Howyousawtheworld, you are clearly very much against immigration. I know that a lot of British people are worried that immigrants take their jobs. Thing is it's not easy to get a job here if you're foreign. British people generally have a massive advantage when they apply for the same jobs.

 

Sally I ain't against immigration. But I believe in recent years it has been very very excessive.

Sally I ain't against immigration. But I believe in recent years it has been very very excessive.

 

And you're not the only one by a long way.;)

Anyway, the point about this story is that people are blatantly abusing the system and getting away with it, which shouldn't be happening.;)

Exactly. It's not a sympathy story. There are laws in this country and they broke the law, scamming their way into this country. I find it sad and pathetic.

Exactly. It's not a sympathy story. There are laws in this country and they broke the law, scamming their way into this country. I find it sad and pathetic.

 

Definitely. You can't blame people for trying, but they shouldn't be able to succeed.;)

Yep, the UK is like a gigantic "Members Only" VIP club, spot on, Mark.

Yep, the UK is like a gigantic "Members Only" VIP club, spot on, Mark.

 

It's nothing whatsoever to do with you, as it isn't even your country.:smug:

It has to be remembered that Britain is smaller than most U.S. states, and is already overcrowded in comparison as it is.

According to the latest available information, the most populous state is California at 37 million, and California itself is much bigger than Britain.

 

Landmass of UK: 94,526 sq mi. Pop: 61,399,118 - 2008

Landmass of CA: 163,696 sq mi. Pop: 37 million

It's nothing whatsoever to do with you, as it isn't even your country.:smug:

 

Don't you live in Germany?

Don't you live in Germany?

 

I'm English and therefore a member of the European Union, so it's irrelevant. Plus I'm not telling people from other countries how to run their "immigration" unlike other people I could mention. Furthermore, I'm not living anywhere illegally.;)

I'm English and therefore a member of the European Union, so it's irrelevant. Plus I'm not telling people from other countries how to run their "immigration" unlike other people I could mention. Furthermore, I'm not living anywhere illegally.;)

 

I never claimed you were an illegal immigrant Mark, I am just saying Sara has as much right to talk about the UK as you do, since neither of you live here.

I never claimed you were an illegal immigrant Mark, I am just saying Sara has as much right to talk about the UK as you do, since neither of you live here.

 

I do, because I'm still a British citizen, unlike her, and have my passport to prove it. End of story.:smug:

It isn't as if I've actually emigrated. In fact, in principle, I actually have addresses in both the UK and Germany.;)

However, I wouldn't try to tell Germans how to run their country, as I'm not a German citizen.;)

so according to you, no one except US citizens should talk about Bush or Obama's government for example?

 

that's stupid.

 

one thing is being a US citizen and have the right to choose the leaders of the country, but you don't need that to have a valid opinion about something happening there

I do, because I'm still a British citizen, unlike her, and have my passport to prove it. End of story.:smug:

It isn't as if I've actually emigrated. In fact, in principle, I actually have addresses in both the UK and Germany.;)

However, I wouldn't try to tell Germans how to run their country, as I'm not a German citizen.;)

 

I understand you're an EU citizen and all but at the end of the day you just wanted to move to another country to have a better life there. Why would you want to stop other people from doing the same? The fact that their country doesn't have the same agreements with Britain doesn't make their intentions any worse.

I understand you're an EU citizen and all but at the end of the day you just wanted to move to another country to have a better life there. Why would you want to stop other people from doing the same? The fact that their country doesn't have the same agreements with Britain doesn't make their intentions any worse.

 

The difference is that free movement within the European Union has been ratified, whether people like it or not.

What this person is doing, whatever the intention might have been, is illegal, and should have been prevented.

There are rules in place for a reason, and they should be enforced.;)

Anyway, the standards of living in Germany and Britain aren't that different, and presumably the same goes for Switzerland and Britain too.

Anyway, it's the government that's being criticised here, not those trying to abuse the system.

Once again the government has failed.:dozey:

I understand you're an EU citizen and all but at the end of the day you just wanted to move to another country to have a better life there. Why would you want to stop other people from doing the same? The fact that their country doesn't have the same agreements with Britain doesn't make their intentions any worse.

 

That is a fair point about leading a better life, but how many are able to actively contribute to British society?

That is a fair point about leading a better life, but how many are able to actively contribute to British society?

 

Exactly, plus if you allowed anyone to move anywhere just so they could lead "a better life", certain countries would just end up being overrun to the detriment of people's lives in those countries.

That's what could happen in Britain unless something is done to stem the flow before it's too late.:dozey:

 

Or is someone suggesting that all the people of somewhere like Zimbabwe who would like to leave for a "better life" (I'm sure we're talking millions) should all be given free passage to Britain?

That's just ludicrous beyond belief.

The difference is that free movement within the European Union has been ratified, whether people like it or not.

What this person is doing, whatever the intention might have been, is illegal, and should have been prevented.

There are rules in place for a reason, and they should be enforced.;)

Anyway, the standards of living in Germany and Britain aren't that different, and presumably the same goes for Switzerland and Britain too.

Anyway, it's the government that's being criticised here, not those trying to abuse the system.

Once again the government has failed.:dozey:

 

Yeah but you were just lucky enough to be born in the right country. The desire to move to another country has nothing to do with agreements between countries.

 

I'm not sure why you mention the standard of living here. Wouldn't it make sense to support someone who comes from a country that doesn't have the same standard of living even more if they try to find a better life here?

Yeah but you were just lucky enough to be born in the right country. The desire to move to another country has nothing to do with agreements between countries.

 

I'm not sure why you mention the standard of living here. Wouldn't it make sense to support someone who comes from a country that doesn't have the same standard of living even more if they try to find a better life here?

 

Desire has nothing to do with reality, practicality and common-sense. Otherwise I'm sure the U.S. wouldn't have constructed that big fence along its border with Mexico.;)

And as I stated before, the U.S. is nowhere near as densely populated as the UK.:dozey:

Desire has nothing to do with reality, practicality and common-sense. Otherwise I'm sure the U.S. wouldn't have constructed that big fence along its border with Mexico.;)

And as I stated before, the U.S. is nowhere near as densely populated as the UK.:dozey:

 

Mark, you don't live in the US, don't fucking criticize

I would like to predict Mark's reaction right now, it's going to be that he didn't criticize the US ;) and I've got it all wrong, as usual :laugh3: