Yossarian answers questions about the nature of your existence and an objective reality untainted by

[Luka Modric]

After a long days spent writing about EXISTENTIAL LITERATURE, Yossarian needs a shower and a glass of milk. :D

 

But Yossarian also wants to smoke some sacred herbs, and because Yossarian returned to university early, Yossarian has no one to toke with. His entire building is completely empty (No joke! Three floors, 8 rooms per floor, and as far as I'm aware I'm still the only person here) and his SOUL is feeling DEVOID OF COMPANY. :veryangry2:

 

Yossarian wants YOU, people of the COLD GAME, to ask him questions about the nature of your existence, which Yossarian will answer shortly like the kind-hearted sage that he is. :D

[MrMagpie]

What do you think about Camus' view of absurdity?

[Luka Modric]

Yossarian finds no hope in it, which he supposes may be the point. Absurdism certainly has a lot in common with existentialism, both of which are quite miserable philosophies by which to live your life. But Yossarian would like to quote (para-phrase) from an Alan Watts lecture, if he may, in response to your question...

 

If someone approaches me and says they want to commit suicide, I tell them to go ahead. Why shouldn't they? If they tell me they can't go on, I ask them why should they go on? Because the truth is there is no inherent meaning to life, and if you aren't enjoying your time here you've every right to 'check out', as it were... of course then they don't want to commit suicide, because the fact that they can is somewhat liberating.

[juanif94]

wow you're crazy man :P

[Luka Modric]

Whats CRAZY, my good sir, is the fact that...

 

1) You're from Uruguay, I'm from London, and we communicate freely on a message board all the same.

2) More than 50% of American families GENUINELY believe in a monotheistic/creator God and say grace before meal times

3) Catholics GENUINELY BELIEVE in transubstantiation

4) Chris Martin once wrote; "Those who are dead are not dead, they're just living in my head", and you fools are STILL gullible enough to wolf down his records

5) The new tallest building in the worlds height cannot truly be confirmed because of the extent to which it 'sways'.

 

These things are crazy. Yossarian is most certainly not.

[juanif94]

:laugh3:

[ricardo]

Do you like Bach?

[Luka Modric]

I prefer front, AMIRITEGUYSCMON?!?!? :laugh3:

[ricardo]

Hahaha

do you like balzac?

[Space Cadet]

Umm... why would a 3-year-old have frequent existential crises? Any why would she still remember them 25 years later when most people can't seem to remember anything before they were 5?

[Tnspieler1012]

I prefer front, AMIRITEGUYSCMON?!?!? :laugh3:

LULZ

 

Existentialism is fascinating, The past few months of been reading almost nothing but Camus, Sartre, Kafka, Kierkegaard and Dostoyevsky.

 

Mr. Yossarian, do you agree will Sartre's idea that, in creating one's life, one is also deciding an ideal life for everyone else, or was that just a half-assed attempt to incorporate his socialist leanings into existentialist philosophy?

[eff-exx]

How do I apply Physics as a teenager?

[an angel]

I'd rather talk about how Yossarian doesn't exist.

[eff-exx]

^ouch. what's wrong with him? :thinking:

 

or were you just joking? :thinking:

 

omg i feel so noob. :embarassed:

[an angel]

He's an alias.

[eff-exx]

ah. alias. reminds me of the tv series.

[Matter-Eater Lad]

He's an alias.

 

No he's not.

[noonsun]

Existentialism is cool.

[Luka Modric]

LULZ

 

Existentialism is fascinating, The past few months of been reading almost nothing but Camus, Sartre, Kafka, Kierkegaard and Dostoyevsky.

 

Mr. Yossarian, do you agree will Sartre's idea that, in creating one's life, one is also deciding an ideal life for everyone else, or was that just a half-assed attempt to incorporate his socialist leanings into existentialist philosophy?

 

I found the idea to be in direct conflict with some of his other views, particularly the notion that we are 'condemned to be free', as it were. After all, the ONLY unfree act in our lifetimes, the only forced-choice... is birth. After that we are responsible for everything. And the idea that our actions can unconsciously effect those of our peers seems to imply that they are somehow less free...

 

Ultimately Sartre was laying down a blueprint for society - What is acceptable for a man, his entitlement, he judges based on his consciousness, which affords him the ability to compare and contrast. But that world view has a horrific aftertaste; that we cannot change. And obviously we're free to change at any time - man can undergo great spiritual transformations at any time! This renders all judgement - and all thoughts of influence - redundant in the face of the bigger picture.

[Gautama]

what do you think, are all humans really able to really change any time? (people with severe organically conditioned mental disorders or very low cognitive abilities excluded, probably).

 

let's say, i have a friend who's got an alledged iq of 149 or so, she very successfully studied a variety of fields, chemistry, maths, sociology, philosophy and finally interpreting from portuguese and english into our native german ( and vice versa of course), which is her profession now.

she did an awful lot of drugs when she was young, had -i think- four abortions via sleeping with a rather random variety of a sad bunch of men, is a messy and now pops ritalin to fight off depression and general limbo.

 

she doesn't trust verbal therapy, which claims to be able to help with depression as much as bipolar disorders, borderline- syndrom, even schizophrenia. i know a therapist, who claims to have had helped those latter category of sick people with behavioural and verbal therapy. amazing, non?

 

i told thus my dear friend, but she doesn't believe in it. :disappointed: now, as much as that is a self- set limitation already, what do you think, is the 'average' human brain really able to change any time? i tend to think so. it's just a pity, that most people don't, which then becomes a self- fullfilling prophesy.

and they're not told/ taught that. so they simply don't know.

 

gosh, i'm so random, sorry. :lol:

 

i myself prolly have add, so my posts tend to be rather confusing. maybe, you get the point anyway. hehe. :P

 

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RBXWhq9hudo]YouTube- Can Humans Change?[/ame]

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WEIfMqM5wnM]YouTube- Krishnamurti : Why don't You Change?[/ame]

[Luka Modric]

what do you think, are all humans really able to really change any time? (people with severe organically conditioned mental disorders or very low cognitive abilities excluded, probably).

 

let's say, i have a friend who's got an alledged iq of 149 or so, she very successfully studied a variety of fields, chemistry, maths, sociology, philosophy and finally interpreting from portueguese and english into our native german ( and vice versa of course), which is her profession now.

she did an awful lot of drugs, when she was young, had i think four abortions via sleeping with a rather random variety of a sad bunch of men, is a messy and now pops ritalin to fight off depression and general limbo.

 

she doesn't trust verbal therapy, which claims to be able to help with depression as much as bipolar disorders, borderline- syndrom, even schizophrenia. i know a therapist, who claims to have had helped those latter category of sick people with behavioural and verbal therapy. amazing, non?

 

i told thus my dear friend, but she doesn't believe in it. :disappointed: now, as much as that is a self- set limitation already, what do you think, is the 'average' human brain really able to change any time? i tend to think so. it's just a pity, that most people don't, which then becomes a self- fullfilling prophesy.

and they're not told/ taught that. so they simply don't know.

 

gosh, i'm so random, sorry. :lol:

 

i myself prolly have add, so my posts tend to be rather confusing. maybe, you get the point anyway. hehe. :P

 

 

Theres no such thing as depression, bi-polar disorder, schizophrenia, dyslexia, OCD, and so on. Such 'disorders' seek to identify a chemical blueprint of how a human being should be in a natural state, and exclude all of those exhibiting behavior deemed irrational by the masses as being abnormal. Yossarian feels inclined to state that - in the cold hard light of reality - no such blueprint exists, and therefore diagnosing ordinary conditions of the human experience (IE, chronic sadness = DEPRESSION, chronic confusion/fear for oneself = ANXIETY) acts not only to limit the diagnosed 'victims' but also stigmatizes them to their friends and family.

 

Self-limitation is a product of Language x culture x repetition... We can unlearn just as we can learn. I recommend your friend consult the Tao Te Ching by Lao Tzu. It will have more to teach here than any doctor of words... his life is not wholesome, not centered in the Tao. Just as Christians are the vultures around death and despair, psychiatrists are to emotions what lawyers are to accidents - unproductive parasites.

[Ohemul]

He must be an alias.

[Luka Modric]

I'm an alias of Balack Obama, who is sadly missing in action.

[Gautama]

Theres no such thing as depression, bi-polar disorder, schizophrenia, dyslexia, OCD, and so on. Such 'disorders' seek to identify a chemical blueprint of how a human being should be in a natural state, and exclude all of those exhibiting behavior deemed irrational by the masses as being abnormal. Yossarian feels inclined to state that - in the cold hard light of reality - no such blueprint exists, and therefore diagnosing ordinary conditions of the human experience (IE, chronic sadness = DEPRESSION, chronic confusion/fear for oneself = ANXIETY) acts not only to limit the diagnosed 'victims' but also stigmatizes them to their friends and family.

1)

 

 

Self-limitation is a product of Language x culture x repetition... We can unlearn just as we can learn.

2)

 

 

I recommend your friend consult the Tao Te Ching by Lao Tzu. It will have more to teach here than any doctor of words... his life is not wholesome, not centered in the Tao. Just as Christians are the vultures around death and despair, psychiatrists are to emotions what lawyers are to accidents - unproductive parasites.

3)

 

1) i do think people who are eg manic- depressive do consider themselves as being fairly ill, and would love to get help. being bi- polar is just not a very attractive alternative way of perceiving our world, is it?

and being stigmatised (because of a diagnose) to their friends and families? those people usually have to deal with an awful lot of frustrating shit, too. having words and a catalogue of symptomps and explanations, however inaccurate it is, may be a bit of consolation. i do agree, that western civilisations could learn a lot from other cultures' perceptions and treatments of mental syndroms.

 

2) sure, that's how psychotherapy works too. maybe not as effectively as a tuition in taoism, but the basic principle applies as well.

 

 

3) she will rather pop her pills than confront herself with the tao te king. :D

what do you study? you're the first one on here who seems to fiddle with the topics that i studied ( ages ago though), which were ethnology/ ethnic medicine and alternative medicine.

[Hogy]

Dear Yossarian,

who is your favourite philosopher? I went to a book store today and wanted to buy somehting by Sartre, because I haven't read anything by him, but I'm not sure if he's a good place to start. I usually get all my philosophic input through poetry and essays by poets so I'm a bit lost in the big field of philosophy. Thanks very much!