Nations normally refer to a collection of peoples under a flag (sometimes of convenience) which is why Palestine could be called a nation state and why some call Scotland a nation - of Scots! :)

 

The United Kingdom is a country that consists of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. In fact, the official name of the country is "United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland." Great Britain is the name of the island northwest of France and east of Ireland that consists of three somewhat autonomous regions: England, Wales and Scotland.

 

Therefore, England is part of Great Britain, which is part of the United Kingdom. England, Wales, Scotland, and Northern Ireland are not strictly speaking countries but nations, but the United Kingdom is. The remaining portion of the island of Ireland (that which is not the U.K.'s Northern Ireland) is an independent country called the Republic of Ireland (Eire).

 

So England is not country, but a Nation. Try telling that to the general xenophobic population! On another note. England is split into counties ~40 e.g Lancashire, Cheshire. Which are somewhat autonomous.

 

Scotland and England have had a common government since the English routed the scots and King James VI was made king of England &Scotland. The 'countries' are fiercly independant though and have recently started having 'devoluted' parliaments with their own laws.

 

Hope that clears some things up!! :huh:

Scotland is a country as is Wales :D <what a pointless post :lol: :dozey:

The United Kingdom is a country that consists of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. In fact' date=' the official name of the country is "United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland." Great Britain is the name of the island northwest of France and east of Ireland that consists of three somewhat autonomous regions: England, Wales and Scotland. [/quote']

 

That's exactly what I thought, and what I had been taught in History I asked a Briton and he told me I was wrong.

 

Scotland is a country as is Wales

 

And that's exactly what I was told afterwards.

 

On another note. England is split into counties ~40 e.g Lancashire' date=' Cheshire. Which are somewhat autonomous.[/quote']

 

But do they follow like a the 'General Laws' or what, or is it like in the United States where the laws can change from a state to the other radically.

 

And confirm me this , please. Your voting system there is for counties, like you have 20 counties and 19 elect the Labour party [you call them the Mayor? the ones that 'rule' the county] and then the party elects the Prime Minister, not the people? [i think I'm right, but there is also the posibilitie that I'm not, and there's nothing dangerous than wrong information-!]

 

And for your elections, does Wales, Norther Ireland and Scotland count too? Because as I'm hearing than they are independent, I don't see the reason why they should.

No the laws are set at national level, but are policed by regional forces...

 

Each town has a mayor... they normally lead the regional councils, but don't have any political power as such. Councils set things such as local taxes and amenities. Councils are elected locally.

 

The National voting system is set according to parliamentary districts. There are 600+ in England/Scotland/Wales/NorthernIreland. The person with the highest votes in each district is elected to parliament. The government is a 'first past the post' system where the party with an overall majority is the government, not proportional representation as in other european countries. The prime minister is the leader of the winning party.

 

The parliamentary districts are in all 'countries'. Scotland also has it's own parliament with it's own elections. So a scottish mp elected in the general election can sit in london, and in scotland. But english mp's can't... peverse eh!!

 

:)

that was more articulate than anything I could've written on the subject! :)

So the Scots and Welsh elcts their head of Parlament and then they also vote on the elections form the Prime Minister [your system is so complicated!]

 

But isn't that unfair? London is huge and you have just one representative [or they are according to the people] and isn't like unfair that the people is not the one that decides who the Prime Minister will be?

Interesting...thanks! :)

and isn't like unfair that the people is not the one that decides who the Prime Minister will be?

 

yeah..but i think that is the population who build the parlament and it chooses the prime minister .Right?but i agree ...it is unfair but on the other hand US which has president elections elected Bush but in fact who won was Gore so... ;)

Don't tell me about that! I find the American System, extredimely complicated! I've never been able to ctach up what's going on there! [when Bush was elected, I tried but I couldn't understand how they did that; well I could barely distinguish them, so.... :rolleyes: ]

Don't tell me about that! I find the American System' date=' extredimely complicated! I've never been able to ctach up what's going on there! [when Bush was elected, I tried but I couldn't understand how they did that; well I could barely distinguish them, so.... :rolleyes: ']

 

 

Come on Carla!You 're so smart...its easy!the brother of the president is the governor of Florida he helped Bush getting fake votes in many ways like a lot of black people couldnt vote without a reason(most of the black people are democratic...)there is a law in us which says that people who went to the jail with a big penalty they are not allowed to vote ,but people who robbered an cd that was going to vote with the democratic party couldnt vote...

Don't tell me about that! I find the American System' date=' extredimely complicated! I've never been able to ctach up what's going on there! [when Bush was elected, I tried but I couldn't understand how they did that; well I could barely distinguish them, so.... :rolleyes: ']

 

 

Come on Carla!You 're so smart...its easy!the brother of the president is the governor of Florida he helped Bush getting fake votes in many ways like a lot of black people couldnt vote without a reason(most of the black people are democratic...)there is a law in us which says that people who went to the jail with a big penalty they are not allowed to vote ,but people who robbered an cd that was going to vote with the democratic party couldnt vote...

 

Well that's a serious thing, are you sure????

But which one it's correct; The Scotish Nation or the Scotish Country? I'm sure it's a Nation but Ian said it was not and he is from there so........ :huh:

 

And a district it's the same that a county? You absolutely sure?

a nation is the same thing as a country

not always.

Kurds are a self-proclaimed nation, but without a country of their own (they're spread out among Turkey, Iraq, and Turkmenistan/Tajikistan).

 

'nation' is something you call yourself as a group. it's supposed to be something of higher value than a 'tribe.' i dunno...these are very politically-charged words with different meanings for different people.

your quite the intelligent one

 

Well that's a serious thing, are you sure????

 

Yes 100% sure

:lol: No Charline! A Nation it's like a a determined grouyp with similar characteristics; same language, culture, history, traditions but they do not have a State, they are independent [i don't know how to make it more clear!]

 

Palestine it's a Nation, the Kurds -I think - the Chechens... [well I'n not like 100% sure, but I assure you Palestine it's a Nation]

 

 

and a State it's quite simple, though I don't know what's the difference between Republic and State [or Independent State]

not always.

Kurds are a self-proclaimed nation, but without a country of their own (they're spread out among Turkey, Iraq, and Turkmenistan/Tajikistan).

 

'nation' is something you call yourself as a group. it's supposed to be something of higher value than a 'tribe.' i dunno...these are very politically-charged words with different meanings for different people.

 

I think you are quite wrong here, because the concept it's international. I don't think you can proclaim 'yourself' as a nation, a mean a group of people, though I think the Kurds are one [it's just they can't proclaim themselves]

Sternly, you don't yet know the ways of world politics, of geopolitics. And the way you're so sure about Palestinians being a 'nation', I"m sure some Israelis and others will be equally sure of Palestinians not being a nation in need of their own country; they would say that Palestinians are just the left-over Muslims of Syria or of Jordan. See the point? it's all politics, and who has power.

 

Kashmiris would like to think they're a separate people, a separate 'nation'. so would the Basques in Spain! or the people of the French island of Corsica. When such people don't get what they want politically, they proclaim themselves to be separate people, a separate 'nation'.

I'm sorry, musiclover!

 

But it's not liek you can adapt a concept to your own good and such, I can say we are a nation because of..... but then If we do not 'fit' the pattern, why should be one?

aww don't be sorry. we're only discussing some valid issues here.

 

see, when time comes to make a pattern fit, anything can be done. It's the question of perception. Don't get me wrong. Your idea of 'nation' and 'country' in terms of sociology or geography terms is just fine. but when it comes to using those terms in actual world politics, it's a different matter.

No but I think from any point of wiev, it should be the same. If it is a concept, more than makinf fit the things, they should, anturally, appear as such, especiall in Politics, because it's very important! [i don't care If you tell me that Politicians are corrupt and so, Politics it's good and useful, when it's 'used' in a good way]

Sternly, you don't yet know the ways of world politics, of geopolitics. And the way you're so sure about Palestinians being a 'nation', I"m sure some Israelis and others will be equally sure of Palestinians not being a nation in need of their own country; they would say that Palestinians are just the left-over Muslims of Syria or of Jordan. See the point? it's all politics, and who has power.

 

Kashmiris would like to think they're a separate people, a separate 'nation'. so would the Basques in Spain! or the people of the French island of Corsica. When such people don't get what they want politically, they proclaim themselves to be separate people, a separate 'nation'.

the isreali's baically just move in and claim land anywhee they please. palestine for example, also syria/...

ermmm okay.. there we go. see, different people, different definitions of 'nation'! :cool:

that wasnt a definition...

your quite the intelligent one

 

was that meant for me? if so...you know how to tell jokes very well! :D