musiclover Posted February 19, 2004 Author Share Posted February 19, 2004 http://www.stephen-knapp.com/thirteen_years_of_killings_in_tripura.htm "In our concern for the violence that takes place daily in India's Northeast region, here is a sample of the typical but atrocious news that comes out of the region due to the insurgency of the terrorist, militant Christian groups that act in the area. These groups, in their promotion of Christianity, continue to kill thousands of local people in their attempt to ban all Hindu practices and convert everyone into Christians." so next time when your local church asks money to send "missions" to third world countries, you know that if you give money, you are helping in killing thousands of people, or at the least, uprooting millions from their traditions and their local societies...it's an upheavel like none other. it's up to you...don't turn a blind eye to it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
musiclover Posted February 19, 2004 Author Share Posted February 19, 2004 some more blood in the name of christ? http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/953200.stm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leaver Posted February 19, 2004 Share Posted February 19, 2004 it's sort of a monologue religious thread :sneaky: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
musiclover Posted February 19, 2004 Author Share Posted February 19, 2004 yeah...i guess i'll stop now! :smug: :sneaky: sorry if i offended anyone though! not my purpose... :/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leaver Posted February 19, 2004 Share Posted February 19, 2004 mais non mais non but you're waiting in other threads :dozey: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
musiclover Posted February 19, 2004 Author Share Posted February 19, 2004 http://www.kentaxrecords.com/iaca/php/item_display.php?id=1077170198&type=news Faithful plan evangelism with 'Passion' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leaver Posted February 19, 2004 Share Posted February 19, 2004 ...shine your light now..this time is gotta be good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
musiclover Posted February 20, 2004 Author Share Posted February 20, 2004 hmmmm i gave some good links up there! :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mycdplayerisbroke Posted February 20, 2004 Share Posted February 20, 2004 is it even out yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
musiclover Posted February 20, 2004 Author Share Posted February 20, 2004 no, but it's supposed to be out on Easter day? Or a month ahead of Easter? I'm not sure...there's just a lot of buzz about it :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blangy Posted February 20, 2004 Share Posted February 20, 2004 hey musiclover i totally agree with you about all the wars/blood in the name of christ with the church supporting them it's always been like that in every war there is a religion part or interest in... and about the movie i've read those articles where they said this movie is gonna be used as an instrument to teach about god to the ppl :stunned: and here in Mexico believe me it's gonna be a controversy movie i've read there's gonna be to beggin just one copy of it :lol: c'mon and depending what the church here says about it it's gonna be the reaction of the ppl as always happen in this kind of matters where religion is involved here in my "religious" country :dozey: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
musiclover Posted February 20, 2004 Author Share Posted February 20, 2004 hi Blanca!! :-) it's cool we agree on that! :D and yep..it'll be controversial. but i don't think it will be such a big deal in Mexico since ya'll are all Catholics, and the Pope even is supposedly seen the movie and said that the movie shows the facts: "It is as it was." so...let's see, i guess! are you doing to go see it, if they show it there? :wink3: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leaver Posted February 20, 2004 Share Posted February 20, 2004 blanca should agree on posting IN ZONA HISPANA FORUM :angry: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weedy_gonzalez Posted February 20, 2004 Share Posted February 20, 2004 as i said before they do it becuz the bible tells them to. some ppl in this world weren`t priviledged enough to have faith in God. acording to the bible it`s better for them to actually believe in God than remain pagan. you don't get it, do you? :rolleyes: most people are happy in their own beliefs and their own religions. and if they're not, they would read up on bible and your 'God' and then convert and not be 'pagan' anymore. I'm happy to be 'pagan' or 'heathen' and happy to go to hell according to your close-minded beliefs. but i'm sad and mad when you try and convert me or my co-religionists who don't want to hear about your 'god'... do you get it? that's why there are always these religious wars...people resent it when you tell them that what they believe in is 'false' or 'demon worship'. :angry: and i told you...bible says many other things...so why don't they follow all those things? why do they have a treaty to not try and spread the word about their 'God' to Jews? Why do they not go to Mecca and try to convert the Muslims there? some ppl don`t know there`s a thing called bible. did anyone actually tried to persuade you to become a christian? i hope you don`t think i`m trying to do that becuz i`m not. i respect your decision. nevertheless, i feel obliged to defend myself and my religion. you don`t know about it as much as i do. you seem to only concentrate on the bad stuff that comes alond with catholic church. you don`t seem to know about a lot of miracles that happened (even in the 20th century) or about catholic priests that gave their life for other ppl (like this one, i forgot his name, gave his life for someone else in auschwitz). you seem to not really know much about my religion so i don`t think it`s right that you kinda diss it. and again, the bible tells the history before Jesus was born and also tells his life`s history. psalms (i hope that`s what you call it in english) are about love and apocalypse is about the end of the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weedy_gonzalez Posted February 20, 2004 Share Posted February 20, 2004 as you said' date=' people have always believed in something supernatural...so why do you want them to hear about your god? why can't you "live and let live"? Nobody, as far as I can tell, ever asked a Christian to give up worshipping Christ or tell a Christian that bible is false and jesus is 'demon'! :rolleyes:[/quote'] did anyone tell you, ordered you to believe in God? the bible says to spread the word, missionaries do it becuz that`s what the bible says. but they don`t change the ppl in africa. they let them keep their culture alive, they try to combine their culture, their rituals and stuff with believing in God and praying. it`s written IN the bible. and i`d rather you respected that. it`s easy to diss things you`re not familiar with and don`t know about. neither of us is right or wrong in this whole religion matter becuz this topic is just to difficult for everyone. i also think buddhism is spreading pretty fast. meditation and yoga and the whole philosophy it`s more common in my country than it used to be :o weird. how did that happen :huh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weedy_gonzalez Posted February 20, 2004 Share Posted February 20, 2004 are you saying i don't believe in God? or that 1 billion Hindus don't believe in God? or Africans that worship nature or who do Vodoo don't believe in God? if so...i give up...it's one more win to the close-minded beliefs of chrsitianity and islam! :D i know for sure that Hinduism's main tenet is: There is only one Truth; sages call It by different names! i admit that i don`t know about hinduism too much. we were learing about all the major religions in georgraphy last year and what i was taught is that hindu worship many gods and goddesses they see in nature (for example trees, or nature phenomenons, the stars etc, one goddess i know about is called kali - i know about her becuz that`s how my lastname starts *cough* :D ). now i`m not saying it`s bad or anything. as a christian i was taught to respect other ppl`s choices and believes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weedy_gonzalez Posted February 20, 2004 Share Posted February 20, 2004 that still doesn't tell me what it means! :rolleyes: or what you were trying to say! :rolleyes: kasia wanted some news articles...here's one web site compiling many articles about the terrorist-ic activities of some who try to convert others to christianity. http://www.geocities.com/orthopapism/twipra.html "Church supporting rebels in Tripura" http://www.hvk.org/articles/0703/137.html "The NLFT is accused of forcing Tripura’s indigenous tribes to become Christians and give up Hindu forms of worship in areas under their control. Last year, they had issued a ban on the Hindu festivals of Durga Puja and Saraswati Puja. The NLFT manifesto says that they want to expand what they describe as the kingdom of God and Christ in Tripura. The Baptist Church in Tripura was set up by missionaries from New Zealand 60 years ago. It won only a few thousand converts until 1980 when in the aftermath of the State’s worst ethnic riot, the number of conversions grew." just one example, but it shows how christian missionaries pounce on poor people or those who are affected by riots or earthquakes or the like...it is pure treachery! now that`s one side of the medal, and it`s the bad one. everything and everyone has two sides. i wish you could see the other side as well. :cry: besides, it said 'the baptist church' - baptist aint catholic. :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weedy_gonzalez Posted February 20, 2004 Share Posted February 20, 2004 http://www.stephen-knapp.com/thirteen_years_of_killings_in_tripura.htm "In our concern for the violence that takes place daily in India's Northeast region, here is a sample of the typical but atrocious news that comes out of the region due to the insurgency of the terrorist, militant Christian groups that act in the area. These groups, in their promotion of Christianity, continue to kill thousands of local people in their attempt to ban all Hindu practices and convert everyone into Christians." so next time when your local church asks money to send "missions" to third world countries, you know that if you give money, you are helping in killing thousands of people, or at the least, uprooting millions from their traditions and their local societies...it's an upheavel like none other. it's up to you...don't turn a blind eye to it! i don`t actually go to church. but anyway, they always write articles about bad things, have you ever read anything nice about missionaries? i believe there are some articles about it but you just want to know the bad side, don`t you? and if these christians kill, they`re not real christians. catholic churche doesn`t allow killing in the name of God. these christans seem more like islamis who believe in jihad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weedy_gonzalez Posted February 20, 2004 Share Posted February 20, 2004 and yep..it'll be controversial. but i don't think it will be such a big deal in Mexico since ya'll are all Catholics, and the Pope even is supposedly seen the movie and said that the movie shows the facts: "It is as it was." so...let's see, i guess! yeah that`s what i thought. it was made to be another movie about Jesus`s life. if you don`t believe in it, don`t watch it (and don`t diss it). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
musiclover Posted February 20, 2004 Author Share Posted February 20, 2004 some ppl don`t know there`s a thing called bible. did anyone actually tried to persuade you to become a christian? and you don't know anything about Hinduism, the little that you do know is twisted all out of reality and context :rolleyes: But I don't see Hindu or Buddhist (or even Jewish) missionaries going out to convert whole Christian or Catholic societies...even though there would be ample literature for them to fall back on (example: Bhagvad Gita--the spoken word of Krishna the Supreme God Himself--tells Hindus to worship only Him and to spread His word), etc. Why is it just the Muslims and Christians who feel like they need to convert everyone else to their way of thinking about God? and yes, many many missionaries from various sects of Christianity have knocked on my door (and i have welcomed them and tried to debate the finer points of their religion! :lol: ) and tried to convert me. One even talked about how I can meet pretty girls at their church! :rolleyes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
musiclover Posted February 20, 2004 Author Share Posted February 20, 2004 you don`t know about it as much as i do. you seem to only concentrate on the bad stuff that comes alond with catholic church. you don`t seem to know about a lot of miracles that happened (even in the 20th century) or about catholic priests that gave their life for other ppl (like this one, i forgot his name, gave his life for someone else in auschwitz). you seem to not really know much about my religion so i don`t think it`s right that you kinda diss it. and again, the bible tells the history before Jesus was born and also tells his life`s history. psalms (i hope that`s what you call it in english) are about love and apocalypse is about the end of the world. okay, I'm not dissing your religion or making it's name sullied. :/ I am only dissing your religion's MAD urge to convert everyone else to it's way of thinking 'cuz i HATE it with all my guts! :angry: :rolleyes: I say there's nothing wrong with christians, just with the christian missionaries who sow seeds of anger, mistrust, and eventual armed insurrection in poor countries. i already given you some examples of it. what miracles are you talking of? I diss most miracles 'cuz I don't accept them, it's not against your religion, it's against mine to, and everyone else's. :D The last "miracle" I know of is the one attributed to Mother Teresa..the "beatified". Why is she being put on a fast-track to sainthood by this Pope? Is it so that it will help to convert the poor Hindus of India?? The "miracle" she is thought to have committed--and the Pope accepted it--was that she cured a lady of a cancer. However, her doctor's submission was never accepted. There are records of this woman having gone to public hospital for like a year of medical attention before her tumor started to reduce. The woman herself is a Hindu! she doesn't even care about all this and says she just prays to Teresa, along with other Hindu deities! :lol: So why do you think the whole Catholic Church is out there denying science and just trying to get this Teresa saint business going? :rolleyes: The Pope was welcomed in India only 3 years ago after every other country he wanted to go to denied him visa! and then he comes to India and tells his ARMY of missionaries to "harvest the souls" of India...which means convert the Hindus. Is this how your fecking repay a host's welcome? :angry: :angry: May be Hindus should act like every other religious community and declare a war to convert everyone else...afterall, we genuinely have the OLDEST religion in the world, a living philosophy of yoga, meditation, vegetarian diet, high learning, oldest written texts, the oldest language of the world, and etc. :rolleyes: But we dont do it. If Poland is starting to have more Buddhists (I doubt you guys have any Hindus :( ) then it's not because there are Buddhist missions out there to actively convert people. It's because the inner souls of some Polish people have arisen and understood the quiet dignities of life. what kind of spirituality does the church offer anyways? there is no history of inner thought, of meditation, or of individual pursuit of God...there has always been hegemony of others, dictats from Rome as to how you will offer prayers and who will offer prayers, etc. :rolleyes: I'd say I know a lot more about Christianity then you do about Hinduism or Buddhism... and no, I revere the good things in Christianity also, and if you want good articles on that, you only have to read up on "Christian Century" or "Christianity Today" magazines....something I know I do read from time to time. So I know how it is. Don't tell me I don't know about christianity...I went to a Catholic school for like 10 years! :D about bible talking "history"...NO, the earth was not formed at 4000BCE, NO, the earth and universe were NOT made in seven days! need I say more?! :rolleyes: You know, religion is a completely different and separate subject all together. The Christians, sooner you learn this, the better off you and the world will be. The bible is NOT a history book so don't harp on it...just take it as spiritual rather than historical...'cuz everyone knows you can't have a virgin birth! :D All the same, Hindus never try to claim anything as historically firm, 'cuz our spirituality doesn't depend on it. Neither does yours, really. Except, since your Church is centrally guided, and the leaders have been morons, they have continued with such stupid remarks....that's another reason why some people in the west get attracted to the philosophies offered by buddhism or hinduism or other eastern religions...'cuz they're tired of the Church's fight against knowledge, against Galileo, against Darwin, against archeology, against biology... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
musiclover Posted February 20, 2004 Author Share Posted February 20, 2004 i admit that i don`t know about hinduism too much. we were learing about all the major religions in georgraphy last year and what i was taught is that hindu worship many gods and goddesses they see in nature (for example trees, or nature phenomenons, the stars etc, one goddess i know about is called kali - i know about her becuz that`s how my lastname starts *cough* ). now i`m not saying it`s bad or anything. as a christian i was taught to respect other ppl`s choices and believes. why do you always say that you're about love and that you're taught to respect others' believes? I'm about love too! :D and I was always taught to respect others' beliefs...as I said, we even have one saying: Truth is ONE, learned people call it by different names. But sending missions to others is no way or respecting their beliefs, I don't think it is... and see, teaching about religions in a geography class goes to show that it's not even taught properly....half-knowledge is worse than not knowing anything at all! lol No, Hindus don't worship many gods and goddesses. Yes, there is Goddess Kali. Hindus believe there is only one God, but that his manifestations are many, and so Hindus have personal relationships with the manifestation they prefer to meditate upon. IT's not as simple as saying 'Hindus worship cows, snakes, and donkeys, and that they have 33 millions gods and goddesses' And what's more shameful and hurtful is when two years ago Hindus were celebrating Diwali--the annual festival in remembrance of the fight and victory of Good over Evil--the Church was spreading pamphlets online and in their congrigations that Hindus lived in darkness and worshipped demons. :( :cry: You quote me one Hindu religious leader that has ever said that Jesus is a demon and that Christians don't know they're in darkness! Even though, as I've said, there are umpteen examples of how Hindu spirituality completely dwarves anything that ever came out of the Church. :rolleyes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
musiclover Posted February 20, 2004 Author Share Posted February 20, 2004 now that`s one side of the medal, and it`s the bad one. everything and everyone has two sides. i wish you could see the other side as well. besides, it said 'the baptist church' - baptist aint catholic. i know there are good sides to church...or any relgions. but you are the one trying to defend that church should be the center of attention, while i'm saying...religion is something between you and your god...and making films such as this 'Passion' is not helpful at all for the overall harmony among various religious societies... and about the differences between baptist and catholic.....honey, the baptists and upstarts and seem to have a twitchy butt so they try to go to the ends of the earth. but i can give you evidence of what the catholic church has done in india...it will make you sad. it makes me sad and angry... the Inquisitions in Goa and Kerala where thousands of Hindus were killed by captains of the catholic Church...it's gruesome, to say the least. And the perpetrator of these acts, one "saint" francis Xavier... so you see, the 'saints' of your Church are some of the biggest murderers that history has ever seen, and i'm sorry to say that. :( :cry: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CityandColour Posted February 20, 2004 Share Posted February 20, 2004 Mel Gibson is an actor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weedy_gonzalez Posted February 20, 2004 Share Posted February 20, 2004 some ppl don`t know there`s a thing called bible. did anyone actually tried to persuade you to become a christian? and you don't know anything about Hinduism, the little that you do know is twisted all out of reality and context :rolleyes: But I don't see Hindu or Buddhist (or even Jewish) missionaries going out to convert whole Christian or Catholic societies...even though there would be ample literature for them to fall back on (example: Bhagvad Gita--the spoken word of Krishna the Supreme God Himself--tells Hindus to worship only Him and to spread His word), etc. Why is it just the Muslims and Christians who feel like they need to convert everyone else to their way of thinking about God? and yes, many many missionaries from various sects of Christianity have knocked on my door (and i have welcomed them and tried to debate the finer points of their religion! :lol: ) and tried to convert me. One even talked about how I can meet pretty girls at their church! :rolleyes: and you don`t know anything about catholic church. you`ve not been raised in a catholic country so your points about catholicism are as inaccurate as mine about hinduism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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