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I am interested! It doesn't matter how much stuff you have, I know you're a fan! Im probably poorer as a result :P The book is "What's the story" by Ian Robertson

I wonder what songs you'd cut out. There's no way I could do that job.

By the way thats the complete collection:

Haha I am a pretty big Oasis fan. Seriously, ever since I got Definitely maybe in 1998 as my 2nd ever CD. I thought the same for the importance of Idle poster, I love the guitar on it. As for other Oasis stuff, hmm I have all the CDs, the compilations (even the deluxe new one), a couple of smaller other posters, an Oasis book, two t-shirts, Oasis guitar chords songbook, and I think thats it

OH YES. All the NME, Q, Uncut, Mojo mags from the past 5 years with oasis on the cover, or Noel Gallagher on the cover. I have a couple of the covers of those mags on my wall too! It's a great idea! As for ma posters, have 3 giant ones: Of the one and only concert I got to see of the band :( Importance of being idle single release poster DBTT album poster

Ive seen it over 60 times now. My mates and I can quote EVERY line before it comes on screen.

I have: Whatever Live Forever Shakermaker Supersonic Roll With It Some Might Say D'You Know What I Mean Stand By Me (One of the best IMO) All Around The World Go Let It Out Sunday Morning Call Who Feels Love The Hindu Times Little By Little/She Is Love Stop Crying Your Heart Out Songbird Lyla The Importance Of Being Idle (One of the best IMO) Let There Be Love Stop The Clocks EP Shock Of The Lightning Im Outta Time Falling Down I'm only missing: Morning Glory Champagne Supernova Don't Go Away Most of mine I got on ebay. Found a quarter here in Oz, and got the last two from the online oasis store when they came out in 2008/09. You got any oasis posters?

Picked up this poster last week. I love the randomness of it. And the viva outfits were the best era.

Nice!

Awesome!! SINGLES! I loved collecting them, seriously it makes the collection look awesome. The D'You Know What I Mean one has the best b-sides too. Stay young and Angel Child are mad songs

No probs, I thought it was about time we needed a new one :)

Yeah, that record is quality. Can't go past "in the morning", "america".....

God chris wears the daggiest clothes.

Exactly. And they'll have to do these things because new bands are forced to adapt to the changes in the industry and the growth in touring revenue because mainstream established acts will find it much easer to cope with changes.

Haha. You are such a hypocrite. You accuse me of going off topic, and now you are. We weren't at all talking about the cut that artists get, we were arguing the STATE OF THE INDUSTRY. Can you just accept that it isn't fucked? What you are bringing up is a totally different argument. Yes, I see your point it may be harder for new bands with established acts dominating the industry, but "sales" aren't the be all and end all these days if you are in fact referring to records. Un-established acts may find it difficult but there is nothing to say that with the right publicity, they cam make revenue from live, digital, merch, and lisencing sales. It's all about adaptation. The new bands that adapt will survive and "not get poorer". It's like the ACDC case - they don't sell anything digitally. They don't have to because they have an established fan base. But newer bands utilise these alternate sources of revenue.

Firstly Reilly, I am not disagreeing with you that SALES of albums are declining - the evidence is confounding, and hard to argue with. But the major flaw in your argument is that you seem to be persistently isolating the whole industry to just album sales. The music industry comprises a number of different revenue streams, not just the sale of physical CDs that you seem to make it out to be. Sure, stores are closing down, sales are down (in your graph) but the thing is that only represents one section of the market. So, considering the true model where the music industry comprises of different revenue streams, let's break it down. #1 - Physical CD sales - LOSING REVENUE Falling dramatically. Manufacturers and stores losing money fast because of a fundamental consumer shift to alternate products. The evidence shows this. #2 - Digital Music sales - INCREASING REVENUE Increasing rapidly because of cheaper prices of digital downloads in some cases, increasing because of accessibility on the internet, and the high sales of complementary products such as ipods and iphones. Labels like digital downloads because of the low (almost no) costs of distribution associated with sales on, for example, itunes. It's not just itunes, there are a wide variety of online sellers and labels are even going direct to customers these days. This is a major growth area, and it is proposed that digital sales will surpass physical for sure in the future. This doesnt mean the industry is "fucked" - it's just a consumer shift towards a new product. Were people saying the industry was fucked when CDs came in to replace vinyl all those years ago? http://www.zdnet.com/blog/gadgetreviews/good-riddance-digital-music-sales-to-surpass-cds-in-2010/6758 http://news.cnet.com/Digital-sales-help-Warner-Musics-profits-sing/2100-1027_3-6039289.html (and this is back in 2006. Think what it is now) http://paidcontent.co.uk/article/419-research-digital-revenue-now-a-quarter-of-uk-music-business/ "Yankee Group predicts that within the U.S. digital music industry, online music will grow faster than mobile music downloads and online single downloads will outpace album downloads or subscriptions. Despite wireless carriers’ best efforts, online distribution will continue to dominate the category, accounting for 80% of the industry revenue." http://industry.tekrati.com/research/9918/ #3 - Live Music (touring) - INCREASING REVENUE This is where a major negative gets turned into a positive. The international fan base for music is ever growing as the internet becomes available to more people in the world. Whilst illegal downloading is hampering sales revenue of records, it is turning into increased exposure for bands because kids put the songs on their ipods, share them with their friends, and therefore the band's exposure spreads virally. Whilst I agree people don't see every single one of the bands they like live, they now are exposed to more acts than they would have been in the past and this means that they are more aware of live shows. Its simple economics too, the less people spend on albums (because of file sharing) the more money they have to see the band live. There's a fundamental shift towards this today evident through the heavy touring schedules of bands. “Up until the iPod age, record companies maintained the business, releasing material by performers, and the live tour was about promoting the record, which would make the money. Now it is the complete reverse and the live side of the business has become stronger and totally dominates the global music market.” Evidence: http://www.ilmc.com/about-the-music-industry.html "Why live revenues have grown so stridently is beyond the scope of this article, but our data - compiled from a PRS for Music report and the BPI - make two things clear: one, that the growth in live revenue shows no signs of slowing and two, that live is by far and away the most lucrative section of industry revenue for artists themselves, because they retain such a big percentage of the money from ticket sales." Evidence: http://labs.timesonline.co.uk/blog/2009/11/12/do-music-artists-do-better-in-a-world-with-illegal-file-sharing/ #4 - Merchandise sales - INCREASING REVENUE Pretty much the same argument as the live revenue - because people are exposed to more music, this has increased the prominence of a music culture amongst teenagers in society, and revived a 'music culture' where its cool to buy the t-shirts and associated merchandise of your favourite bands. This is increasing the revenue from online sales and also at the live gigs where attendances are higher than ever before. #5 - Licensing - INCREASING REVENUE Many industry members identify licensing revenue as a key growth area in the industry. Bands are selling their music commercially to advertising revenue agencies, movies, etc. and enjoying the royalties of commercial exposure. The flow on effects from licensing result in more revenue in the above four areas also. "Music revenue is poised to reverse a decade-long descent. Yes, you read that correctly. Despite all the dire news stories of the past several years, there are reasons for optimism in the music business. Slowly, inexorably, the economic picture is going to begin improving for artists, songwriters, publishers, distributors and record labels." Evidence: http://musicindustrynewswire.com/2010/08/04/min3196_173012.php I hope you can understand in the music industry business model today, physical CD sales only represent a proportion of sales revenue, of which is declining. Music labels would be foolish to remain reliant on traditional physical streams of distribution. These ones that do are the ones that are closing down. The labels that capitalise and adapt on these new sources of income (growth areas) will be the ones that survive, and hence why the industry is not doomed to be "fucked". It's just too naive to solely consider falling physical record sales to base your argument on why the industry is "fucked". I love this quote that I have found from my study on the industry throughout the year: "a symptom of the rapidity of change is the fact that the industry is almost indistinguishable from what it was a year ago" (Letts, 2008). This is the case, and it is only forcing companies to respond and alter their strategies to meet the new needs of consumers to remain alive in the industry. And for the final piece of evidence, comprising ALL areas of the industry: If that wasn't a nail in the coffin, read this article. http://labs.timesonline.co.uk/blog/2009/11/12/do-music-artists-do-better-in-a-world-with-illegal-file-sharing/ From the article above: "This is the graph the record industry doesn’t want you to see. It shows the fate of the three main pillars of music industry revenue - recorded music, live music, and PRS revenues (royalties collected on behalf of artists when their music is played in public) over the last 5 years. We’ve broken each category into two sub-categories so that, for any chunk of revenue - recorded music sales, for instance - you can see the percentage that goes to the artist, and the percentage that goes elsewhere. (In the case of recorded music, the lion’s share of revenue goes to the record label; in the case of live, the promoter takes a cut etc.) Hopefully, this analysis - and there’s more on the nuts and bolts of our method below - sheds some factual light on the claims and counter-claims that are paranoically sweeping across the music industry establishment, not least that put forward by the singer Lily Allen in this paper recently - and the BPI - that artists are losing out as a result of the fall in sales of recorded of music." Hmm, fucked, you say? I don't think so. You're just a victim of a massive scare campaign led by greedy record companies.

Ok, time for my right of reply. It was 3am here when I said I was going to bed in my past message.

You seem to have the mindset of someone who is completely out of touch with what is going on in the industry today, and like you said this could just be because you are I'll informed. I am not debating your lengthy post on the ethics of forum promoting, I just wanted to respond, through debate, your opinion that the industry is fucked. Since you have given me little evidence, I still can't take your view seriously. I'm going to bed but I can easily post figures and evidence tomorrow that the industry isn't in the horiffic picture that you make it out to be. I just think you're stuck in the past for some reason which is clouding your judgement.

I would love to see the evidence proving that there is a diminishing universal audience. The way that the industry has changed has resulted in a larger audience through file sharing and the accessibility of the Internet. The dilemma for labels is that larger fan bases doesn't turn into increased album sales because of the nature of file sharing. However these larger audiences are comprising a key growth area for the industry, of which is live touring and merchandise. The "pie" isn't getting any smaller, it's just being divided up into different segments of the industry. That is the reality.

With you putting so many words in my mouth I won't even have to speak. It's sad that you have completely missed my point and instead chosen to portray a "keyboard warrior".

I should wash my hair.

Im thinking about how much i need to sleep

It's a quality album. A recogniseable MGMT sound but a lot less electro than their debut. I liked the switch to psychadelia!!

Yep, and worse. Have you ever broken a bone?

Happy Gilmore............ 11/10 SO FUNNY