Mark

The Good, The Bad and the Queen.

Electric Light Orchestra

I hope you mean that Muse are second best at impersonating Queen and not the worse band of the two. :P

http://circuitchase.com My band. Indie, alternative rock. http://cowjumpedoverthemoon.webs.com My remixes. Electronica, trip-hop.

I am right... The verses begin the same. Sorry, I should've been more clear, I thought it was blatantly obvious to anyone that the Eurasia intro sounded nothing like the Survival intro. I think I've said all along it's the same foundation, I've just not put that across very well. I think I've said it in a negative light though, and you've stuck up for the song. I expect better of them to do that. Disagree by all means, but please talk to me with a bit more respect and not the sharp anger I've detected in your tone. I'll excuse myself, thank you very much.

I feel The 2nd Law could be the Mylo Xyloto to The Resistance's Viva La Vida.

The second time, I didn't say chord progression. I simply said progression. The progression of the Muse song aligns, in places, with the progression of the Chopin song. I also didn't say that it was an extended version. I said it was an update. It follows the patterns of the Chopin piece. It utilises the same build techniques of the piece. I don't want to get all high and mighty and bring out the "I'm a musician" card, because I can't read a note of music. I play keyboard however, I have the score for Eurasia + CD and I only ever play CD because I find it a better version. They're very similar. If you don't hear it, that's cool, I'm not forcing you into my opinion. They sound similar to me, that's all. I'm not gonna get all aggressive on your ass. (As for Survival. It starts with the first two chords of Bb and Ebm. Eurasia starts with Eb and G#m. This is the same pattern, unless I'm very much mistaken.)

They took progressions straight out of a piece that they ended up using anyway, and the song they built wasn't as good as the one they borrowed from (pardon the "rip-off"). Rappers take small segments, loops, and as you say, samples. Eurasia is, to put it crudely, a 21st Century rock version of a Chopin piece; whereas any good rap song that samples is not an update on its sample. Don't get me wrong, I think it's a clever piece of work, I just think it's not quite as ingenious as say, Butterflies and Hurricanes, as a concept, as a song, as a piece of music.

Guiding Light sucked, yeah. I just can't get over how much Eurasia ripped off it's own coda. And yet that was the most beautiful part.

Really? Piano style = I Belong To You The idea of "+ Prelude" resonates with the "+" Codas/interludes, Collateral Damage and Mon Coeur S'Ouvre A Ton Voix The chord progression begins in the same way as Eurasia The delivery of the vocal is quite Uprising - aggressivish, low, like fighting talk, almost That's just me, but I thought it was very Resistance... but at the same time... approached differently to different to anything before. Bit of a lot in there though; Absolution strings, Origin build, Black Holes solo, Showbiz... Nah they'll never do anything like that again.

Some other stats that have been proved wrong recently: Before 2010, no European country had won a World Cup on non-European soil. Before this tournament, France had never won a tournament match without Platini or Zidane. Before Euro 2012, every Olympic-hosting country had won the tournament. World football is changing. Clubs are becoming bigger, more important, and the way managers prepare their countries is evolving. Spain and Germany are serious contenders for the 2014 World Cup; ten years ago, Brazil would have walked a major tournament they hosted.

Just hope they release them physically. Would be nice to put a double-A vinyl in Blur 21 of them both...

Can't see past a Spain-Germany final. Hopefully with plenty of goals.

Businesses don't, why should football clubs?

I'm not saying it's okay to lose, but it is really healthy to put competition above the game itself? The reason no one's really currently bothered about football in this country is because we're so competitive. Too competitive. We don't enjoy our football, we simply go out to win. And the Spanish enjoy their football. As do the Germans, the Dutch, the Brazilians, the French. Sure, they're competitive too, but the taste of success fuels that as much as the failure.

Totally. If England want to change they need to revamp the whole system like Germany did when we beat them 5-1, like Spain and Brazil already have in place. When Johann Cruyff managed Barca in the early '90s, he put in place an academy that would produce players in the "total football" mould that he so famously played under. His captain at Barcelona was Guardiola, who would later manage many of the players that would thrive from Cruyff's earlier system. And look at all the players that they taught the "total football" way to: Iniesta, Xavi, Messi, Ibrahimovic, Villa, Ronaldinho, Rivaldo, Ronaldo, Fabregas, Yaya Toure, Busquets, Pedro, Pique, Eto'o, players that can take the ball, pass, move, cover for their teammates. I think it is the taking part that matters, I disagree with that bit. But when Barcelona's kids go to bed, they see the Nou Camp from their bedroom window, and they dream of playing alongside that team. That team that so gloriously slay anyone in their wake. And that's what drives people to play football. It's Thierry, Eric Cantona, Messi, Cruyff, Bergkamp and the countless Brazilians who've played in World Cups. The reason people don't want to play football is because it's not fun to be an England player.

English players are so damn expensive. *Cough* Carroll. *Cough, cough* It was perhaps most evident the day the great Thierry Henry left Arsenal, for £16.5 million. Carrick went to United that same summer for the same fee, with a handful of England caps to his name. Managers buy from abroad because it's low-risk, cheaper and more convenient.

Wonder what input Mr Orbit had.

Ooh, that's a nice touch. Puns get old quickly unfortunately though :(

http://consequenceofsound.net/2012/06/blur-hints-at-release-of-the-puritan/ :D

I saw them last Sunday, they were fantastic, but I was quite a way back. Put up the live video, because it sounds better than on record. Celestine was incredible, though.

I just don't see it, sorry!

I think what's different about bands like Blur, The Jam and Stone Roses is that they didn't have much of a go first time round. You feel like they were stopped in their prime. It's when people talk about an Oasis comeback, Led Zeppelin, Pink Floyd, that it really gets irritating. Those bands had their golden eras before squandering it, but you get the feeling that people are only just starting to appreciate Blur for the innovative songwriters they've always been. It's just my opinion but a new Blur album is just what we need. It'd give a renewed energy to British indie, it'd make rock music exciting again, and it'd give the band the much need lift from everyone else's shadows. Whatever they do, it'll be their record. Their free from the battle of britpop, from expectations. I mean what else is there in British indie? Django Django? Viva Brother? Please.

How on earth are the beginnings similar?

Haven't looked thoroughly, but I can't see a thread for these guys. Five-piece indie-rock band from London, England. Fronted by Fred Macpherson, formerly of Les Incompétents and Ox.Eagle.Lion.Man. [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sk6TgpwlbiI]Spector - Celestine - YouTube[/ame] [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVDilydQsSs&feature=relmfu]Spector - Chevy Thunder (VEVO Summer Six Presents) - YouTube[/ame] Drawn comparisons to Pulp, The Killers, Roxy Music and the Strokes. They finished 3rd in BBC's Sound of 2012 poll in January, and have supported Florence and the Machine.