Sorry Mr R...loving is not embracing everything they...jesus loves the person...hate the sin...and he has said homesexuality is a sin...i love my brother but hate the fact he's a jerk...im not embracing him being a jerk I simply love my brother not the way he acts...

 

Well its a definition of love I'm looking for here, and there is no such thing in the bible.

 

Do you know why? So it can be vague enough to defend and believe in.

Sharry you could apply that to the beheading's going on in the name of Allah right now in Iraq. Sometimes I wonder if religion brings more division then kinship.

 

Still, I feel people are united within their own communities and thats the most important thing. Culture clashes are less awful then civil wars.

 

That's the problem with terrorists, they say they do it in their God's name. Allah, God, whatever wouldn't tolerate murder. Simple as that.

Why thank you.

 

I instantly thought of the part in the old testament about slave owners. What rightful God would claim people are worth the same and then say "hey, here's a slave, nit and pick!" Tss...

if you're talking to me I was being sarcastic

 

Ouuuuch.

Why thank you.

 

I instantly thought of the part in the old testament about slave owners. What rightful God would claim people are worth the same and then say "hey, here's a slave, nit and pick!" Tss...

if you're talking to me I was being sarcastic

 

I was talking to you. And I do believe it's bull. Not all of course, but fragments.

Sharry you could apply that to the beheading's going on in the name of Allah right now in Iraq. Sometimes I wonder if religion brings more division then kinship.

 

Still, I feel people are united within their own communities and thats the most important thing. Culture clashes are less awful then civil wars.

 

That's the problem with terrorists, they say they do it in their God's name. Allah, God, whatever wouldn't tolerate murder. Simple as that.

 

So, are you agreeing with Nick again?

 

With Nicks argument, he claimed people take the word of God and twist it to help them pursue their sinning ways (Tap my shoulder if I'm wrong here Nick).

 

I feel like a ref here haha.

Why thank you.

 

I instantly thought of the part in the old testament about slave owners. What rightful God would claim people are worth the same and then say "hey, here's a slave, nit and pick!" Tss...

if you're talking to me I was being sarcastic

 

I was talking to you. And I do believe it's bull. Not all of course, but fragments.

right... and you base this on your great wisdom which I would never understand because I'm a complete idiot because I believe in the bible

I hate to offend Eric and Nick, I dont think they are complete idiots, but if you want me to be honest, I think believing in the bible is the equivilant of believing in Harry Potter.

you complain about how people hate gays, and even against people who are simply against it not hating them. you attack my beliefs and the beliefs of all christians and you expect someone like me to respect your opinion because you're wise. Yet somehow attacking someone's belief is okay, but hating sin isn't. I don't hate sin because of my personal belief. I hate sin because I hate hell and I hate the thought of people willing to be happy for a second so they can die for eternity.

Why thank you.

 

I instantly thought of the part in the old testament about slave owners. What rightful God would claim people are worth the same and then say "hey, here's a slave, nit and pick!" Tss...

if you're talking to me I was being sarcastic

 

I was talking to you. And I do believe it's bull. Not all of course, but fragments.

right... and you base this on your great wisdom which I would never understand because I'm a complete idiot because I believe in the bible

 

Now you're being overanalytical. I have never said you're an idiot or anything remotely close to that. I just said I believe that some parts of the bible are bull, like the part where it's wrong to be homosexual and the part where man is entitled to own slaves (and whe nthe slave is free, the owner may keep the former slaves wife) .

Sharry you could apply that to the beheading's going on in the name of Allah right now in Iraq. Sometimes I wonder if religion brings more division then kinship.

 

Still, I feel people are united within their own communities and thats the most important thing. Culture clashes are less awful then civil wars.

 

That's the problem with terrorists, they say they do it in their God's name. Allah, God, whatever wouldn't tolerate murder. Simple as that.

 

exactly. i dont believe in allah but in the quran and all the teaching its agianst islam to do what these terrorsit are doing...its religion. religion is man made, created to justify selfish needs and wants...like the roman popes of history, the crusades, the terrorist.

when you call the bible bull in turn you're calling what I believe to be God bull, and that's something I can't respect

you complain about how people hate gays' date=' and even against people who are simply against it not hating them. you attack my beliefs and the beliefs of all christians and you expect someone like me to respect your opinion because you're wise. Yet somehow attacking someone's belief is okay, but hating sin isn't. I don't hate sin because of my personal belief. I hate sin because I hate hell and I hate the thought of people willing to be happy for a second so they can die for eternity.[/quote']

 

I really dont know what the hell your talking about but eh, I'll give it a stab in the dark.

 

No wait, I take that back, I cant stab in the dark at sentences like this: "you complain about how people hate gays, and even against people who are simply against it not hating them"

 

Whaaaaat? I'm not poking fun, I think you need to re-read everything.

I was talking to sharry

I hate to offend Eric and Nick' date=' I dont think they are complete idiots, but if you want me to be honest, I think believing in the bible is the equivilant of believing in Harry Potter.[/quote']

 

lol..harry potters not real???? your lying.

 

i believe in the bible through faith and things ive seen...although im not living right in my life...doesnt mean i dont believe it.

I hate to offend Eric and Nick' date=' I dont think they are complete idiots, but if you want me to be honest, I think believing in the bible is the equivilant of believing in Harry Potter.[/quote']

 

lol..harry potters not real???? your lying.

 

i believe in the bible through faith and things ive seen...although im not living right in my life...doesnt mean i dont believe it.

:thumbsup: :P

when you call the bible bull in turn you're calling what I believe to be God bull' date=' and that's something I can't respect[/quote']

 

So you're complaining that I don't respect your belief (Which do, everyone's entitled to a belief), but then say you don't respect my believes? (My believes: homosexuality is more than ok, no one should own slaves, all people, men and woman are equal)

Have I missed something here? :huh:

And again; I don't call the bible bull, just the parts in it I don't like.

just because you don't like it doesn't mean it's not true, and you attacking my beliefs (god, the bible) is what I don't respect. I'm not saying I don't respect you not believing in the bible, that's one thing. I can understand that, but calling it bull is another thing.

If you're basing your beliefs on what you want then that's one thing. If you want to be homosexual so you believe God would want that for you, that's one thing. But if you base your belief on something that makes logical sense to you such as maybe, oh I don't know... the history of the bible or of some people in it who existed, the history of a nation, that's another thing. I can also respect believing in evolution, but believing in your own god is a little selfish in my opinion.

So you believe that it's ok owning slaves? And that homosexuals aren't equally worth as others?

 

(What should be) a law is: It IS wrong to cause unneccesary harm to any being. And it is so unnneccesary to be against homosexuality. I mean, what does anyone win on it? People'll only get hurt.

hi eric

 

i think slavery is wrong, and homosexuality is wrong, and witchcraft...and the list goes on

but believing in your own god is a little selfish in my opinion.

 

 

small note; What was Christianity from begining but people believeing in their own little God?

(FYI, I don't believe in any God at all, only in selflessness and that's it's wrong to cause harm)

So you believe that it's ok owning slaves? And that homosexuals aren't equally worth as others?

 

(What should be) a law is: It IS wrong to cause unneccesary harm to any being. And it is so unnneccesary to be against homosexuality. I mean, what does anyone win on it? People'll only get hurt.

 

I'm agaisnt it because its disgusting, but so is alot of things. im friends with gay people, i just dont approve of it, like i dont approve of using coke or weed but im still friends with kids who do it.

I believe it's okay to have slaves. But you're not supposed to beat them or be unfair. I don't believe in it, but I don't believe it's wrong either.

I'm agaisnt it because its disgusting' date=' but so is alot of things. im friends with gay people, i just dont approve of it, like i dont approve of using coke or weed but im still friends with kids who do it.[/quote']

OK, I can totally respect you think that. (Did you just compare homosexuality to taking drogs or did I read it wrong?)

Though I can't see what's so disgucting about it. If two people love eachother, why shouldn't they be together without being classed as "sinners" or "disgusting people". Yes, I can find it a bit disgusting with two people making out like horny dogs in the middle of the street, but that goes for all people, not just homosexuals. Just claiming my opinion here. :)

whoa whoa whoa...its evil to have slaves...thats so effing unmoral and wrong.