and is not inmoral how the goverments like the american one send to poor people to an unfair war??? is not inmoral how the richest countries in the world take off the money to the most poor countries?? is not inmoral how a bastard rapes a little girl? well, people doesnt care about that.... people are concerned only because two gay people are having sex...

and is not inmoral how the goverments like the american one send to poor people to an unfair war??? is not inmoral how the richest countries in the world take off the money to the most poor countries?? is not inmoral how a bastard rapes a little girl? well' date=' people doesnt care about that.... people are concerned only because two gay people are having sex...[/quote']

 

its not unmoral to send the poor people..because its a moral war along with they fucking signed up, we dont force people to join, they JOIN ON THEIR OWN FREE WILL FULLY KNOWING THEY VERY WELL CAN BE SENT TO A WAR. they accept that and most in the military are there because they want to support our nation...people do care about morals. most people find being gay disgusting and unatural, i agree..but people should have a right to be gay if they wish. thats my view i dont agree with it, but they should have a right to be it if they wish.

but remember....this is like the middle age...there's a stupid witch hunter against gay people....

 

and yes....people are forced to go to the war!

people are forced to go to war, but the american goverment just didnt go out and grab poor people and send them off to war, they have in teh past but like iraq and such is volunteers only...they sign up and are not forced to join.

I believe that is true and like I said..he hates their ations and the paths they chose.

 

So you believe that I choose to be gay Crystal?

So why the goverments doesn't send to their own sons???

 

BECAUSE THEY'RE RICH

BECAUSE THEIR OWN SONS DONT FUCKING SIGN UP.! DAMN. its a volunteer army, they would be sent if they would sign up, but most dont.

i dont think is a volunteer...anyway this is a stupid thread that i feel ashamed to open!!!!! BLOCK THIS FUCKING THING!

This thread does not have good energy, I agree Maria ;)

However, you should not feel ashamed about opening this thread :kiss:

umm i live in the country, i think i would know..seeing as how they've called my house asking for me SING UP.! see i said ASKING TO SIGN UP. not forcing.

Whatever! block this shit!! i got pissed!

Nick, if this country instituted the draft there would be true rioting and protest. Why do you think that Bush has continually stressed that a draft will not be instituted?

Maria, it's all good. I am going to debate in here with anyone who will care to join me. Eric and Crystal have yet to reply to me. Maybe they have ignored me........

this is not worth Aaron!!! i hope some of the mods see this and block this!! idont wanna talk about this anymore

Then we shall let it sink far far, down away into the depths of the board ;)

Nick' date=' if this country instituted the draft there would be true rioting and protest. Why do you think that Bush has continually stressed that a draft will not be instituted?[/quote']

 

he doesnt need to institute it, and he knows better then to do that. you're preaching to the chior i already know this. lol

thanks for responding Nick but we should just let this thread go ;)

BLOCK THIS SHIT!

I think it was a pretty quality debate, we need more of them ;) Nice thread Mafe.

for the most part people were nice..i mean we didnt get into name calling and being really rude...its good when you can have a open, grown up discussion and exchange of ideas.

pathetic...who says it fell out of the sky?

 

\\\ It's in the bible.

"As the white glistening snowflakes fall, my eyes do behold the bread of heaven falling as manna in the wilderness.

White, White, Bread of Heaven "

 

How is it that our bodies work in the perfect way they do? How is it that even our hands are built in a way that, the lengths of our fingers are precisely place to grab things..any things? And our eyes see color, and color exists to begin with? How is it that all of our cells just KNOW what to do with out our telling them? Or how something as seemingly small as dirt gives nutrience to a plant? That in itself is a miracle to me. Scientists have studied these things for ages and are still discovering these "miracles".

 

\\\ Yes, these things you mentioned above is amazing but that still does not prove there is a God. You think that fingers, our cells are designed by God? What about Cancer, Sudden Infant Disease... is that God's design as well? The truth is, nobody knows how life started and the qwest for the answer will always be ongoing. In the beggining, many things in life that COULDN'T be explained was said to be God's work. As time goes by more and more things are being explained scientifically while things that were once taken as faith to be religious events are being shown to have scientific answers. At one point in time people thought that lightning was mystical and thunder was the anger of the gods.... you would be a fool to believe so today. How can one's faith in something predicate actual scientific proof.

Our bodies, plants, nature..all amazing designs...but in the end it still does NOT prove there is a God.

 

 

So you see, if he has made our bodies and the functions of all life so perfect and precise to work on their own...surely he could split the sea or make a little bread turn into a lot. Those seem alot more simple miracles than the way our bodies work or the atmosphere or the heavens with plantes revolving at such a way that we are not burned by the sun, but are not frozen either.

 

///// Again, how do you know for sure "He" is responsible for our bodies and functions? Where is your proof.

 

 

Yet they can't really prove that God does or does not exist. I cannot either. But there's this thing called faith. I have faith that God is my creator and the creator of all things dwelling on this planet.

Based on what I have read in the bible.

 

//// I respect that you have Faith in something that can't be seen or touched and many people choose to do that. Your faith though still does not prove anything other than your belief. If it helps you in life to believe he is looking down at you, that's great, but my common sense brings up too many questions, so I have to question it.

 

 

Plus, if you are more of a historian, then surely you can see that the prophesies in the bible are precise enough and have come true (most of them anyway). That there are events in histroy that were predicted hundreds and hundreds of years in advance.

 

//// Since the beggining of man, there has always been natural disasters and war, nothing new there. I would be impressed if there were actual dates, but you will never see that. Nostradamus for example, people swear that he predicted the future in various times. Fact is, people will see what they want to see.

" Look at the stars, doesn't that part look like a dog? Oh Yes, it kinda does!" It's the power of suggestion.

 

 

The human mind is easily swayed and molded, ask questions and really be informed before making a life long commitment.

It was awesome...but we need more threads of this but with MORE OPENMINDED PEOPLE!

we have plenty of opened minded people.

being gay may be immoral but so is alot of things people do.

 

 

being gay is immoral according to who or what?

to me, to my beliefs. according to god aswell. but take god out of the picture and i still consider it immoral.