But having children is a life-long committment that two people (or even one in some cases) have to agree on. If I girl gets pregnant accidentally or by not using protection, she is not committing to anything, she is stuck with a child...therefore, she is not ready for the responsibility of a child.

 

And what if the parents of the girl disown her or make her life a living hell for getting pregnant? Then what should she do? Here she is, stuck with a baby and no support. That isn't fair for either her or the baby.

are you talking to me?

Hahaha...I'm just talking. Debating with whoever. :D :D

If I girl gets pregnant accidentally or by not using protection

OOPS, I just had sex on accident!!!1 :huh: MAN I AM SO STUPID!! grr, now I'm pregnant

If abortion was illegal, people would still try to do it anyway in more harmful ways. It was created as a way to prevent unwanted births in a humane, sterile environment for those who choose to take that path. Everyone should have a choice.

 

exactly.

 

abortions are illegal here in argentina,but still thousands of women get serious physical and emotional problems for abortions that are not properly performed. Girls do it anyway,it's a reality,and I tink we should try our best to reduce the consequences they have to deal with afterwords

yeah that is very true. if abortion was illegal, many people would do it illegally, in a much more dangerous circumstances.

marianatsl, that's true that a 15/16 year old knows what they're doing... but sometimes it just happens and once it happens it's too late, everyone makes mistakes, you can't deny that can you? it's exactly what Ireentje said about ruining the future of a 15 year old.

 

ClearAsCrystal, you said that even in rape cases it shouldn't be allowed because it's not the child's fault it happened, so why end it. but then again it is not the mother's fault it happened so why put the mother through all that pain. and i don't think it's fair to say that the mother is not a good mum if she mistreats her baby. i mean it's inevitable to have some sort of dislike for the child if you are raped and forced to have the baby.

 

and maiu i'm glad you actually bothered reading my 128232131 word post and i'm glad you agree with it ;)

 

saintcity, i completely agree with everything you have said. if the mother is not fit to have the child, then she shouldn't, it's only a disadvantage for the child. why raise the child in a broken home? why raise the child as an adopted child? as i said in my post on the previouspage: "adoption may be a good option too, but think of the child. alot of the time they will live their life thinking "why did my parents give me up for adoption? why don't i know who my real parents are?" adoption might be a good option initially, but think of the life of the child, i know i'd hate to be a child put up for adoption because it would only make me feel unwanted, unloved, rejected, a mistake, etc. "

 

saintcity, that other point you raised: "And what if the parents of the girl disown her or make her life a living hell for getting pregnant? Then what should she do? Here she is, stuck with a baby and no support. That isn't fair for either her or the baby."

that is the other point i wznetd to write yesterday but didn't have the time for. that is so true, i mean i know for a fact that because i'm from a different culture, and all my relatives are in sri lanka still (apart from my immediate family), that if i were to get pregnant, it would be such SHAME for the family and dishonour that firstly i would have had sex before marriage, and secondly, would have had an illegitimate child. that would be such shame for everyone in my family because of our cultural background and my parents would definitely almost "disown" me in a sense. sure they would try to be supportive after a while, but the child and the mother would never have a fulfilling life.

 

it's not fair on the mother and the child.

In my humble opinion, I believe that the abortion must not be legalized.

You have not thought in what it would have happened,if one of our parent had decided abort us?

What if I was "one mistake of my parents"?

To be honest I think that we have to give to all the babies the same opportunity that we had.

 

Other point we have to take in mind is that although the pregnancy is for violation or because there was no protection,it was possible to have avoided in a lot of forms, without need to come to this end.It was possible to have avoided

As a man, the truth is difficult, because we the men can no have babies.

 

Right now the only 2 exceptions for the abortion are:

 

1-That the birth of the baby puts in risk the life of the mother

2-Rape or Violation

 

But again,for the men is not that difficult,the women are those who unfortunately suffer more.

bonnie,you are on fire...i read your other 123456 word thread and i agreed in every single word

If I girl gets pregnant accidentally or by not using protection

OOPS, I just had sex on accident!!!1 :huh: MAN I AM SO STUPID!! grr, now I'm pregnant

 

I meant like if the condom broke or something like that. :rolleyes:

 

 

And bonnie, thanks for your comments. I'm glad someone is supporting what I said! :D :lol:

bonnie' date='you are on fire...i read your other 123456 word thread and i agreed in every single word[/quote']

 

hahaha

 

I'M ON FIRE BITCCHHEEESSSS :pimp2:

 

YOU HEARD HERRR!

 

:P when i get passionate in a debate... i kinda go overboard and write 13249801 words. lol

:lol: the same happens to me but i get too excited writing and i forget my point (and someone else makes a post about it)

hahaha that happens to me alot aswell ;)

 

another one of my points about abortion is;

 

my friends say about that person who we know who is pregnant; "why didn't she use a condom?" because rumour has it she didn't use a condom or something...

 

but then they go on to say "there's no way she should have an abortion"

 

but it makes me angry because essentially chucking away a condom with sperm on it is the EXACT same thing as getting rid of sperm inside you in the beginning stages. they are both potential humans.

 

and it annoys me when they say USE A CONDOM but condemn abortion.

 

essentially they are the same thing.

 

both forms of contraception.

not really, contraception is preventing conception. and condoms prevent conception, but abortion kills the conceived baby. so they arent really both contraception.

however, im with you on the argument. i know girls who have had them, and believe me its not a whimsical decision for them. it tears them up, but i see the rationale behind it, why destroy 2 lives when you can just destroy the one?

on the other hand, if i ever got a girl pregnant i would feel very guilty and horrible about wanting to abort it. so i dont think these arguments are very useful, because every person's situation is different and no one person should decide whats right for everyone.

so i say keep it legal, and dont act like it isnt an increadibly hard thing to do.

I am pro choice...

 

 

Its my body and no one should tell me what to do with it. Granted.. there are women who use and abuse the abortion option. They tend to think its their own personal contraceptive.. thats just wrong.. I think it certain instances it should be regulated.. but definitely not illegal.

If someone is against abortion then don't do it in your own body, but everybody must have the choice of having it.

And by the way, abortion is a contraceptive because they are performed before the 10th week, and it's proved by science it's not a human being til then. If you have an abortion on the first week it's just like taking the plan B pill

Bonnie, I read all you 493854809 words as well and I agree with everything except for you said about adoption. In most cases I don’t think the child would feel like a mistake or unwanted, in fact I think it would feel just as loved and wanted as a child who wasn't adopted.

I am adopted (so is my brother) and I really don't feel like I'm unwanted by my parents, and I know that they love both me and my brother in the same way as they would if we were their biological children. I never wonder were I came from or why my biological parents put me in ans orphanage because my parents have told me everything they know about my background, but of course, it would feel weird if I didn’t know all that.

 

I feel sorry for the adoptive children who don’t know anything about their background and I’d get angry if my parents never told me anything about mine. It’s important that you can discuss those kind of things with your parents.

^ yes... but not to be abused.. a contraceptive would be 'preventing' pregnancy... not after.. but there are girls who consistantly become preggers then decide to abort.. everytime. Thats what I mean by abusing. :cool:

i ad a debate at school about it and there was a girl who said 'abortion shouldn't be legalized because everyone would stop using protection and they'd be like 'ok,i don't use a condom...i can abort later''

that's just wrong.abortion is the last choice for a woman, all girls who have it done have serious consequences, physical and emotional,and it remains in their conscience for a long time. It takes balls to do it, and it definitely isn't the easiest choice to make or the faste way out

^ exactly!!

 

 

yeah... thats not only traumatizing to the female.. but it also causes complications and damages to the physical body. Why would someone repeatedly do this to their body.. I haven't the slightest clue..

do i rock??

 

i think so

 

:huh:

 

ClearAsCrystal, you said that even in rape cases it shouldn't be allowed because it's not the child's fault it happened, so why end it. but then again it is not the mother's fault it happened so why put the mother through all that pain. and i don't think it's fair to say that the mother is not a good mum if she mistreats her baby. i mean it's inevitable to have some sort of dislike for the child if you are raped and forced to have the baby.

 

it's not fair on the mother and the child.

 

 

 

 

It's NOT good to say a mum is a bad mum if she mistreats her child?!

 

uhhh yes it is (i mean not a good thing, but a TRUE thing)

If anyone abuses/mistreats a person for any reason, they are doing bad/wrong. That is like, a fact.

 

No matter what happened for that mother to be in the situation...she has absoultely NO right to mistreat the child...it is innocent of any anger directed towards the it. And mothers in rape cases should look further beyond the truama (a tough thing to do...but no impossible) and think of this child as a life like any other and give the absolute best she can to make this kids life work...there is no harm in trying.. is there? Because life will give you it's kisses and it's kicks...he have to overcome them and make things better because (haven't we already) acccepted that life is NOT fair...the trick is to make it the best we can with what we have on the inside

I havent read the whole thing before, but im pro abortion in cases of rape (uve said that before). but like Crystal said, if the mother has the child, she has NO RIGHT to abuse or mistreat that child.

yes, because mistreating/ abusing the child would put the mom at the same level as the person who wronged her in the first place :/

but it's almost impossible for the mother to care about that child that was conceived in such a brutal way, it's even painful to go through pregnancy carrying it...so...why should the mother go through all of that?? isn't it better to prevent situations like those from the beggining??

Ok, so yes, it IS bad to say that a mother, in any case, is in the wrong when it comes to the child being abused in any sense, whether the child was conceived by rape, unwantedness or for pure shits and giggles. But, it should be in the woman's best interest of whether or not she wants to keep the fetus ONLY in specific cases such as rape and how old you are.

 

And for the person that stated that if you are raped, you should keep the baby because all lives deserve a chance, I disagree with you wholeheartedly because if I was unfairly taken advantage of, and was left in a bazillion emotional pieces and ended up pregnant, I would terminate because 1) It's unfair to ME for that a*shole to come and violate me and ruin MY future and 2) Because the baby may not be given a fair advantage at life in the first place naturally because there is always the possibility that the rapist's gene pool isn't all that neat and tidy, i.e.: diseases, abnormalities, defects, etc. and I personally wouldn't want to put a life growing inside me through hardships like that, not because I'm being selfish.

 

As for being a youngin' and getting knocked up, I think putting that hard of a responsibility on such a young age (ex: ages 12-16), abortion should be allowed if the parents and the child (the pregnant child, and I emphasize "child" because the mother-to-be is STILL A CHILD) have discussed the circumstances thoroughly together and with a trained/certified counselor and to see if all options are viewed and discussed.

 

Sorry if any of this is repeated in other words and that this is so long, but I'm VERY passionate when it comes down to tampering with woman's rights, which is being heatedly debated in the U.S. right now with the nomination of Sam Alito (That's another story!)