the place was crowded with friendly elves and fairies, which you could only see from the corner of your eyes.

 

Those guys still my penguin trees once! :angry:

Those guys still my penguin trees once! :angry:

 

fuck them!:(

Oh being wild can't harm, as long as it doesn't last for your whole life :tongue:

 

Nah, I hope I'll be wild at heart until I kiss death.:cool:

You don't need to take much cocaine in your life before you are at risk of a severe heart attack. I can see why depressed people or those having a hard time resort to drugs, no doubt it's still wrong, but those individuals who take drugs just for the hell of it really need to get their prorities in check.

You don't need to take much cocaine in your life before you are at risk of a severe heart attack.

 

I can vouch from personal experience (My own experience and especially some of those around me) that this is NOT true, I dont know what you mean by 'much' but if an RDA existed for coke (Lets say, average a gram a day over a week- which is a lot) then Ive known quite a few people who'd surpass that over years, myself for maybe a month here and there but not long term.

 

I have felt heart palputations, sometimes days after I stopped using it, but thats because I was stupid and didnt respect my limit. Ive also had palpitations from caffeine drinks when studying before I really touched coke.

 

Yes it is stupid, but most people do things that are bad for their health, its hard not to, but theres a difference between using recreationally and becoming an addict.

 

I can see why depressed people or those having a hard time resort to drugs, no doubt it's still wrong, but those individuals who take drugs just for the hell of it really need to get their prorities in check.

 

And that is the complete opposite of the truth. The worst time to get off your head on drugs is when your depressed or going through a rough patch, its one thing that any well adjusted person knows. You dont even enjoy the drug in that state, your basically just trying to shut your mind off instead of turning it on.

I can vouch from personal experience (My own experience and especially some of those around me) that this is NOT true, I dont know what you mean by 'much' but if an RDA existed for coke (Lets say, average a gram a day over a week- which is a lot) then Ive known quite a few people who'd surpass that over years, myself for maybe a month here and there but not long term.

 

I have felt heart palputations, sometimes days after I stopped using it, but thats because I was stupid and didnt respect my limit. Ive also had palpitations from caffeine drinks when studying before I really touched coke.

 

Yes it is stupid, but most people do things that are bad for their health, its hard not to, but theres a difference between using recreationally and becoming an addict.

 

 

 

And that is the complete opposite of the truth. The worst time to get off your head on drugs is when your depressed or going through a rough patch, its one thing that any well adjusted person knows. You dont even enjoy the drug in that state, your basically just trying to shut your mind off instead of turning it on.

 

I hardly said 'ooh you're depressed! Please have a line it will make you feel better!' am I? I'm saying that drugs is the desperate measure some individuals resort to when they are depressed. Surely you knew that? Taking drugs always has a 'worst time'. But on more cases the depression is caused by recreational drug use. Also I thought it was common knowledge that cocaine use does cause much potential danger to your heart. Also remember the tragic story surrounding poor Mark Speight, which started off after his girlfriend died of cocaine.

 

http://www.netdoctor.co.uk/diseases/depression/drugsanddepression_000487.htm

Clearly your not encouraging people to take drugs when theyre depressed.

 

My point was that people who have a means of control and are assured of that, have a pretty open lifestyle with drugs (As in, within the group of friends who approve, feel no shame or have to hide how many drugs they take) can live a normal life as well as a social one.

 

For me, its not as black and white as all of it is 'bad'.

It's time for an intervention.

:thinking:

This thread is Yossarians whole area!

 

Yep! The season has been and gone :nice:

 

I dont do many drugs anymore, alcahol on weekends, quit cigarettes months ago, and I'll have a little bit of drugs if its on offer but I havent actually spent money on them in a while.

 

Weed is still nice here and there.

 

:-) Yossarian had a hugely successful season this year. Not only did he manage to pad out his new student digs with two full jars of liberty caps freshly picked from the English countryside, he also successfully managed his first grow operation this November, providing him another jar of really delicious Ecuadorian cubensis. Will next be growing in January and have my eye on some nice Mexicana.

 

The spiritual and entheogenic importance of the magic mushroom is well documented and beyond exaggeration; They are in no way a recreational drug and should not be treated or regarded as such.

 

If you ARE looking for a recreational trip then LSD is - contrary to popular belief - a much better choice. In my experience LSD is quite artificial and mechanical in tone, in some ways ethereal, compared to Psilocybin’s natural and earthy feel. The experience tends to be more delicate than that of Psilocybin; true immersion is harder to attain and more vulnerable to dissolution at the hands of distraction.

 

LSD seems to lack some, if not all, of the humanist qualities and childlike tranquility for which I so love psilocybin. Shared Psilocybin sessions tend to exhibit less variation in individual experiences than LSD, which makes communication under the influence of Psilocybin more difficult but less necessary. LSD on the other hand produces vastly different individual experiences in any group setting which can be difficult to keep track of and lead to chronic misunderstandings.

 

The most notable thing about LSD use as far as I'm concerned is the somewhat cliquey aspect of the drug; Acid users consider themselves acid people. They look down on the use of other hallucinogens, particularly Psilocybin, as though it is 'below them', they are 'too good for it'. They are without a shadow of a doubt the drug subculture most susceptible to misinformation. And on that note, the following LSD facts are wrong.

 

1) LSD stays in your body/brain/spinal column forever.

It really doesn't.

2) LSD causes flashbacks.

It really doesn't, and anyone who claims they experience flashbacks with any kind of regularity has been grossly misinformed. Worse yet, anyone who claims the ability to induce flashbacks voluntarily is, in short, a pretentious ****.

3) Take LSD more than 7/10/15 times and you're legally insane.

Yossarian's best friend, who is a bit of a self-proclaimed 'acid head', genuinely claimed this with a straight face once; demonstrates a profound misunderstanding of not just the drug itself but basic human psychology as well as the legal system. :rolleyes:

 

It's well documented that acid users have a tendency towards cliquey-ness and exhibitionism, even in The Psychedelic Experience by Timothy Leary, of all places. Yossarian has a bit of apprehension regarding the whole acid scene, because he's seen it turn some of his friends into - not raving lunatics, but - pretentious ******s, who care more about coming across as an 'acid head' than they do about the experience itself and what they can learn and teach from it. Indeed, last week Yossarian was discussing the mushroom experience whilst coming off of the drug with an acid head whos only response to Yossarians revelation that he accidentally miscalculated the dose was "Well at least it wasn't LSD; That shit can really fuck you up boy..." :dozey:

 

Personally, Yossarian has never walked away from an LSD experience feeling the same kind of spiritual and emotional benefits he feels after every mushroom trip. If you're only ever going to try one, ensure it is the latter.

 

Yossarian is going to be writing his dissertation on the validity of spiritual experiences attained through the use of entheogenic drugs, you know; This is his whole area of expertise. :cool:

Clearly your not encouraging people to take drugs when theyre depressed.

 

My point was that people who have a means of control and are assured of that, have a pretty open lifestyle with drugs (As in, within the group of friends who approve, feel no shame or have to hide how many drugs they take) can live a normal life as well as a social one.

 

For me, its not as black and white as all of it is 'bad'.

 

So people who take drugs are assured of a social life? Is that all you take drugs for? To impress friends?

Yossarians mushroom reading list

 

The Book of Chuang Tzu

The Bhagavad Gita

Tao Te Ching, Lao Tzu

The Sufis, Idries Shah

Catch 22, Joseph Heller

The Transformed Mind, His Holiness the Dali Lama

Lolita, Vladimir Nabokov

Notes from Underground, Fyodor Dostoevsky

Concepts of God in Africa, Josh S. Mbiti

Catcher in the Rye, J.D. Salinger

So people who take drugs are assured of a social life? Is that all you take drugs for? To impress friends?

 

Now youre just being an asshole. Or maybe its a natural gift? Are you asking questions that assume the answers? To piss me off?

 

My point was that people who have a means of control and are assured of that, have a pretty open lifestyle with drugs (As in, within the group of friends who approve, feel no shame or have to hide how many drugs they take) can live a normal life as well as a social one.

 

Where did I say you are 'assured' of a social life?

 

To make it as clear as I can without my words being distorted- I have had good, positive experiences on drugs, the same way society finds it acceptable for people to have good experiences on alcahol. Thats it.

 

The picture a lot of people paint is that you cant live a normal life and enjoy drugs when there is a time and place for it, as if anyone who snorts a line is instantly destined to be a gutter junkie.

 

The insinuation that I take drugs for peer pressure (And actually I rarely take them these days), unless you thought I was 12 instead of 22, shows just how naive you are.

Okay I perhaps misread what you were trying to get at there, but it seems that you believe drugs are perfectly legal. You know you can have a good time without drugs, as well as drink. Why do you find the need to use such substances anyway?

Okay I perhaps misread what you were trying to get at there, but it seems that you believe drugs are perfectly legal. You know you can have a good time without drugs, as well as drink. Why do you find the need to use such substances anyway?

 

It is only in the last 50 years, and only in the Western world, that 'drugs' have been rendered illegal. 50-odd years ago I could've bought herb from any fine market in our free country. ;)

 

So you tell me why I should suddenly accept 'drugs' (an extremely misleading blanket term that covers everything from alcohol to heroine regardless of associations between the two, by the by), which have been used religiously and ceremoniously for thousands of years in helping shaman achieve altered states of consciousness, as ILLEGAL, just because white man's daddy government tells me it is so? :\

 

"You can't make NATURE illegal!" Bill Hicks

Okay I perhaps misread what you were trying to get at there, but it seems that you believe drugs are perfectly legal. You know you can have a good time without drugs, as well as drink. Why do you find the need to use such substances anyway?

 

This is where I seem a bit hypocritical.

 

I don't believe drugs should be legal in the society I'm living in. I don't think people are prepared and intelligent enough as a nation to be able to control themselves when legal drugs are available. I do believe its possible to take drugs and still function perfectly well in life, but is it for everyone? Definately not.

 

"have a pretty open lifestyle with drugs (As in, within the group of friends who approve, feel no shame or have to hide how many drugs they take) "

 

What I meant by that in a previous post had nothing to do with taking drugs to gain friends, instead my point is that you should have people around you who you can trust will tell you if you're doing too much. If you started to hide your drug use then that would be the equivilent of an alcaholic drinking alone.

 

But back to the question; why do I feel the need to use such substance?

 

Well why do we do anything thats pointless and harmful? Because it feels good. Its the same principal as why people eat chocolate or put salt on their food, it makes them feel better.

 

I'd go further then to say its selfishness and emotional greed though, drugs can change the way you think and in certain ways bring you closer to others. I have found the most open minded, accepting and understanding people know their way around drugs (and to re-iterate, not necessarily in a way that severely affects their livelihood).

This thread just reminds me of "Trainspotting" which I've watched some days ago......yes it made me cry, but just because those guys were addicted to heroin which has happened in my family as well and where the end was the worst one...:\

 

I don't know....I am quite torn about drugs----when it comes to weed for example I find it ok if you don't exaggerate it....

 

if you are totally addicted to heroin for example and your life is just a big shit and it becomes worse everyday it isn't ok....for sure

It is only in the last 50 years, and only in the Western world, that 'drugs' have been rendered illegal. 50-odd years ago I could've bought herb from any fine market in our free country. ;)

 

So you tell me why I should suddenly accept 'drugs' (an extremely misleading blanket term that covers everything from alcohol to heroine regardless of associations between the two, by the by), which have been used religiously and ceremoniously for thousands of years in helping shaman achieve altered states of consciousness, as ILLEGAL, just because white man's daddy government tells me it is so? :\

 

"You can't make NATURE illegal!" Bill Hicks

 

Yeaaah.....

Sorry to hear that Julia. Ive had friends who went that way.

 

For people who have had family members or friends that end up in such terrible states, I dont think the people trying to support them necessarily have a hatred for 'drugs' as much as a hatred for the addiction, whether its alcahol, gambling, whatever, a person with an addictive nature will look for a way of beating themselves up emotionally and physically. Especially people who come from a decent, respectable background, and make that cross-over into the lifestyle of a hard drug abuser.

 

Its a massive leap if you think about it, to go from recreational drug user in social situations, to waking up on a Tuesday and needing drugs, possibly with new friends who also need it. There's some people who are born into such situations, which is a problem with poverty and society. But there are others who not only let the addiction take over, but want it to take over, and become so addicted that they choose this lifestyle. They more then anyone have a serious mental imbalance.

you're right.

 

I just find it so sad to see that if you have once started it is so hard to get out of it. When I think of my cousin it was exactly that way. She started with drugs because she was in a bad influence circle of friends.....I think she stopped it after some months (some years?) and started again with hard things like heroin when her father died...and I think the fact that she gave birth to a child during that time didn't make things better...uhm well and then she took methadon (spelling?) and died quite suddenly.....I don't know....I find it so hard to think about this happening in my own family....which comes from a better social circle...I do not even want to imagine that my own cousin ended up like that and probably lived a life like those guys in "Trainspotting"....oh shit

 

I think I would have tried weed....but I don't do it, because of the respect I am having for my mum....she is afraid that me and my sister will try it and get into the wrong circles.......I know she doesn't want us to do it so I don't....but I do know as well that people who smoke weed do not do heroin.....definitely not....

 

so I just want to stay away from it....it's fine for me

Of course theres no problem with that, its not as if your missing out on something fantastically life changing, for most people who get into drugs we grow out of it in our 20s.

 

If its an issue or a big deal for you and your family, then not getting involved in any of it is the best idea.

Yeaaah.....

 

Er yeah.

 

I'm not saying opium should be freely sold from chemists across the country; I'm saying that if I should choose to induce a spiritual experience using psychedelic drugs from time to time, who are you to tell me I can't?

you are able to speak proper english...I am impressed

Er yeah.

 

I'm not saying opium should be freely sold from chemists across the country; I'm saying that if I should choose to induce a spiritual experience using psychedelic drugs from time to time, who are you to tell me I can't?

 

Hes an assumptive little prick who barked into this thread with an opinion on something he has no clue about, and has become more quiet with each post, down to the last one which was just one word... So I thought Id answer the question for him as it doesnt appear he'll reply.

I like to think I am not addicted to weed... but truth is.. I've been trying to quit... but I haven't gone a whole month without smoking in about 6 months!! lol I need to stop... I am nearing 30 and it can't be good for me.. but, I dunno....

 

my end is inevitable... lol

 

The only unhealthy thing about marijuana is the price - and that could be remedied with a nice dose of legislation. ;)

 

As for Yossarian, he smokes reefer almost every week without fail, but not every day. If he could afford it he'd have a toke every night before bed though.