I still wonder why people need this brain-melting shit to "feel good".

I still wonder why people need this brain-melting shit to "feel good".

 

Ha. Brilliant post...

I still wonder why people need this brain-melting shit to "feel good".

 

Some people just have things they want to get away from and/or forget, not permanently, just for a while and I guess drugs is what they think can help.

Especially cannabis/weed which can make you just relax and calm down (and a little hungry) .

Drugs can be useful as thinking tools.

Some people just have things they want to get away from and/or forget, not permanently, just for a while and I guess drugs is what they think can help.

Especially cannabis/weed which can make you just relax and calm down (and a little hungry) .

 

I can understand that people who have suffered big disgraces may "escape" they suffering with drugs/alchool, but I still don't think it's the best way to do so.

 

Drugs can be useful as thinking tools.

 

There are less dangerous thinking tools.

I can understand that people who have suffered big disgraces may "escape" they suffering with drugs/alchool, but I still don't think it's the best way to do so.

 

 

 

There are less dangerous thinking tools.

 

I am guessing you have never taken drugs.

Brains are usually quite helpful when you need to think :nod:

 

Srsly I agree with Mrk. No need to get drugs to think. Find a calm place and take deep breaths, listen to music, take a shower, sleep, take a walk...

I am guessing you have never taken drugs.

 

No, and I won't

No, and I won't

 

Well I wasn't forcing you to.

I still maintain that alcohol is the most dangerous drug I've taken.

No, and I won't

 

Then your narrow minded opinion is even more useless to all of us.

 

I find it particularly naive of you to assume that people need drugs to escape dark pasts and terrible times, or are reliant on it to 'feel good' as if not taking them would mean an end to their happiness, it's not like that at all.

I still maintain that alcohol is the most dangerous drug I've taken.

 

Just out of curiosity, in terms of- addiction? Harm caused to others (Violence, car accidents etc)? Mixture of a combination of all things in consideration?

 

I'm not disagreeing by the way.

I'm quite curious (not that I really need to know) about what it's like to take drugs. I never have done but I'd be willing to try it as long as I knew it was safe. I've often heard that listening to music while on drugs is a different experience to just listening to it normally. What's that all about?

All my friends do drugs, mostly weed, two years ago I was quite afraid by what my friends were doing but weed didn't change them or their way to "interact" with me so I got used to it

 

Never did drugs because I don't need to but I think I got "high" twice or more passively

I remember one time after smoking my best friend thought that all the light in the town were giant boobs and we have an audio file of that experience and still find it funny

 

Oh and my friend is thinking of trying to make a cake with marijuana and i think i'm going to eat it

Then your narrow minded opinion is even more useless to all of us.

 

I find it particularly naive of you to assume that people need drugs to escape dark pasts and terrible times, or are reliant on it to 'feel good' as if not taking them would mean an end to their happiness, it's not like that at all.

 

What I meant is that I don't understand why some people do drugs in general when we all know their side effects. Then, I don't want to play the part of the "annoying good guy" that tells other people what to do/not to do and that thinks to be "on the good side", I'm just wondering.

Just out of curiosity, in terms of- addiction? Harm caused to others (Violence, car accidents etc)? Mixture of a combination of all things in consideration?

 

I'm not disagreeing by the way.

 

In terms of being out of control of my body. And therefore an increased chance of causing harm to myself or somebody else.

 

Addiction wise I've not been addicted to anything, though with taking drugs I only ever take them once, apart from weed and alcohol. Weed I have on average once a month and it has been very useful as a thinking tool. Those above seem to have misunderstood my previous posts and presumed I can only 'think' whilst on drugs. This is not true. I am under the influence very, very rarely. Probably less rarely than they get drunk (though of course not necessarily).

 

I've done amphetamine once and got a lot of writing done and watched hd tv for the first time (a few years back now). It was the rainforest version of Planet Earth.

 

I've done acid once, last week. I did two years worth of research before taking the drug (so it was hardly irresponsible) and took it with two others present who were not on acid. It was a very fulfilling experience which i documented on the last page.

 

I'm certainly no expert on drugs, and as you can tell from my post on the last page, I certainly don't believe everyone should try it, but I'm bored of the demonisation of drugs by people who have no idea what it can be like.

 

It can be totally fucked up, but then so can drinking alcohol. It's all about how you do them.

What I meant is that I don't understand why some people do drugs in general when we all know their side effects. Then, I don't want to play the part of the "annoying good guy" that tells other people what to do/not to do and that thinks to be "on the good side", I'm just wondering.

 

I'm guessing you've heard very limited anecdotes about their side effects. The vast majority of drug use has no negative impact, especially when you factor in weed. But all drugs can be misused, just like everything can be. Everything down to donuts.

I just thought I'd share this:

ANNUAL DEATHS (approx.)

Tobacco: 435,000

Poor diet/exercise: 365,000

Alcohol: 85,000

Prescription drugs: 32,000

Motor vehicle crashes: 26,347

Homicide: 20,308

Aspirin: 7,600

Peanuts: 100

Marijuana: 0

What I meant is that I don't understand why some people do drugs in general when we all know their side effects. Then, I don't want to play the part of the "annoying good guy" that tells other people what to do/not to do and that thinks to be "on the good side", I'm just wondering.

 

Laughable. This would be how you ask about something out of a genuine curious interest:

 

I'm quite curious (not that I really need to know) about what it's like to take drugs.

 

And this is how not to do it:

 

I still wonder why people need this brain-melting shit to "feel good".

 

Expect a hostile reaction when you write that it's simply brain-melting shit and write "feel good" in quote marks in a condescending manner despite you having no experience of what it feels like.

 

As for knowing their side effects, well fuck, I've been open to trying drugs for years and I'm still not 100% sure. I know if you inject a load of heroin over a long period of time your veins will seize up, I know if you take grams of cocaine daily over a lengthy period of time then your septum will fall out, and if you trip on LSD for about half your free time then over the course of many years you'll start getting flashbacks, however I can't imagine any of those possibilities happening to me. So we all try them not knowing exactly what a line of coke will do, or an ecstasy pill, because realistically it won't do much unless you get absolutely hooked on them.

 

As for James, it depends what drug.

 

In terms of being out of control of my body. And therefore an increased chance of causing harm to myself or somebody else.

 

Addiction wise I've not been addicted to anything, though with taking drugs I only ever take them once, apart from weed and alcohol. Weed I have on average once a month and it has been very useful as a thinking tool. Those above seem to have misunderstood my previous posts and presumed I can only 'think' whilst on drugs. This is not true. I am under the influence very, very rarely. Probably less rarely than they get drunk (though of course not necessarily).

 

I've done amphetamine once and got a lot of writing done and watched hd tv for the first time (a few years back now). It was the rainforest version of Planet Earth.

 

I've done acid once, last week. I did two years worth of research before taking the drug (so it was hardly irresponsible) and took it with two others present who were not on acid. It was a very fulfilling experience which i documented on the last page.

 

I'm certainly no expert on drugs, and as you can tell from my post on the last page, I certainly don't believe everyone should try it, but I'm bored of the demonisation of drugs by people who have no idea what it can be like.

 

It can be totally fucked up, but then so can drinking alcohol. It's all about how you do them.

 

Ah, you meant for you on a personal level, thought you might have meant both for you and as you see society as a whole.

Well, it's not only about death, it's also about having permanent damage.

Anyway, what does everybody think about anti-drug campaigns? I've heard people saying it's the government brainwashing us making us think drugs are dangerous or other similar weird stuff, which I obviously don't believe

I was talking on a personal level, yes. Between weed and alcohol though, I'm quite sure that on a social level alcohol is more dangerous. But once again, you'd hope people wouldn't abuse whatever substance they were on (if we are talking about social interests - I'm not against people being drunk).

Well, it's not only about death, it's also about having permanent damage.

Anyway, what does everybody think about anti-drug campaigns? I've heard people saying it's the government brainwashing us making us think drugs are dangerous or other similar weird stuff, which I obviously don't believe

 

Considering how widely used drugs are (if we take it from tobacco through to heroin) and how many deaths there actually are it's pretty negligible. You've also got to take into account that many people only do a drug once or a handful of times. The vast majority of people who try a drug do not become addicts. With addicts you are talking about the same as alcoholics. Everyone who drinks alcohol is not an alcoholic. Admittedly you are more likely to get addicted to heroin than a bottle of beer, but I've at no point defended a drug like heroin.

 

The war on drugs has failed. This has been admitted by the very people who have run it for several decades. Science is pretty clear of what is dangerous, and it's surprising when you stick alcohol and tobacco in there (but of course, two wrongs don't make a right, so just because alcohol is allowed doesn't mean something else should be).

 

All civilisations have drugs. All of them. From tribes, to America, to Iraq. They have been used by people throughout time. There is a reason for this. In no way do I believe they are for everyone, however.

As for James, it depends what drug.

 

Weed, I guess, as that's the one that seems most readily available and widely used. (apart from alcohol of course)

Well, it's not only about death, it's also about having permanent damage.

 

If you just tried to think it through a bit, for every death down to alcohol is multiple more lives permanently affected, either through health issues like liver failure, domestic abuse/unstable family life, debts, etc. For every death down to cocaine overdose is also multiple amounts of other lives where people have cocaine problems and don't necessarily die but struggle with it for their lives.

 

So the amount of deaths attributed to one problem is roughly going to affect the amount of permanent damage across the board with all problems, it's not like every person who becomes an alcoholic or smokes tobacco just dies, and all the smackheads and coke addicts are getting away with it.

 

Anyway, what does everybody think about anti-drug campaigns? I've heard people saying it's the government brainwashing us making us think drugs are dangerous or other similar weird stuff, which I obviously don't believe

 

To an extent, things do get overblown. Definitely in the 90s when ecstasy and raves became popular media could use it as a shock and deterrent tactic towards this sub-culture, whereas 10-15 years later suddenly ecstasy, which was more popular then ever, suddenly wasn't making the news headlines. There's a lot more to it then to say the government were brainwashing people with regards to drugs, because I don't see why they would need to, in the grand scale of things it's pretty irrelevant.

 

There are certainly many anti-drug campaigns that are an outreach of support and that's definitely necessary for any problem in society nomatter how small, so I wouldn't blanket all anti-drug campaigns under this idea.

 

I was talking on a personal level, yes. Between weed and alcohol though, I'm quite sure that on a social level alcohol is more dangerous. But once again, you'd hope people wouldn't abuse whatever substance they were on (if we are talking about social interests - I'm not against people being drunk).

 

I do think in terms of wasting your life away, at least being an alcoholic is completely unacceptable, if someone wanted to drink all day their friends would think it's weird as fuck and would discourage it, however smoking weed all day is a different story but you would get just as little done.

DP