^ Too conspicuous! :P

i admit that there's really nothing much one can do in this situation...the other passengers on the bus who saw what i saw were like "what!?" but the bottom line is that there was nothing they could do about it.

 

i don't like the smell of weed though...

 

You can get weed-flavoured incense. Never seen the sense of that one myself: if you like the smell, smoke it.

Only alcohol, that's all.

I feel like I must have already replied in this thread... but seems not.

 

Weed and MDMA

 

MDMA by far the funniest. I pretty much loved everyone I met, kissed two randomers including a girl. Only thing was I could not sleep at all... my heart was going a million miles an hour.

 

MDMA by far the funniest. I pretty much loved everyone I met, kissed two randomers including a girl.

 

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b-XhyLqC344]Nice - YouTube[/ame]

I feel like I must have already replied in this thread... but seems not.

 

Weed and MDMA

 

MDMA by far the funniest. I pretty much loved everyone I met, kissed two randomers including a girl. Only thing was I could not sleep at all... my heart was going a million miles an hour.

In other words - it makes you liberal.

Taking drugs does not make you liberal, the same as being against drugs is not a more conservative view to take. You need to stop generalising against groups of people, and open your eyes to the idiosyncrasies within these groups.

 

And someone, I think, should perhaps point out to the younger members of this forum that just because older members of this forum take drugs and get drunk, it doesn't mean you have to. "Drugs and alcohol" isn't written on a bar that you have to jump over, it's something that you should only do if you feel that's what's right for you.

 

I'm not trying to patronise anyone, but it's not something that you should ever feel pressured to do, especially via internet forums. Not that I'm saying anyone's pressuring anyone. Just saying as a disclaimer more than anything.

I came to a realisation last week that you will never be able to explain drug use in a positive way to some people. I was with a few friends and we rolled quite a few joints and had them in the early hours at various places with nice views in my friends town. We always make sure never to smoke anywhere we are likely to crash (NEVER EVER sat down in front of a tv). We use it as a thinking and social tool and it leads to some pretty awesome conversations. Last week we spoke of feminism, population and sociological issues at advanced levels and it's the last few years of me doing this that have really shaped me. If I had hung out with other people I have met in the past (for example people I know due to geographical proximity) I would have been very different. My friends have taught me so much (there's about four of us and we are all quite well read and bring different things to the conversations - I have two friends who are very big on science and can blow my mind explaining the complexities of some things. My other friend often plays a bit of a devil's advocate kind of role and is a bit of an ideas guy and always has an interesting perspective to place on things) and I like to think I have taught them things too.

 

Had I simply hung out with those other friends (who are far more juvenile, and quite frankly, in my opinion shit people - sexist, homophobic, just drink all the time and never aspire to anything [i'm talking about aspire to something within themselves, not job wise. They don't seem to want to further themselves as people]) I would have found my self dumbing down, as I have done in the past when hanging out with them because it becomes a chore to correct them even within my own head on all their misconceptions.

 

Anyway, because I met my closest friends at college and was able to keep in contact with them after moving apart in the uni days, it has meant that I've been able to continue what I see as an important part of my growth. My parents like talking to me and are interested in what I have to say but if I was to tell them some of these perspectives have come from realisations from evenings under the influence of weed. I'm not saying you need the weed to talk to people, but when we do smoke weed it's almost a ritual in that we go to secluded areas, away from contact with others. It's a peaceful place and we have our own space to talk. And with the help of weed I feel we go more into detail in the discussions than we might do if we were sober.

 

Anyway, I realised I could never tell this to my parents, and that's sad. All they'd see would be some guys doing something illegal, creeping around in the early hours where it's quite dark and cold, smoking drugs. The war on drugs has worked too well on them. They are petrified of the stuff (which is fair enough to be against drugs, but you have to have some kind of perspective on these things in terms of not all drugs are the same and you're not gonna become some junky as soon as you smoke one spliff) and will have no positives said about any drugs.

 

I just find it really weird that I'll never be able to acknowledge this minor thing I sometimes do which has helped me in some ways. The irony being I'm trying to go the year drinking as little as possible, only drinking on special occasions and not actually being drunk at any point (so far I had a couple of glasses of wine in March for my anniversary with my girlfriend, and also for my birthday late April). If I was to see them whilst high though I would automatically say i was drunk if questioned. They know I have given up alcohol pretty much all together but I'm willing to let them think I've decided to get drunk on some random night rather than just say I'm a little high. Given alcohol (for me and for many I imagine) is such an unproductive drug, I'd be happy identifying myself with that rather than say the not awful truth. It's just so stupid that it's a no go for some people in terms of acceptance.

 

Anyway, I can't be bothered reading that back. It's a bit all over the place but I hope you get my point.

Ha, I said anyway too much.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/may/25/the-wire-creator-us-drug-laws

^ Interesting, I can see where he's coming from. Even putting races and classes aside a lot of 20-somethings and people in my high school only care about drug issues because they want weed legalized and when that happens they will probably care much less, if at all, about the other drug issues.

 

On a less serious note

 

i would like to weed sometime

let's weed d00d

meth crystal. but it was long time ago. 6 cans of budweiser would fit me for now

What is it like? It's one of those drugs I'd never take, a combination of the way it is portrayed in the media and also the addictive nature it has.

 

I've just started reading Professor David Nutt's Drugs Without The Hot Air: Minimising The Harms of Legal and Illegal Drugs. For those who don't know, Nutt was a government advisor on drugs who was sacked for discussing drugs in a scientific manner and not demonising them.

I could never imagine doing meth or any major drug.

I went through a stage of having an interest in taking heroin as a one off (not injected) but it just wasn't worth it. Both the potential damage and the difficulty of getting it, then the addiction worry. My sister smoked heroin once (and once only) and liked it, but spoke of how addictive it was. In the end I just didn't see any form of benefit (say on a par with acid and the journey you go on with that, or marijuana as a thinking tool) that made it worth it.

 

So yeah, went for acid and was happy with my choice. I wouldn't specifically recommend it for anybody else though.

What's acid like? I'm worried with drugs like those I'd kill myself. I refused to take it with my friends, I knew they wouldn't watch me well enough.

I'll link you to my experience in a second, but if you aren't sure and have any worries about it certainly don't do it.

Here you go Nick:

 

http://www.coldplaying.com/forum/showpost.php?p=5528838&postcount=478

That sounds very interesting, actually fun. But, I know myself well enough not to.

I wouldn't have done it in the past but I've changed a lot over the last few years. Ideally people would be fine, and if so, I'd recommend it to everybody. But that isn't the case. Not to mention there can be underlying issues that people aren't aware of that can be triggered. It's all about factoring the risks (mental, physical and legality), and that's down to the individual.

 

It was fun. The best thing I've ever done I'd say.

Y'know whats kinda shit about acid though, you never truly remember what it was like being on it, and it doesn't take much time to forget. I took it regularly up until about 4 years ago (Though no reason why I stopped, you just get older I guess, and I'd do it again) and only now have a vague recollection of the beauty of it, and can remember things that happened but can't see them in front of me.

 

But I suppose what else can you expect.

Indeed. It's part of the reason why I've written down some of my experiences in this thread. Good old posterity. Obviously it won't be left on here forever.

 

The book by Nutt is very good so far. It's talking about how natural it is for humans to drugs given our evolution. The fact we have developed positive experiences from these drugs (which are supposed to be a poison developed by a plant) shows that we have been doing it long before we were human. Originally we would have had negative effects from them, but we must have taken some positives from them in order to continue, and these positives have been improved over thousands of years as we evolved. Then with our experimental nature we have learned to access the drugs in different ways. Whether it's smoking, utilising of coffee beans, brewing, synthesising, injecting, we've found ways to maximise the pleasure. Obviously this has affected the potency and dependency levels though. But the actual intake of drugs is clearly part of the human biology given our developed reactions.

David Nutt? I don't know of his book, only vaguely remember what he was sacked for and have seen him on TV a few times since.

That's the guy. No idea what he's like as a person but his book is interesting. I don't agree with some of his opinions, but the science of the book is there to see.

Here he is in discussion: http://www.londonreal.tv/episodes/professor-david-nutt-drug-science/

 

(ignore the first 8 minutes or so of the build up. bit annoying)