September 17, 200619 yr We were talking about Jews, # 5.1–6.0 million Jews, including 3.0–3.5 million Polish Jews[8] # 1.8 –1.9 million non-Jewish Poles (includes all those killed in executions or those that died in prisons, labor, and concentration camps, as well as civilians killed in the 1939 invasion and the 1944 Warsaw Uprising)[9] # 500,000–1.2 million Serbs killed by Croat Nazis # 200,000–800,000 Roma & Sinti # 200,000–300,000 people with disabilities # 80,000–200,000 Freemasons [10] # 100,000 communists # 10,000–25,000 homosexual men # 2,500-5,000 Jehovah's Witnesses http://encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com/holocaust Please read it. -How could anyone claim with a straight face that the Holocaust never happened? It makes about as much sense as claiming that the Rape of Nanking never happened, or defending Creationism. I think you're wasting your breath...................... ;)
September 17, 200619 yr We were talking about Jews, # 5.1–6.0 million Jews, including 3.0–3.5 million Polish Jews[8] # 1.8 –1.9 million non-Jewish Poles (includes all those killed in executions or those that died in prisons, labor, and concentration camps, as well as civilians killed in the 1939 invasion and the 1944 Warsaw Uprising)[9] # 500,000–1.2 million Serbs killed by Croat Nazis # 200,000–800,000 Roma & Sinti # 200,000–300,000 people with disabilities # 80,000–200,000 Freemasons [10] # 100,000 communists # 10,000–25,000 homosexual men # 2,500-5,000 Jehovah's Witnesses http://encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com/holocaust Please read it. -How could anyone claim with a straight face that the Holocaust never happened? It makes about as much sense as claiming that the Rape of Nanking never happened, or defending Creationism. I think you said that: Lol, actually he never said the holocaust never happened but that Hitler didnt know about it. You said Hitler didn't know about the Holocaust,you didn't said Jews. Am I wrong?
September 17, 200619 yr She agreed to this How could anyone claim with a straight face that the Holocaust never happened? It makes about as much sense as claiming that the Rape of Nanking never happened, or defending Creationism.
September 17, 200619 yr WHAT??? I never said Hitler didnt know, thats what David Irving said. I don't talk about that When I said that the 11 millions died in Holocaust,you said. 11 million?? where did you get that from?
September 17, 200619 yr She agreed to this How could anyone claim with a straight face that the Holocaust never happened? It makes about as much sense as claiming that the Rape of Nanking never happened, or defending Creationism. Exactly. And as for Irving, he clearly didn't read 'Mein Kampf', or chose to re-interpret it...Hitler not only knew, he outlined large chunks of the plan in 1925. Interesting to note that he wrote a large part of the book in an assylum.
September 17, 200619 yr Exactly. And as for Irving, he clearly didn't read 'Mein Kampf', or chose to re-interpret it...Hitler not only knew, he outlined large chunks of the plan in 1925. Interesting to note that he wrote a large part of the book in an assylum. so,David Irving get jailed because he said that Hitler didn't know about the Holocaust?
September 17, 200619 yr so' date='David Irving get jailed because he said that Hitler didn't know about the Holocaust?[/quote'] To be honest, I haven't read everything here yet. I'm just adding 2 cents. If that's what Irving said, I think he should be jailed, but there is such a thing as freedom of speech, so even though I disagree with him, he can say whatever he wants.
September 17, 200619 yr We were talking about Jews, # 5.1–6.0 million Jews, including 3.0–3.5 million Polish Jews[8] # 1.8 –1.9 million non-Jewish Poles (includes all those killed in executions or those that died in prisons, labor, and concentration camps, as well as civilians killed in the 1939 invasion and the 1944 Warsaw Uprising)[9] # 500,000–1.2 million Serbs killed by Croat Nazis # 200,000–800,000 Roma & Sinti # 200,000–300,000 people with disabilities # 80,000–200,000 Freemasons [10] # 100,000 communists # 10,000–25,000 homosexual men # 2,500-5,000 Jehovah's Witnesses http://encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com/holocaust Please read it. -How could anyone claim with a straight face that the Holocaust never happened? It makes about as much sense as claiming that the Rape of Nanking never happened, or defending Creationism. Read the post number 118 and 119 again
September 17, 200619 yr To be honest' date=' I haven't read everything here yet. I'm just adding 2 cents. If that's what Irving said, I think he should be jailed, but there is such a thing as freedom of speech, so even though I disagree with him, he can say whatever he wants.[/quote'] As what General Smut saying,that Irving didn't denied the Holocaust he just said that Hitler wasn't know about it
September 17, 200619 yr As what General Smut saying' date='that Irving didn't denied the Holocaust he just said that Hitler wasn't know about it[/quote'] Well, as far as that part goes, I can say without a doubt He knew. As I said, he wrote about it as far back as 1925.
September 17, 200619 yr Its all in that link i gave you. read it If you make more focus on what you read about the Holocaust,you will find many contraries things.Just like what you do right now
September 17, 200619 yr Well' date=' as far as that part goes, I can say without a doubt He knew. As I said, he wrote about it as far back as 1925.[/quote'] I don't talk if Hitler was know that or not I talking about,as long as Irving didn't denying the Holocaust,so why he put in jail and they called him anti-semetic
September 17, 200619 yr If you stopped hating Jews' date=' youd realise your wrong.[/quote'] No friend,I would like to told you that's as long as you put your head in the sand and afraid to know the truth and you ego ban you to admit that you was wrong.You will never find the peace with yourself
September 17, 200619 yr Since your too lazy to click a link Irving was arrested by the Austrian police in the southern state of Styria on 11 November 2005, under a warrant issued in 1989. Irving knew that he was banned from Austria, in the words of his partner, Bente Hogh: "He was not jailed just for his views but because he's banned from Austria and still went. David doesn't take advice from anyone. He thought it was a bit of fun, to provoke a little bit."[19]
September 17, 200619 yr Since your too lazy to click a link Irving was arrested by the Austrian police in the southern state of Styria on 11 November 2005, under a warrant issued in 1989. Irving knew that he was banned from Austria, in the words of his partner, Bente Hogh: "He was not jailed just for his views but because he's banned from Austria and still went. David doesn't take advice from anyone. He thought it was a bit of fun, to provoke a little bit."[19] Why they banned him? your statment said [ He was not jailed just for his views ] and what also
September 17, 200619 yr My personal opinion only...but I believe that we need to learn from the past and to move forward. People need to relearn tolerance and understanding and forgiveness. Why carry forward the sins of the fathers, this only perpetuates the crimes and places emphasis on them so that others of weaker minds may use them as precedents to future events. We can only control what we do ourselves and we need to love more and hate less. It saddens me that we as humans still have not learned that hatred breeds contempt and that contempt breeds every vile thing in this world. All murders for power or religious beliefs are simply smokescreens for deeper underlying flaws in the human pysche. Not to say that we should forget the past but we do need to move forward to change what is wrong now in this world so our children wont have to go through what those in the past have.
September 17, 200619 yr Staying away from such a issue... I can understand though why people might want to say it never happend... I know it did though
September 18, 200619 yr Author No friend' date='I would like to told you that's as long as you put your head in the sand and afraid to know the truth and you ego ban you to admit that you was wrong.You will never find the peace with yourself[/quote'] i think you can hardly talk maldini. hitler definetly knew about the holocaust, he created the nuremburg laws, made the jews wesar stars and eventually put them in the ghettos, so unless a massive collaboration occured behind hitlers back, costing his economy thousands of dollars to implement th final solution, it is impossible to say that he was oblivious to it all. maldini i would really like to know about how much you know about the holocaust, it seems to be that you only read the anti-jew side of the argument, that denys all existence, but you know none of the specifics, never seen the camps, gone to the ghettos or read reputable sources of history. david irving has never been anything more than a biggot with a university degree. and btw the six million figure is not established from those who died in the camps. Hundreds of thousands of jews died in the ghettos living in conditions that were not suitable enough to even keep animals. maybe you should see the movie 'The Pianist' - its an account of the life in poland before and during the war for jews and is a true story straight from the lips of Vladislow Spillman, a famous jewish concert pianist and composer.
September 18, 200619 yr i think you can hardly talk maldini. hitler definetly knew about the holocaust, he created the nuremburg laws, made the jews wesar stars and eventually put them in the ghettos, so unless a massive collaboration occured behind hitlers back, costing his economy thousands of dollars to implement th final solution, it is impossible to say that he was oblivious to it all. maldini i would really like to know about how much you know about the holocaust, it seems to be that you only read the anti-jew side of the argument, that denys all existence, but you know none of the specifics, never seen the camps, gone to the ghettos or read reputable sources of history. david irving has never been anything more than a biggot with a university degree. and btw the six million figure is not established from those who died in the camps. Hundreds of thousands of jews died in the ghettos living in conditions that were not suitable enough to even keep animals. maybe you should see the movie 'The Pianist' - its an account of the life in poland before and during the war for jews and is a true story straight from the lips of Vladislow Spillman, a famous jewish concert pianist and composer. That was a very powerful and moving film. It's incredible what that guy managed to live through.
September 20, 200619 yr at first, i confess...this thread is full of vocabs i never heard of so i dont dare to post anything now i'm with my dictionary so yes, i against ppl who try to forget the past they cant just forget the mistake ppl make in the history and do it like nothing happens ppl die for a reason
September 24, 200619 yr well, two weeks ago i went out with my RE class and we visited several monuments tributed to the jewish victims of the holocaust. it was so distrubing to get to know all that stuff that happened. of course i knew a lot before that, but when you're standing right in front of that memorial thing and someone's telling you all those stories... yeah, i did have to cry. it was horrible. (it was a looooong wall with little stones in it. and on every single stone was a name. it's a monument for all the citizens of frankfurt that died during world war I) we went to see the old ghetto of frankfurt and our teacher told us under which terrible conditions the jews lived there. i couldn't speak a single word. i cannot believe how a whole generation could be that cruel and do such things. you know... i'm from germany... and this makes everything a lot harder because people always have those bad things in the back of their minds. that's why i'm sometimes ashamed of being german although we don't have anything to do with that anymore. it's just the fact that i am german and that my anscestore probably didn't do anything to help others. gaaah, we're watching that film in RE class. it's about a jewish boy (fuck. can't remember his name anymore. let's call him. erm... Bonnet) in france who's being hidden in a catholic school. however. one day some kinda general interrupts a lesson and asks for the jewish boy. nobody said a word because nobody knew he was jewish except his best friend. and when that best friend just turned around for a second and looked at him, the general recognised it and walked right up to Bonnet. they looked at each other for seconds and Bonnet started packing his things. he shook hands with some of his class mates and also with his best friend when he was dragged away by that general. they shut down the school. i don't know if i sound stupid, but that scene was extremely sad. i cried. oh man. i cried like ... someone died. well, it was the end of the lesson and that's why i don't know how the movie continues. however. i think it's fucking retarted to joke about jews and hitler (right, Prince Harry?). germans cannot laugh about that because we're responsable for what happenend. we don't want to deny it and we're very sensetive when it comes to the holocaust. so, sign me up for that one.
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